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Author Topic: Anyone tried replicating the easy LENR video below?  (Read 11868 times)

Offline pomodoro

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Anyone tried replicating the easy LENR video below?
« on: March 12, 2016, 12:19:07 PM »
There is a pretty good video on the playlist of OU.com currently. Looks very simple to replicate. The water temp apparently rises more than it should. Anyone know of replications that either worked or failed? Seems like all you need is a tungsten welding rod, lye, water, thermometer, multimeter, 80v, and an insulated cup

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Re: Anyone tried replicating the easy LENR video below?
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2016, 01:32:49 PM »
Have you been able to find the original Link to the Vid ?
it would be good to read his questions and answers too ?

Thx
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Re: Anyone tried replicating the easy LENR video below?
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2016, 01:50:37 PM »
Have you been able to find the original Link to the Vid ?
it would be good to read his questions and answers too ?

Thx
Chet
I can't with my phone.
[size=78%]I'd like to replicate this with my equipment. I can do a full element scan of  the tungsten and solution down to ppm levels. Apparently some transmutation occurs as well. [/size]

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Re: Anyone tried replicating the easy LENR video below?
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2016, 01:50:37 PM »
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Re: Anyone tried replicating the easy LENR video below?
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2016, 02:07:10 PM »
I have looked a bit prior to asking you . some of us have played here with small results.
would be a good experiment to check ,however it would be good to read a bit more of the back and forth
conversations on the original Vid.
and even try some other things in the soup ![yes transmutation would be good to check ...also Peter [ae]
at OUR has some thoughts on welding Rods and transmutation you should touch base with him for some other suggestions ?

have you heard back from the lab on your other thing yet ?

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Re: Anyone tried replicating the easy LENR video below?
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2016, 02:34:58 PM »
Still waiting. Shouldn't be too long now.

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Re: Anyone tried replicating the easy LENR video below?
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2016, 02:59:37 PM »
Have you been able to find the original Link to the Vid ?
it would be good to read his questions and answers too ?

Thx
Chet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wENFciq1-Q

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Re: Anyone tried replicating the easy LENR video below?
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2016, 04:43:35 PM »
Cheers for the link Gyula.
I need to figure out how to do this with no errors in calculations.
Initially heat loss to the environment from the solution at 60c needs to be measured. Call this Eloss.
Then we work out the heat supplied by the arc. Earc
The temp is allowed to raise by say 5 degrees. We work out the heat required. E1.
According to the video E1>Eloss+Earc.
So already there is OU.
Then there is the problem of the missing water. Really the apparatus needs to trap any mist coming off. This is not boiled off  water but nebulized droplets.  To avoid other calculations the process needs to be done at constant volume, enclosed. In that case all heat of evaporation is returned as heat of condensation and there is no pdV work from any gas/vapour. The heat from the plasma should burn any hydrogen formed at the cathode, keeping the pressure stable and avoiding the electrolysis calculation.
In essence, all electric input should have gone into heating the liquid. I need to double check the thermodynamics of this  but let me know if anyone sees any flaw with this .

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Re: Anyone tried replicating the easy LENR video below?
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2016, 05:11:13 PM »
I have trouble with videos. What are the numbers for heat in and out?

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Re: Anyone tried replicating the easy LENR video below?
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2016, 10:43:21 PM »
There is a pretty good video on the playlist of OU.com currently. Looks very simple to replicate. The water temp apparently rises more than it should. Anyone know of replications that either worked or failed? Seems like all you need is a tungsten welding rod, lye, water, thermometer, multimeter, 80v, and an insulated cup

Dissolving Sodium Hydroxide in water is an exothermic reaction.  If he had just stuck NAoH and H20 in a thermos and closed the lid the water temperature would have gone up 2 to 3 degrees without all the theatrics.  Just another  OU Scam video.

I posted about this here.  http://overunity.com/12281/open-source-cold-fusion-replication-plans-now-available/msg476480/#msg476480

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Re: Anyone tried replicating the easy LENR video below?
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2016, 02:10:14 AM »
Nick it doesn't matter if NaOH dissolved in water is exothermic. The temp rise is measured afterwards, only from the time the plasma is started. Once dissolved it will not keep heating the water, only the electrical power in can do that, or any exothermic chemical reactions, such as the tungsten reacting. Hot W will react with water to form WO2 and H2, which should burn. Need to check the enthalpy for the above reaction.

This link has a pretty good paper from Japan. They only took heating of the water into consideration.
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MizunoTproduction.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwiGwNjEt7zLAhWlxqYKHQJhDVMQFggdMAE&usg=AFQjCNHd-P28pPQg1zmaIKaLAZZPZB7RuA

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Re: Anyone tried replicating the easy LENR video below?
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2016, 11:25:28 AM »
Nink

will you do that simple Control with the coffee thermos and report back ?




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Re: Anyone tried replicating the easy LENR video below?
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Re: Anyone tried replicating the easy LENR video below?
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2016, 10:21:49 PM »
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Re: Anyone tried replicating the easy LENR video below?
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2016, 11:19:02 PM »
Nink

will you do that simple Control with the coffee thermos and report back ?


I would not drink the coffee after the experiment.


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Re: Anyone tried replicating the easy LENR video below?
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2016, 12:25:48 AM »
nah
cleans it out good !!

If Nink doesn't do the control ,I will

will just take me a few days to get to it.[haven't watched the Vid yet ]

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Re: Anyone tried replicating the easy LENR video below?
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2016, 05:52:43 AM »
nah
cleans it out good !!

If Nink doesn't do the control ,I will

will just take me a few days to get to it.[haven't watched the Vid yet ]

I thought about this and you are right you really need a control to verify if the reaction had stopped and if more power came out of this then went in.  There are dozens of videos on youtube of Sodium Hydoxide and water creating exothermic reaction https://youtu.be/AsVegL2jJkU?t=43 but that doesn't really tell us the total reaction time temperature variation by quantity of NAoH etc. 

I guess you need 4 experiments as the claim is more energy coming out than going in. 
1) NAoH and H2O heat to 60 C and put in thermos
2) NAoH and H2O heat to 60 C with Tungsten Welding Rod and 80 to 100v DC
3)  NAoH and H2O and metal plates to create HHO with same watts as 1 and 2 and collect hydrogen, Use Hydrogen to heat water.  No idea how we collect the Sodium that is created and combust this as a fuel source so Hydrogen is best we have.
4) a kettle and forget everything else and see if you can raise the temperature of NAoH and Water after reaction finished by a couple of degrees with same watts :-) 


I have some Lye (Sodium Hydroxide) somewhere around I used to make Sodium Silicate for a graphene binder I was using on some super caps and I guess I could buy a welding rod but I lack the proper test equipment, all I have is some basic meters and some digital scales but I don't have an Oscilloscope anymore or a decent power supply, you need thermometers, some thermoses,  ....

 

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