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Author Topic: Anyone tried replicating the easy LENR video below?  (Read 11867 times)

Offline ramset

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Re: Anyone tried replicating the easy LENR video below?
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2016, 09:33:12 AM »
This Man starts the Vid with a preface about it being a translation ?
is there an original untranslated version ?

there may already be  a forum or other persons working on replicating this ..with their comments attached ?

@Nink
I was reffering to the simple water and chemical control ,it has not been my experience that such a small percentage has this big a temp rise .[however there are many variables ]

only one way to check that ,but all you really need is the thermometer at this point, if the chemical reaction does all this work then no need to go any further ?




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Re: Anyone tried replicating the easy LENR video below?
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2016, 01:45:28 PM »
I thought about this and you are right you really need a control to verify if the reaction had stopped and if more power came out of this then went in.  There are dozens of videos on youtube of Sodium Hydoxide and water creating exothermic reaction https://youtu.be/AsVegL2jJkU?t=43 but that doesn't really tell us the total reaction time temperature variation by quantity of NAoH etc. 

I guess you need 4 experiments as the claim is more energy coming out than going in. 
1) NAoH and H2O heat to 60 C and put in thermos
2) NAoH and H2O heat to 60 C with Tungsten Welding Rod and 80 to 100v DC
3)  NAoH and H2O and metal plates to create HHO with same watts as 1 and 2 and collect hydrogen, Use Hydrogen to heat water.  No idea how we collect the Sodium that is created and combust this as a fuel source so Hydrogen is best we have.
4) a kettle and forget everything else and see if you can raise the temperature of NAoH and Water after reaction finished by a couple of degrees with same watts :-) 


I have some Lye (Sodium Hydroxide) somewhere around I used to make Sodium Silicate for a graphene binder I was using on some super caps and I guess I could buy a welding rod but I lack the proper test equipment, all I have is some basic meters and some digital scales but I don't have an Oscilloscope anymore or a decent power supply, you need thermometers, some thermoses,  ....

Too hard Nick, there is a much simpler way to do the measurements and accurately .  I'm building some of the equipment and will disclose when its ready to go.  Forget the sodium BTW, it never sees the light of day at the cathode. Check the standard reduction potential of Na  vs H2O in alkaline solution.

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Re: Anyone tried replicating the easy LENR video below?
« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2016, 05:26:27 PM »
Here is one of the better bids I've seen.
https://youtu.be/TEceEHgaXoU

Its very well made, but at the end of the video he talks of using a spectrum analyzer to determine the elements. I've never heard of this method as atoms have characteristic lines in the visible/UV range. He doesn't elaborate on that topic, I wish he did as it doesn't seem right. Anyway video is a must for anyone into this stuff.

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Re: Anyone tried replicating the easy LENR video below?
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Re: Anyone tried replicating the easy LENR video below?
« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2016, 10:08:55 AM »
I'm only new at this, but already some weird phenomena were observed. With both electrodes made of tungsten, there was a particular voltage/current window  before the plasma where there was evolution of gases at the cathode (negative) but absolutely none at the anode. This is using  a warm NaOH solution. This seems absurd as current is supposedly only able to flow when electrons are exchanged at the electrodes and oxidation and reductions occur. There was very little, if any,  visible oxidation of the tungsten, which would have explained the lack of oxygen evolution as it formed oxides on the surface. Another weird event happens when the plasma is made on the anode.
Usually the cathode is made to have the plasma but when you deliberately cause it on the anode, it is more stable. But if you touch glass with the tip look out. First there is a white intense glow and then an exlplosion that can throw out much of the solution.
I was looking out for corrosion of tungsten but only found some when the cathode is made to glow white hot. Only then is some tungsten able to react with water at a rate quick enough to notice.
Too early to tell if anything is OU, but it good fun.

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Re: Anyone tried replicating the easy LENR video below?
« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2016, 01:42:48 AM »
In the 'real' world this type of electrolysis is called Contact Glow Discharge Electrolysis aka  CGDE.
It has been studied quite well since 1950, although it was first reported in 1844! The best journal article to read is by Susanta K Sen Gupta  in 'plasma sources sci. Technology (24) 2015. , A summary of all the research published (188 papers). Under some conditions Non faradaic processes give rise to 80-2000 times the expected faradaic yield of hydrogen.
 

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Re: Anyone tried replicating the easy LENR video below?
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2016, 01:45:32 PM »
I finished making a small, simple calorimeter today and it is surprisingly accurate even at temperatures close to boiling. The rate of heat loss is only 4W between 80-90c, but its all taken into consideration in the calcs.
The liquid is stirred with a magnetic stirrer and the temp is logged to a PC.
 I can now look back at the guy's video and see that his measurements are not going to be accurate. He has a reading on the mA meter with nothing connected, the resolution of the scales is only to one gram, he used a large cylinder to make measurements and only allows the temp to go up by two degrees. Lots of assumptions are also made. If an error analysis were to be made, adding all the +/- percent errors you would be very surprised how massive the error in the final calculations would be. I have not tried LENR reactions in the calorimeter as yet.

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Re: Anyone tried replicating the easy LENR video below?
« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2016, 10:32:20 AM »
here is a good site for LENR news



http://www.e-catworld.com/

and Looking for heat is a new start up which has some test beds in line with Parkomov's  kitchen work [which grew from Rossi's claims]

http://www.lookingforheat.com/research_notes/

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Re: Anyone tried replicating the easy LENR video below?
« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2016, 05:51:55 PM »
Thanks for the links, I had a good read and the material is excellent. Do you know of any accurate measurements done on tungsten rod plasma electrolysis? I have the data from Mazumi who electrolyzed Potassium Carbonate found excess heat and managed to get it published. Apart from that there are some replications by Eugene Mallove and from JLN labs.
http://quanthomme.free.fr/jlnlabs/cfr/html/cfrdatas.htm

I'm hoping to replicate these by carrying out the reaction in a dewer and comparing the temp rise against input from a precision resistor and voltage across it instead of assuming heat capacities of solutions/dewar/stirrer etc.  The calorimeter is all done and works well, now I need to stabilize the arc for a more consistent current. You can't trust averaging the current when it looks like it does in the JLN labs plots. I think he used a power meter which is a very weak link in the accuracy of the readings. With bubbles interrupting the current and regions of negative resistance oscillating in the MHz range, one has to very cautious of accepting the displayed values of the current blindly.

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Re: Anyone tried replicating the easy LENR video below?
« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2016, 09:52:45 AM »
I've just tried out the 10% NaOH and it produces a good stable cathodic arc, just like in the video.  It also allows a good anodic arc, unlike the potassium carbonate.  I managed to melt alumina and quartz under the NaOH solution with the anodic arc.  As mentioned earlier, simply touching a spot of glass, quartz, alumina produced a huge increase in current , mA become  3-5A,  and there is an immense white arc.
It seems like a spot much less than 1sqmm carries 300Vx5A, approx 1500W, and gets white hot.
Having gone through the video, he unfortunately did not have enough resolution on the balance to weigh the water loss properly. How can you weigh 1g when there is an error of +/- 2g minimum? He also uses a big plastic measuring cylinder to try to measure this loss, introducing other errors, since a lot of the fluid remains in the flask.  The video is well made, its just unfortunate that at the critical part he did not take more care with the measurements. This one gram of water loss  is incredibly vital to the calculation being OU or not. Another big factor is that a lot of the water loss could be from the fog generated by the splattering of the arc, and must be kept in the flask and not allowed to escape by designing the arc to be struck deep in the solution and making the 'fog' and steam recombine with the cooler bulk solution. Then, heat is kept in the flask and can be measured directly by a rise in temperature, so long as the bulk is less than the b.p..

Here is the screenshot his calculated results,the red circle are the calcs which are likely to be out by a very large factor, because (1) the resolution of the balance is 1g. Even 0.1g resolution still gives a 20% error!  and (2) only the mass of boiled or electrolyzed water can be used in the calcs. The apparatus must block all exit of mist generated by mechanical means at the arc.



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Re: Anyone tried replicating the easy LENR video below?
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