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Offline Overunutty

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Re: Simple questions
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2016, 07:34:25 PM »
Exactly correct.


Overunutty:

The overunity is in the question itself..."If I can store more energy in a flywheel than I put into a flywheel, would that be overunity?"
The answer is that your premise is not possible, therefore the answer is no.

Bill
That is not the question I asked, a flywheel can only store so much energy. It all depends on RPM's, diameter and weight, once these parameters are met, you cannot change this. I never specified the size of flywheels. Again I ask "if I can store 150,000 joules in a set of flywheels, that is capable of storing 150,000, but I only used 100,000 joules of energy to get it to that amount, is this considered overunity?"

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Re: Simple questions
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Re: Simple questions
« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2016, 08:23:49 PM »
The First Law of Thermodynamics is fundamental to talking about energy. It is important to consider the system (to energy flow) as open or closed.




Bull Dust!!!

The First Law of Thermodynamics is an excuse for Caveman Scientists to dismiss technology's and ideas they are too damn lazy to explain properly with real Science!!!

No one here ever has bought up "Creating Energy from Nothing" - EVER!!!

For you to complicate this topic with such Malarkey is total NON-SENSE!!!

It clearly  shows you do not know what you are talking about! Being subliminally conditioned to connect two totally different things to each other to dismiss the latter.

This is not Real Science!!! Its Caveman Science 101!!!


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Offline memoryman

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Re: Simple questions
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2016, 09:45:59 PM »
Chris, why don't you explain it to me? Please use simple terms as I am a simple guy who never went to Caveman U. ( I did attend the University of Waterloo, bu they don't teach real science there, just gobble-d-gook that helps in making computers and other such useless stuff).

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Re: Simple questions
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2016, 10:13:26 PM »
Chris, why don't you explain it to me? Please use simple terms as I am a simple guy who never went to Caveman U. ( I did attend the University of Waterloo, bu they don't teach real science there, just gobble-d-gook that helps in making computers and other such useless stuff).


Memoryman - I believe I have very clearly stated the plainly obvious - Have I not?

Youre asking me to explain again what I have already explained? Also the question that was orriginally asked?

1: The orriginal Question:
If I can mechanically store 100,001 joules of stored energy in a set of flywheels and the input required is 100,000 joules to reach this goal. Is this overunity?

2: A very valid first response:
The flywheels would not be what is OU,but the motor/engine/device that spun up the flywheels would be-->or you have not taken into account environmental input to the system.


Brad

3: It is perfectly reasonable for another environmental influience to add energy to a System - We do this all the time in Science!!! EG: Hydrolectric Power Station, Wind Turbines, Hydraulic Ram Pump's... the list is endless...

4: Your rebuttle excluding such phenomena[3] is just nonsense!!!

The Electrical Energy (Joules per Second) I put into a System could be 1 Watt. I might get out 10 Watts, there is nothing at all in Science limiting this scenario and this is what is considered to be Over Unity! Al Systems have losses, all Systems will have a maximum efficency, but there is nothing at all to stop additional Energy entering the System adding to the Input Energy we put in.

EnergyOut = EnergyInput + EnergyEnvironmental - Energylosses = (EnergyInput < EnergyOut)(EnergyEnvironmental > Energylosses) <<<--- Simple as that!!!

Where:
EnergyOut being greater than EnergyInput is a Function of EnergyEnvironmental being greater than Energylosses.

I am sure a million Mathematicians could write that much better than I have.

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Offline Pirate88179

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Re: Simple questions
« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2016, 01:51:13 AM »
That is not the question I asked, a flywheel can only store so much energy. It all depends on RPM's, diameter and weight, once these parameters are met, you cannot change this. I never specified the size of flywheels. Again I ask "if I can store 150,000 joules in a set of flywheels, that is capable of storing 150,000, but I only used 100,000 joules of energy to get it to that amount, is this considered overunity?"

I know what you asked and, you have said it again.  IF  I could store...whatever...fill in the blank....

That IF is your overunity.  That is what I am saying.  If you do not understand this, or I am not being clear, just let me know.

IF I had a battery that put out more energy than was put in...would that be overunity?  That IF is very important and a false premise.

You are talking about flywheels which are, as are batteries, energy storage devices...nothing more.

IF I put three apples into a box and then could remove 4 apples, would this be O.U?  See what I mean?

Of course it would be but it can't be done so your premise is a false one.

I hope I am making some sense here.

Bill

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Re: Simple questions
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Offline Overunutty

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Re: Simple questions
« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2016, 02:20:17 AM »
I know what you asked and, you have said it again.  IF  I could store...whatever...fill in the blank....

That IF is your overunity.  That is what I am saying.  If you do not understand this, or I am not being clear, just let me know.

IF I had a battery that put out more energy than was put in...would that be overunity?  That IF is very important and a false premise.

You are talking about flywheels which are, as are batteries, energy storage devices...nothing more.

IF I put three apples into a box and then could remove 4 apples, would this be O.U?  See what I mean?

Of course it would be but it can't be done so your premise is a false one.

I hope I am making some sense here.

Bill
I think what you are saying is you have no idea how I can mechanilly put in "whatever, you fill in the blank" to a set of flywheels in a way that you have any understanding about, so therefore it is as you say "it's impossible"? When I measure the input watts required in this machine in one minute, it is less than the stored joules I've accumulated in one minute. So therefore no more if's, is this overunity?

Offline Overunutty

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Re: Simple questions
« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2016, 02:23:38 AM »
I understand how to read a watt meter and I can easily calculate joules with http://www.botlanta.org/converters/dale-calc/flywheel.html
I can clearly see that I have more energy stored than required to get it stored

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Re: Simple questions
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Offline Pirate88179

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Re: Simple questions
« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2016, 02:24:35 AM »
I think what you are saying is you have no idea how I can mechanilly put in "whatever, you fill in the blank" to a set of flywheels in a way that you have any understanding about, so therefore it is as you say "it's impossible"? When I measure the input watts required in this machine in one minute, it is less than the stored joules I've accumulated in one minute. So therefore no more if's, is this overunity?

I do have understanding about this and...it goes like this....

A flywheel stores energy MINUS losses due to friction, etc.  So you can not say that:  I put in 10 units of energy in my flywheel but it only took me 1 unit to do.  If it only took you one unit to do, then you have 1 unit of energy, minus losses, in your flywheel.

That is it...end of story.  Reread my apple example.

Bill

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Re: Simple questions
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2016, 02:25:55 AM »
I know what you asked and, you have said it again.  IF  I could store...whatever...fill in the blank....

That IF is your overunity.  That is what I am saying.  If you do not understand this, or I am not being clear, just let me know.

IF I had a battery that put out more energy than was put in...would that be overunity?  That IF is very important and a false premise.

You are talking about flywheels which are, as are batteries, energy storage devices...nothing more.

IF I put three apples into a box and then could remove 4 apples, would this be O.U?  See what I mean?

Of course it would be but it can't be done so your premise is a false one.

I hope I am making some sense here.

Bill




Bill also believes its not possible to eat a Cheese Burger with one hand!!!

He hasnt figured out the Math for it yet however...

Σ4fingers = 0 + 1Thumb = log(1 * Cheese Burger)2

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Re: Simple questions
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Re: Simple questions
« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2016, 03:19:28 AM »



Bill also believes its not possible to eat a Cheese Burger with one hand!!!

He hasnt figured out the Math for it yet however...

Σ4fingers = 0 + 1Thumb = log(1 * Cheese Burger)2

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Chris:

Were your calculations based upon cheddar or Swiss cheese?  Everyone knows that cheddar would require 4 more fingers
from the other hand.  It is mathematical errors and mistakes like this that keep the napkin and dry cleaning folks in business.

Bill

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Re: Simple questions
« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2016, 03:25:50 AM »
Chris:

Were your calculations based upon cheddar or Swiss cheese?  Everyone knows that cheddar would require 4 more fingers
from the other hand.  It is mathematical errors and mistakes like this that keep the napkin and dry cleaning folks in business.

Bill



Nice Recovery Bill!

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Re: Simple questions
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Re: Simple questions
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Nice Recovery Bill!

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Thanks.

Bill

Offline memoryman

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Re: Simple questions
« Reply #27 on: March 23, 2016, 04:10:10 AM »
Chris, as Pirate Bill pointed out, your hypothetical 'if' would be OU IF no energy was added from outside the closed system. Using powdered Unicorn Horn would help.

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Re: Simple questions
« Reply #28 on: March 23, 2016, 04:19:41 AM »
Chris, as Pirate Bill pointed out, your hypothetical 'if' would be OU IF no energy was added from outside the closed system. Using powdered Unicorn Horn would help.


Hey I get it, this is Caveman Science Humor...

I dont think you have worded your post correctly. Shouldnt it be:

Quote from: MemoryManShouldbe

I am really back peddling now and cant get my sentences out right! I cant rebut your logic and have nothing more to say now...


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P.S: Youre alright MemoryMan, we didnt get off to a good start. I sense a decent person behind the Keyboard there. At least you know what a "hypothetical 'if'" is. I didnt untill recently.


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Re: Simple questions
« Reply #29 on: March 23, 2016, 04:53:17 AM »



MemoryMan - I will post a video when I find it.

2 AA Batteries boiling 1.5 Litres of water - You think this might be OU.

The technical Term: Molecular Jumbilsation

No Kidding... Cavitation.

This is one example, not the one I wanted: Cavitation Heater - Overunity


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