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Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Simple questions
« Reply #30 on: March 23, 2016, 08:20:20 AM »

Related to the above post: Sonoluminescence - Nuclear Fusion or Sonoluminescence

Its actually called : Sonoluminescence

I am sorry, i still cant put my hands on this video...

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« Reply #31 on: March 23, 2016, 01:48:32 PM »
Actually, Chris, cavitation is an area of energy production I want to explore. Although NOT OU, that does not matter. OU does not exist in a closed system.

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Re: Simple questions
« Reply #32 on: March 23, 2016, 09:55:23 PM »

Actually, Chris, cavitation is an area of energy production I want to explore. Although NOT OU, that does not matter. OU does not exist in a closed system.


Hi MemoryMan - Yes, I agree.

Closed Systems do not allow Over-Unity, because of the "First Law of Thermodynamics" however, Open Systems can show an excess in total EnergyCost.

Mabe you did not watch the video I provided? It is stated many times that that System was measured to show excess Energy Output.

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Re: Simple questions
« Reply #32 on: March 23, 2016, 09:55:23 PM »
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Re: Simple questions
« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2016, 04:10:16 PM »
Lol. Ok, so this isn't a "Simple Question", you all agree to disagree on the simplest of parameters, equations and logic. Let's see if we can agree on this?
2+2=?
Or
1.61803 or .61803 = ?
By the way, I love this site
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Re: Simple questions
« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2016, 05:08:32 PM »
in an open system, by definition, energy can enter and be added to the pre-existing energy. I don't see how that applies to flywheels.
Also look up Nanospire.

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Re: Simple questions
« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2016, 09:04:20 PM »
There is no such thing as Over Unity.

What you have when you "see" something is only until the unknown interaction is identified and calculated,, then the energy window is expanded to include the "new" criteria and all is back to a conservative energy balance.

This does not mean that you as the operator can not get more out than what you as the operator put in.


Perfect!  I have been trying to explain this to folks for years...all they would do is argue.


The way you have stated it is crystal clear.  Outstanding job Sir.


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Re: Simple questions
« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2016, 09:37:40 PM »
There is no such thing as Over Unity.

What you have when you "see" something is only until the unknown interaction is identified and calculated,, then the energy window is expanded to include the "new" criteria and all is back to a conservative energy balance.

This does not mean that you as the operator can not get more out than what you as the operator put in.



The Definition of: Unity

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Electricity

The energy unit used for everyday electricity, particularly for utility bills, is the kilowatt-hour (kWh); one kWh is equivalent to 3.6×106 J  (3600 kJ or 3.6 MJ). Electricity usage is often given in units of kilowatt-hours per year (kWh/yr). This is actually a measurement of average power consumption, i.e., the average rate at which energy is transferred.


Interestingly and expectedly, searching Wikipedia for Overunity redirects to Perpetual Motion...

Yet, if one searches YouTune for Perpetual motion, one striking example is displayed: Perpetual motion machine

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Perpetual motion is motion of bodies that continues indefinitely. This is impossible because of friction and other energy-dissipating processes.[2][3][4] A perpetual motion machine is a hypothetical machine that can do work indefinitely without an energy source. This kind of machine is impossible, as it would violate the first or second law of thermodynamics.[3][4][5]


Quite Obviously, this machine, the above Perpetual motion machine works, it certainly is not Impossible as is stated!!!


The Atom is perhaps the best example of a Machine that has been in motion for all of time, since the Big Bang, when mysteriously, all of Matter sprang into existance from nothing! This violating nearly all the Laws of Physics, especially the one!!!


So, back on track, the Term Over-Unity is terribly defined!!!

But everyone has its definition as: "More Energy Output than You have to Input" - Where Unity is all the Energy You put in, You get out.

Which is perfectly possible, and certainly not Impossible!!!


So Kiddies, it really is time to move on, out of your Caveman Science Classes, into Real Science, where Logic and Common-Sense prevail over Belief!!!


Continuing to completely incorrectly use two totally different definitions for the same thing is Bad Science.




Unit/Unity/Overunity has absolutely nothing to do with Creating Energy!!!





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Re: Simple questions
« Reply #37 on: March 24, 2016, 10:27:16 PM »


I think it is just not understood when talking about the conversation of energy.






Again Webby1 - Unit/Unity/OverUnity has absolutely nothing to with the Creation of Energy!!!



The Big Bang did that!!!



Some very poorly educated High School Science Teacher has made a Blunder that has stuck with us, interpolating Energy Creation with Over-Unity, a most unprofessional mistake!!!

Again, Unit/Unity/OverUnity and the Creation of Energy are totally different things, not to be confused!!!


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Re: Simple questions
« Reply #38 on: March 24, 2016, 10:45:24 PM »


Into an Electrical System:


If we put One Unit into the System...


But we get 10 Units Out of the System...


We have Over-Unity by its very definition:


Quote from: Wikipedia

Electricity

The energy unit used for everyday electricity, particularly for utility bills, is the kilowatt-hour (kWh); one kWh is equivalent to 3.6×106 J  (3600 kJ or 3.6 MJ). Electricity usage is often given in units of kilowatt-hours per year (kWh/yr). This is actually a measurement of average power consumption, i.e., the average rate at which energy is transferred.



Accounting for, Energy Input, into the System and counting this as part of Your Input energy is just nonsense!

Energy Inputs that is not Your Input, is not of any cost to you and should not be counted as part of Your Input Math. Period!!!

EEnvironmental = EOutput - EInput


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Re: Simple questions
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Re: Simple questions
« Reply #39 on: March 24, 2016, 10:56:03 PM »
There is no such thing as Over Unity.

What you have when you "see" something is only until the unknown interaction is identified and calculated,, then the energy window is expanded to include the "new" criteria and all is back to a conservative energy balance.

This does not mean that you as the operator can not get more out than what you as the operator put in.

I cant totally agree. Ive been down that road you are talking about many times.  But because you have not encountered OU, then a better statement would be, "Not I nor anyone I know have experienced OU yet" Yet is the key word.

A bunch of people say there is no conspiracy of free energy. And if they really have not any knowledge as to whether there are higher ups that try to prevent OU from getting to the masses, then I would direct them to J P Morgans quote to his assistant. It went something like this... "If we build it and anyone can get the electricity for free, then how do I make money on that?", referring to Teslas transmission of power power scheme. That was when he cut off Teslas funding.  And the tower was destroyed.

Look at the GMO food fights.  Look deep into it all and you will find that GMO testing is very sparse and fraudulent. Yet anyone that wants to produce Organic foods have to pay high dollars just to put the USDA ORGANIC label on their products or else they cannot claim it to be organic. and are rigorously harassed about their products, making it way more expensive for the consumer. Yet the GMO gets a free pass. Doesnt make sense. if you look deep into it, they want to destroy all of the natural food sources and replace them with modified versions. And it is as simple as planting a field of gmo next to an organic farmer. When the gmo starts mixing with the organics, the gmo gestapo sues the organic farmer for growing their gmo product without paying for it and makes them destroy all their crops and seed lots. 
There is high cause to believe there is something wrong there. And you will never know unless you look hard enough. Its a big sham. They can patent the gmo but not nature. So if they get rid of nature, then they own it all. And they own you. ;)

See there is a difference between how it goes about with keeping free energy under wraps and the "organic foods are inferior to GMO" deal. The organic, natural food, is and has been out there forever. Cant hide it. Yet. Cant hunt down every organic farm at once and just kill it all off completely. There is too much knowledge of it out there. So propaganda seeps in and little by little convincing all the world that gmos are better than nature. And man, there is a lot of resistance. ;) But OU. Being it would seem that it is non existent, it seems like an easier task to have trolls and shills to take care of the once in a while geniuses out there that come up with something.

I read an article yesterday about how the FDA wants "Stronger Warnings" on certain prescription drugs. Why is that? Possibility of serious injury or death? Well then thats what they should do with guns then. Instead of trying to take them in every way possible, why not just put a 'warning label' on the guns, seeing as they believe it is so effective in saving lives. ::) ::) ::)

Its like this.....

If you say right now that OU does not exist beyond the shadow of a doubt, then what would your opinion be if one day you do experience OU? Would you still stand by your previous statement that it still does not exist? ???

So its best to say you dont know yet rather than stating a 'hypothetical opinion' as fact.  Dont ya think? ;)

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Re: Simple questions
« Reply #40 on: March 24, 2016, 11:40:17 PM »
Assumptions :)

Free,, that does not make good business BUT charging for the delivery of "free" is a good business model since "free" does not cost anything :)

Chris,,

1 unit in and 11 units out means that 11 units went in but only 1 from you,, find the other 10 units and how they came to enter and then you will count 11 units in for 11 units out.




Webby1 - Absolutely no Assumptions on my part, its all hard, backed up, with references, real Science, proveable every day of the week!

Surely this is an assumption on your part however, why would anyone be in the "Business" of selling themself short on Energy? Did the 10 Parts "Cost" You anything?

Absolutely not!!! Units of Energy were provided to You freely!

Thus, these Free Units of Energy can not be counted for in the Cost of Your Input.

Its really simple, and you are over complicating for the sake of saving face, also known as Back Pedling.


P.S: Please read my posts, you have stated the blatantly obvious... I reiterate again for your benifet:


Accounting for, Energy Input, into the System and counting this as part of Your Input energy is just nonsense!

Energy Inputs that is not Your Input, is not of any cost to you and should not be counted as part of Your Input Math. Period!!!

EEnvironmental = EOutput - EInput



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Re: Simple questions
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« Reply #41 on: March 25, 2016, 12:29:34 AM »
Assumptions :)

Free,, that does not make good business BUT charging for the delivery of "free" is a good business model since "free" does not cost anything :)

Chris,,

1 unit in and 11 units out means that 11 units went in but only 1 from you,, find the other 10 units and how they came to enter and then you will count 11 units in for 11 units out.




Also, this is incorrect, you are talking about two different things.

You are talking about total Energy into the System, lets define this as ETotal - Total Units Into a System.

We are talking about the Energy You have to put Into a System, we can define this as: ECost - the Units You you put Into the System.

and  EEnvironmental - Environmental Units that the Environment puts into a System.

Thus:
ECost + EEnvironmental = ETotal <<<--- the total Energy input to a System

and:
EEnvironmental = EOutput - EInput <<<--- The Environmental Energy Input to a System (Energy Losses not included here for simplicity)

However:
ECost + EEnvironmental - ELosses = EOutput <<<--- the total Energy output of a System

If it does not Cost you anything then its Free - Are we agreed on this?

Total Energy Into a System and what You put into a System can be very different.

Example:

You go to the Grocery Store, get 10 Dollars of Groceries, spend 1 Dollar to enter a Competition, at the Checkout you find that you Win 1000 Dollars of free Groceries!!!

Did the 1000 Dollars of Free Groceries Cost you anything?

Well actually, it cost you 1 Unit or Dollar for 1000 Units or Dollars.

You have Over-Unity (More Units (Dollars worth of Groceries) than you started with), 1011 Dollars, or Units of Groceries for only 11 Units or Dollars.


You are confused with Total Energy and the Cost Energy into a System.

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Re: Simple questions
« Reply #42 on: March 25, 2016, 01:43:36 AM »
Chris,

My post to you was after your name.

Energy does not care what or who puts it into the system when you are dealing with the energy balance.

Energy is a tool, it is not a real thing,, Energy is the yardstick we use for comparison.

So,, when you identify the 10 units that YOU did not put in, AND where they came from AND how they entered,, now COE is happy,, that is all there is to it.

When you have the 11 units out for your 1 unit in,, what physics will tell you is that there is something, somewhere, making a deposit for you,, the next job is to find it, understand it and then maximize the use of such a thing.

In my sim that is running with 125% output to input,, I needed to find, for myself, what and how that was happening,, I am not in any way saying that it can not happen, only that when it is seen,,, then it needs to be understood and if possible exploited to its full extent.


Hi Webby, yes I mostly agree with this post. What you are terming as "something, somewhere, making a deposit for you" is what I have termed as EEnvironmental

However, you did say it was not possible:


There is no such thing as Over Unity.



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« Reply #43 on: March 25, 2016, 02:02:51 AM »
Webby is 100% correct.

Take solar cells.  If you gave one to a guy that had no idea what they were, and he put one in the sun and measured 6 volts/300mA, he would claim overunity as he had not put anything into this circuit but was getting all of this output.

Then, as Webby said so eloquently, someone explains to this guy that the sun is putting out all of this energy, and his cell is only 9% efficient, and if you add up the sun's input, minus the losses...guess what?  It equals the output of his cell.  So, now that this guy knows this...no overunity...just unity as the laws of thermodynamics dictate.

The above is a simplistic example yet it applies to ANY situation you can come up with concerning an "unknown" energy source.  It has nothing to do with believing in the impossible, or saying..."as far as we know"...it is just simple physics with some semantics tossed in.

The energy comes from somewhere...once you know where...it is no longer overunity.

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« Reply #44 on: March 25, 2016, 02:12:05 AM »
  Of course, as OU is just a misnomer.  The point is that solar panels once bought will produce energy that does not cost you a dime.
However, storage batteries are another thing, as they don't come with a 25 years guarantee, nor are they cheap nor free.

   Once we know how to manufacture energy, "out of thin air" the batteries won't be needed, at all.

 

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