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Title: Playing gravity...
Post by: iacob alex on March 03, 2016, 03:43:13 PM
.....or more precisely the center of mass of a ring configuration :
     - as acrobatics , at  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr0fYUzvxP0
     - as a simple gravity self powered device , at : www.geocities.ws/iacob_alex/Some_Drafts/text013.jpg
     Al_ex
Title: Re: Playing gravity...
Post by: Temporal Visitor on March 03, 2016, 03:59:19 PM
.....or more precisely the center of mass of a ring configuration :
     - as acrobatics , at  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr0fYUzvxP0
     - as a simple gravity self powered device , at : www.geocities.ws/iacob_alex/Some_Drafts/text013.jpg
     Al_ex

Yes gravity machines can be made to work as "self powered devices", your drawing is a simplified one of these that has been built and CAN BE MADE TO WORK - but are not simple nor "practical".  ;)

This one is named: The Iron waterfall. It was first built in wood to test the "con-cept" and showed promise of being truth.

Much better awaits ....
Title: Re: Playing gravity...
Post by: AB Hammer on March 03, 2016, 05:04:31 PM
Yes gravity machines can be made to work as "self powered devices", your drawing is a simplified one of these that has been built and CAN BE MADE TO WORK - but are not simple nor "practical".  ;)

This one is named: The Iron waterfall. It was first built in wood to test the "con-cept" and showed promise of being truth.

Much better awaits ....

Greetings Temporal Visitor

 I find your construction top rate. I look forward to more of your builds.  I have done similar approaches as well. We tend to find that when you approach this seriously we find the same things just in slightly different manners.
Title: Re: Playing gravity...
Post by: Temporal Visitor on March 03, 2016, 05:49:43 PM
Greetings Temporal Visitor

 I find your construction top rate. I look forward to more of your builds.  I have done similar approaches as well. We tend to find that when you approach this seriously we find the same things just in slightly different manners.

Hello, and thank you for the kind words.

If only more were serious in their search, rather than looking for someone else to do it, to their liking and expecting it to be given to them for free.

I look forward to more like yourself. Seriously.
Title: Re: Playing gravity...
Post by: LibreEnergia on March 03, 2016, 09:23:48 PM
Yes gravity machines can be made to work as "self powered devices", your drawing is a simplified one of these that has
been built and CAN BE MADE TO WORK - but are not simple nor "practical".  ;)

This statement is absolutely false. It is impossible to make a mechanical device that relies on gravity alone as the prime mover.

What part of the statement  'gravity is a conservative field' do you  not understand?

It's possible that at massive energies this symmetry breaks down, but for all practical purposes on earth this is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Playing gravity...
Post by: AB Hammer on March 03, 2016, 11:22:06 PM
This statement is absolutely false. It is impossible to make a mechanical device that relies on gravity alone as the prime mover.

What part of the statement  'gravity is a conservative field' do you  not understand?

It's possible that at massive energies this symmetry breaks down, but for all practical purposes on earth this is irrelevant.

LibreEnergia

 I believe you are going to have some surprises this year. I already have a device that accelerates but I had a timing problem of the sifters which I believe I have solved. and I also have new designs that may blow your mind of what it can do for it could be what Bessler did for it is reversible. Here is a sample of my design work that I had been holding back on but will not make claim on either, for I have much better.
Also here is a link to my videos that I had released but there will be some good new ones this year.
https://www.youtube.com/user/ABthehammer/videos
Title: Re: Playing gravity...
Post by: LibreEnergia on March 04, 2016, 12:24:15 AM
LibreEnergia

 I believe you are going to have some surprises this year. I already have a device that accelerates but I had a timing problem of the sifters which I believe I have solved. and I also have new designs that may blow your mind of what it can do for it could be what Bessler did for it is reversible. Here is a sample of my design work that I had been holding back on but will not make claim on either, for I have much better.
Also here is a link to my videos that I had released but there will be some good new ones this year.
https://www.youtube.com/user/ABthehammer/videos

I'll bet you any amount you care to name that it will not work.

You say it accelerates then had a 'timing' problem... I'd say the starting condition has some stored potential energy that allows it to accelerate initially. Then,  friction works its magic, initial energy is dissipated and the system stops. 

The best "gravity wheel" device is a simple flywheel. It's not over unity but it will have the best potential runtime of any device.
Title: Re: Playing gravity...
Post by: memoryman on March 04, 2016, 12:29:18 AM
"The best "gravity wheel" device is a simple flywheel." A flywheel has nothing to do with gravity.
" I already have a device that accelerates but I had a timing problem of the sifters which I believe I have solved."
So close... and yet so far away.
Title: Re: Playing gravity...
Post by: AB Hammer on March 04, 2016, 01:03:03 AM
I'll bet you any amount you care to name that it will not work.

You say it accelerates then had a 'timing' problem... I'd say the starting condition has some stored potential energy that allows it to accelerate initially. Then,  friction works its magic, initial energy is dissipated and the system stops. 

The best "gravity wheel" device is a simple flywheel. It's not over unity but it will have the best potential runtime of any device.

LibreEnergia

You will have to wait till I finish the rebuild. But I will describe the test.
On a single arm that the axle is in the middle. One counterweight on one side and the other side had the mechanism. From the point of the counterweight at noon then release by lifting the holder off the top. The wheel made one full rotation after the mechanism shifted and then accelerated. The second was faster and the shiftier shifted a little quicker and again on the third and then shifted to soon and had misaligned the shiftier. At the slower speed it would not become misaligned. So no longevity test could be done until correcting the problem. You can reference the wheel of death for what it is mimicking.

The test showing gain is already producing energy from gravity. But there is a lot more and when I show the rebuild I will also show the original. But I will also be showing a lot more.  8)
Title: Re: Playing gravity...
Post by: AB Hammer on March 04, 2016, 01:07:59 AM
Here is one of 10 of my first years builds in 2007

Note: There is more weight on the descending side than the ascending side but it gets stuck in this position.
I learned a lot after those days.  ;D
Title: Re: Playing gravity...
Post by: LibreEnergia on March 04, 2016, 04:46:41 AM

The test showing gain is already producing energy from gravity. But there is a lot more and when I show the rebuild I will also show the original. But I will also be showing a lot more.  8)

You can't make that claim until you prove that the machine had more kinetic energy at some time than the potential energy of the starting condition.

Simply seeing the device accelerate  is not evidence of that. The initial potential may be converted to kinetic energy at any time during the run giving the appearance of a gain. Ultimately it stops once that potential is dissipated.

Title: Re: Playing gravity...
Post by: Temporal Visitor on March 04, 2016, 02:21:04 PM
This statement is absolutely false. It is impossible to make a mechanical device that relies on gravity alone as the prime mover.

What part of the statement  'gravity is a conservative field' do you  not understand?

It's possible that at massive energies this symmetry breaks down, but for all practical purposes on earth this is irrelevant.

LibreEnergia,

Thank you for expressing your beliefs based upon the simple information you have, rather than personal knowledge about my work and the work of others you know nothing of.
Just remember that beliefs don't make it so, because Nature controls all that IS.

"It is impossible to make a mechanical device that relies on gravity alone as the prime mover."

a. Everything is "impossible" up to the point in Time someone does what WAS BELIEVED not possible, regardless of BELIEF.
b. Gravity is a FORCE OF NATURE, not a prime mover and not subject to being suspended by man or his BELIEF.
c. Prime movers are typically mechanical devices that typically CON-sume "fuel" to produce FORCE to do WORK. I.e.: moving objects made of Matter.
d. Please explain any belief you may have as to your ability to inhibit Nature's manifestation of Kinetic energy in Matter in motion.

Do your BELIEFS limit my understanding and or ability?

Title: Re: Playing gravity...
Post by: AB Hammer on March 04, 2016, 03:00:21 PM
You can't make that claim until you prove that the machine had more kinetic energy at some time than the potential energy of the starting condition.

Simply seeing the device accelerate  is not evidence of that. The initial potential may be converted to kinetic energy at any time during the run giving the appearance of a gain. Ultimately it stops once that potential is dissipated.

LibreEnergia

What does science say about a weight on a wheel or arm on an axle when dropped/released from the top? They say it can not make full rotation (impossible).  What I had was full rotation with no loss of potential energy but a gain, until the malfunction.  Even in my first year I did a lot of kinetic testing for I know the value. Just remember that kinetic energy is what you get out of an action. Like a weight on a string. When in your hand it has none but when you spin it around you have it, but it's from your own energy.

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Temporal Visitor

Nicely put.

Here is what I show on my signature line on Bessler Wheel.
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Title: Re: Playing gravity...
Post by: turbogt16v on March 04, 2016, 03:01:11 PM
to AB Hammer
i see you really put a lot of effort to make this device,
it really looks to simple to work,just by seeing it on picture,but if you claim it works,then it works, for you.
my only question is how much force does it take to get the wheel running.
and how much time did it self run.

oh never mind ,i just read that this is your  2007 build so its ok i get the picture
Title: Re: Playing gravity...
Post by: AB Hammer on March 04, 2016, 03:16:30 PM
to AB Hammer
i see you really put a lot of effort to make this device,
it really looks to simple to work,just by seeing it on picture,but if you claim it works,then it works, for you.
my only question is how much force does it take to get the wheel running.
and how much time did it self run.

turbogt16v

I already said the one in the photo did not work and it was what I did in 2007. This is now 2016. I only showed it as an example of building. Only by building will anyone know truly what they have to overcome.
I have not shown the device that I had gain on until I finish the rebuild.

Here is a wheel I did a couple of years ago and its video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2XTzFZpYK0
Title: Re: Playing gravity...
Post by: turbogt16v on March 04, 2016, 03:42:18 PM
well to be honest, i do believe that it is possible to make gravity powered device.
but with these semi videos and attempts you are only saying make it yourself,
and if you are not trying to get the Nobel price or something ,i don't see why the mystery behind your work.
This is forum to help others ,not to brag about your work.

but still, i see you are very dedicated so even if your device don't work keep up
Title: Re: Playing gravity...
Post by: ARMCORTEX on March 04, 2016, 03:49:29 PM
Bravo, like you say Turbo, this is bullshit. You hit it right on target.

None of it works, these mysterious actings and ... lead nowhere.

If you wanna help others, you have to speak clearly, and bullshit will never be clear.

Any words of Krstan Pejic? Where is the theory that will propel us towards an energy solution?

It seems like all has his support has evaporated in the comments of his recent videos.
Title: Re: Playing gravity...
Post by: AlienGrey on March 04, 2016, 07:12:40 PM
well to be honest, i do believe that it is possible to make gravity powered device.
but with these semi videos and attempts you are only saying make it yourself,
and if you are not trying to get the Nobel price or something ,i don't see why the mystery behind your work.
This is forum to help others ,not to brag about your work.

but still, i see you are very dedicated so even if your device won't work keep up

Gravity power, ever wonder why they don't use 2 or 4 propeller props on aeroplanes or fans or decent wind generators ?  Balance (vibration, difficulty, starting and running at slow speed  of equal number prop blades ), they are all gravity related.
Title: Re: Playing gravity...
Post by: AB Hammer on March 04, 2016, 08:59:22 PM
well to be honest, i do believe that it is possible to make gravity powered device.
but with these semi videos and attempts you are only saying make it yourself,
and if you are not trying to get the Nobel price or something ,i don't see why the mystery behind your work.
This is forum to help others ,not to brag about your work.

but still, i see you are very dedicated so even if your device don't work keep up

I am glad you believe it is possible. That is the first step to even try.

As for showing up front. I wish I could but I also know for a fact that there are many credit thieves out there with lawyers to jump on unprotected designs, especially one that works. That is why I will get my designs on patent pending then I will show. I will not wait for the patent to do so.

As an armorer I have had several items I have built then claimed by others in competition and get credit, so don't say it can happen for it does all to often.

I do help often but not by holding any ones hand to build but will explain in my own crude way what will happen. Until you know what to expect you will not advance in this quest.
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