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Author Topic: The Fourth Fundamental Passive Circuit Element  (Read 13897 times)

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Re: The Fourth Fundamental Passive Circuit Element
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2016, 07:44:42 AM »
You are right DARPA does not believe that they will even reach 3200 Snyapse in 10 years and I don't either.

They are not stupid enough to invest any more money in memristors. Game over

Please provide a reference to your false assertion above.

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Re: The Fourth Fundamental Passive Circuit Element
« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2016, 02:00:27 PM »
DARPA had a budget of 100M they gave IBM ~56 Million and HP / HRL ~ 42M. The project wound down last year and the rest of the money went to various awards to universities etc.   Most of this  info should be public knowledge.  The problem was memristors is they don't scale as you need a 30+ nm air gap for each memristor where IBM can use FinFET technology that can scale the entire synapse chip down to 14nm and => 5nm around 2020 

Please provide a reference to show that DARPA is investing in Memristor after the SyNAPSE project was completed.

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Re: The Fourth Fundamental Passive Circuit Element
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2016, 09:27:58 PM »

I personally don't think there is a very good future for these hybrid circuit devices. Quantum
Computing is just about as hard circuit wise and its capabilities can't be touched by any other
computational mechanism especially for those used in AI. Similar to free energy, Quantum
Computing is so computationally disruptive that it may not be allowed to grow freely but that
doesn't mean its shadow won't be felt competitively. If AI can be based in quantum computers
and natural intelligence doesn't already use it, humans may wish to stand back. These are just
my opinions.


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Re: The Fourth Fundamental Passive Circuit Element
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2016, 11:16:48 PM »
I personally don't think there is a very good future for these hybrid circuit devices. Quantum
Computing is just about as hard circuit wise and its capabilities can't be touched by any other
computational mechanism especially for those used in AI. Similar to free energy, Quantum
Computing is so computationally disruptive that it may not be allowed to grow freely but that
doesn't mean its shadow won't be felt competitively. If AI can be based in quantum computers
and natural intelligence doesn't already use it, humans may wish to stand back. These are just
my opinions.

I agree. Quantum is probably the future of AI but it is really hard to separate fact from fiction on the current state.   D Wave is boasting a 1000 qubit but I personally think it is all smoke and mirrors and all they provide is quantum simulation. If they were really true quantum computers with 1000 qubits all existing simultaneously in multiple states, at 1000 qubits they could break every encryption system on the planet.  IARPA (DARPA baby brother) commissioned IBM to work on solving this problem last year but I think we need to clearly define just what the definition of a multi state quantum computer actually is before we can agree that anyone has actually developed even a true single qubit quantum computer.

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Re: The Fourth Fundamental Passive Circuit Element
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2016, 07:23:05 AM »
DARPA had a budget of 100M they gave IBM ~56 Million and HP / HRL ~ 42M. The project wound down last year and the rest of the money went to various awards to universities etc.   Most of this  info should be public knowledge.  The problem was memristors is they don't scale as you need a 30+ nm air gap for each memristor where IBM can use FinFET technology that can scale the entire synapse chip down to 14nm and => 5nm around 2020 

Please provide a reference to show that DARPA is investing in Memristor after the SyNAPSE project was completed.

I asked for a reference for your assertion that DARPA doesn't believe they'll even reach 3200 Snyapses in 10 years, and your reply above is on DARPA's budget, scale-ability, etc.  I never made the claim that DARPA is investing in memristors after the SyNAPSE project, so you asking for a reference is a red herring.

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Re: The Fourth Fundamental Passive Circuit Element
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Re: The Fourth Fundamental Passive Circuit Element
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Re: The Fourth Fundamental Passive Circuit Element
« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2016, 02:36:59 PM »
I asked for a reference for your assertion that DARPA doesn't believe they'll even reach 3200 Snyapses in 10 years, and your reply above is on DARPA's budget, scale-ability, etc.  I never made the claim that DARPA is investing in memristors after the SyNAPSE project, so you asking for a reference is a red herring.

Yes you did but when you made that claim you didn't actually realize the funding had ended. Now you are trying to back away from that claim.  DARPA has funded Memristors in the past but they do not currently fund memristors

Most of the research in memristors in regards to AI is jointly funded by the SyNAPSE program (DARPA)

Moores law is agreed upon by all IT companies and still holds true today after 50 years. DARPA understands Moores Law hence the reason their projects span  5 to 10 years.  The dependency for Moores law to be maintained is both time and money.  DARPA is no longer investing in Memristors (and as a publicly funded organization if they were there would be a public record of that investment) and no one else is. except unemployed startups who waisted 10 years of their life on memristors are now begging for money to keep this obsolete, failed technology alive.  Even HP who invented memristor abandon the project after DARPA ended the funding in 2015 and HP are now off working with SanDisk on a ReRAM variant. HP are playing up their investment in Memristors as being a contributor but their is actually no Memristor technology involved in the new SCM SanDisk is developing.  All HP is bringing to the table is $.   

So best case for memristors is Moores Law and thats 3200 Synapse per IC in 10 years but the probable case is the startups will get zero funding and the technology will go the way of bubble memory.

If you want a link to Moores law I suggest you try google.   If no one is investing in Memristors (including DARPA) then not even Moores law will be maintained.   

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Re: The Fourth Fundamental Passive Circuit Element
« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2016, 08:24:53 PM »
Yes you did but when you made that claim you didn't actually realize the funding had ended. Now you are trying to back away from that claim.  DARPA has funded Memristors in the past but they do not currently fund memristors

Moores law is agreed upon by all IT companies and still holds true today after 50 years. DARPA understands Moores Law hence the reason their projects span  5 to 10 years.  The dependency for Moores law to be maintained is both time and money.  DARPA is no longer investing in Memristors (and as a publicly funded organization if they were there would be a public record of that investment) and no one else is. except unemployed startups who waisted 10 years of their life on memristors are now begging for money to keep this obsolete, failed technology alive.  Even HP who invented memristor abandon the project after DARPA ended the funding in 2015 and HP are now off working with SanDisk on a ReRAM variant. HP are playing up their investment in Memristors as being a contributor but their is actually no Memristor technology involved in the new SCM SanDisk is developing.  All HP is bringing to the table is $.   

So best case for memristors is Moores Law and thats 3200 Synapse per IC in 10 years but the probable case is the startups will get zero funding and the technology will go the way of bubble memory.

If you want a link to Moores law I suggest you try google.   If no one is investing in Memristors (including DARPA) then not even Moores law will be maintained.

Memristors are necessary for a continuation of moores law.  As Pavlus explains, memristors make it possible to combine storage and random-access memory. “The common metaphor of the CPU as a computer’s ‘brain’ would become more accurate with memristors instead of transistors because the former actually work more like neurons—they transmit and encode information as well as store it,” he writes.  Memristors can transmit, encode, and store it by working more like neurons.  Brains don’t separate processor from memory, as we do with a CPU and RAM.

Knowm came right out of DARPA, and the co-creator of DARPA SyNAPSE founded Knowm.   The co-creator of DARPA, Alex Nugent (Knowm), has been awarded government SBIR and STTR contracts to furter develop the techonology  (reference article).

Knowm Inc. exists to fill a niche in the rapidly evolving technological landscape and lead the computing industry toward neuromemristive processors. The roots of Knowm Inc. were planted in 2002, when lead inventor Alex Nugent began patenting his ideas around adaptive computing architectures and founded an intellectual property holding company called KnowmTech. Initial seed funding for the endeavor was made possible by business woman and entrepreneur, Hillary Riggs. The portfolio now includes over 40 patents spanning memristive components and circuits all the way to large scale neuromorphic architectures. Alex Nugent co-created and advised the DARPA SyNAPSE program and more recently has been awarded government SBIR and STTR contracts to further develop the technology. In 2012, physicist, electrical engineer and software developer, Tim Molter, joined the effort to lead software development and further design chip architectures with Alex. This collaborative effort lead to the publication of the formal introduction to AHaH computing in early 2014: AHaH Computing–From Metastable Switches to Attractors to Machine Learning. More recently, Knowm has partnered with key experts in the field to further ramp up efforts on a path to commercialization. Collaborators include memristor fabrication pioneer Kris Campbell, Ph.D. from Boise State University and memristor circuit designer pioneer Dhireesha Kudithipudi, Ph.D. from Rochester Institute of Technology. Most recently, investor and consultant Sam Barakat has joined the team to help launch Knowm Inc.

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Re: The Fourth Fundamental Passive Circuit Element
« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2016, 08:40:58 PM »
If no one is investing in Memristors (including DARPA) then not even Moores law will be maintained.

As you can see in my previous post, memristors are currently being developed and commercialized by the co-creator of the DARPA SyNAPSE project through Knowm, thus the continuation of Moores law.

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Re: The Fourth Fundamental Passive Circuit Element
« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2016, 08:43:30 PM »
Exactly as I expected some out of work folks who lost their jobs after the DARPA project finished up and wasted 10 years of their  life on memristors begging for money  to continue the project on obsolete tech.  Maybe you will prove me wrong in 10 years and they will find some suckers and burn through another $40M to reach 3200 Synapse by 2025 in accordance with Moores law but I highly doubt it.   

By the way Alex Nugent  actually received that money between in 2011 and 2013 and he burnt through 1.5M and has nothing to show for it.

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Re: The Fourth Fundamental Passive Circuit Element
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2016, 09:16:38 PM »
Exactly as I expected some out of work folks who lost their jobs after the DARPA project finished up and wasted 10 years of their  life on memristors begging for money  to continue the project on obsolete tech.  Maybe you will prove me wrong in 10 years and they will find some suckers and burn through another $40M to reach 3200 Synapse by 2025 in accordance with Moores law but I highly doubt it.

The co-creator of DARPA SyNAPSE is the founder of Knowm, and he didn't lose his job after the DARPA SyNAPSE program finished.  He was awarded government contracts to further develop the technology after the DARPA project finished, which he co-created.

Alex Nugent ---> Knowm ---> DARPA SyNAPSE ---> Alex Nugent / Knowm ---> Government contracts awarded to and commercialization of memristors through Knowm.

Memristors are necessary for the continuation of Moores law in computing.  This continuation of Moores law in computing is contrary to your unreferenced 3200 Synapses by 2025 with memristors.

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Re: The Fourth Fundamental Passive Circuit Element
« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2016, 09:21:11 PM »
The co-creator of DARPA SyNAPSE is the founder of Knowm, and he didn't lose his job after the DARPA SyNAPSE program finished.  He was awarded government contracts to further develop the technology after the DARPA project finished, which he co-created.

Alex Nugent ---> Knowm ---> DARPA SyNAPSE ---> Alex Nugent / Knowm ---> Government contracts awarded to and commercialization of memristors through Knowm.

Memristors are necessary for the continuation of Moores law in computing.  This continuation of Moores law in computing is contrary to your unreferenced 3200 Synapses by 2025 with memristors.

Gravock

Sorry I thought you knew how to count.  Here is moores law doubling every 2 years. 

2015 100 Synapse
2017 200 Synapse
2019 400 Synapse
2021 800 Synapse
2023 1600 Synapse
2025 3200 Synapse

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Re: The Fourth Fundamental Passive Circuit Element
« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2016, 09:44:53 PM »
Sorry I thought you new how to count.  Here is moores law doubling every 2 years. 

2015 100 Synapse
2017 200 Synapse
2019 400 Synapse
2021 800 Synapse
2023 1600 Synapse
2025 3200 Synapse

Wrong, memristors is necessary for the continuation of Moores law in computing, and 3200 Synapses by 2025 with memristors isn't a continuation of Moores law in computing.  For one, your 3200 synapses by 2025 is based on the 100 synapses created by the university students in 2015.  The 100 synapses created by the students was a proof of concept and in no way represented Moores law for memristors in 2015.  The students could have easily created 1000 synapses in their lab.  100 synapses was all that was required for their proof of concept.

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Re: The Fourth Fundamental Passive Circuit Element
« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2016, 10:29:19 PM »
Then why didn't they create 1000 Synapses. I will tell you why because it doesn't scale, the fact they managed to squeeze 100 Synapse on single die is quite impressive and the only reason they achieved it was because they had an out of work ex HP memristor research employee who had to take on a teaching role and used this for further development on a project that he no longer had funding for.

BTW I see you did not address the fact that no one is actually funding memristors.  There are just a bunch of people looking for funding but no one actually funding development so as I keep saying even 3200 is optimistic at best.   I am looking for funding to build a cold fusion reactor, it does not mean it will actually work it just means I am just looking for funding.

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Re: The Fourth Fundamental Passive Circuit Element
« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2016, 10:48:38 PM »
Then why didn't they create 1000 Synapses. I will tell you why because it doesn't scale, the fact they managed to squeeze 100 Synapse on single die is quite impressive and the only reason they achieved it was because they had an out of work ex HP memristor research employee who had to take on a teaching role and used this for further development on a project that he no longer had funding for.

BTW I see you did not address the fact that no one is actually funding memristors.  There are just a bunch of people looking for funding but no one actually funding development so as I keep saying even 3200 is optimistic at best.   I am looking for funding to build a cold fusion reactor, it does not mean it will actually work it just means I am just looking for funding.

They didn't create 1000 snyapses because only 100 was needed for their proof of concept.  You don't build two houses if you're only going to utilize 1 house.

Funding for memristors is now being funneled into Known in the form of government contracts and commercialization (taxation) and profits for further research and development.  In other-words, the taxpayer is funding memristors through government contracts and profits from consumer purchases.

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