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joe

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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
« Reply #45 on: November 07, 2006, 02:38:16 PM »
Thank you all for your comments,

By swithing batteries at every 20 minutes or so they have lasted until last night.

So after 6 days the 3 batteries have lost their strength but not completly so I will leave this test cause I am working on others devices and also i don't have the skill requiring to move further in completing these tests. But it gives me a proof that we can recharge batteries other than conventional way.

Regards  Joe

Kator01

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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
« Reply #46 on: November 07, 2006, 03:16:04 PM »
Joe,


can you please finish this by giving us the info about the capacity of the batteries in  ?
Otherwise no one has gained an insight at all and cannot follow up with further testing.

Kator

joe

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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
« Reply #47 on: November 07, 2006, 04:15:46 PM »
Kator,


When you say capacity? Do you mean batteries voltage? Or load amperage?



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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
« Reply #48 on: November 07, 2006, 04:46:04 PM »
capacity of an batterie is the power in Amperes/1 hour.


Example :
Chargeable AA Batteries have about 2000mA/h  (500-2700 now) at 1,2Volt

Lead Batteries have 2 Volt each cell . Usefull for Hobby (most buy) are
 12Volt 7,2A/h. (6 celles inside)  Dimensions about 15x10x6cm  (Car Batteries are 40 to 80A/h).

So if when have have an Batterie that hase 2A/h  (2Ah) , this will powering
the fully voltage only 1 hour to an load that need  2Amps
Or 10 hours with 200mA load.

If you have an chargeable batterie (german: AKKU) . than it must be loaded with approx. + 20% of power  (losses!)



joe

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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
« Reply #49 on: November 07, 2006, 04:50:56 PM »
Ok Pese,

I will check them tonight and i will be back tomorrow with the readings.

Joe

pg46

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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
« Reply #50 on: November 07, 2006, 06:33:38 PM »
Hi-

 I did a few rounds with the 3 battery set up. I was using  the 1.2 volt type AA rechargables with  1750mah capacity.
 According to my few tests it was soon apparent  that I was going to loose power eventually. I think that this is a good system to get more running time with using your batteries( good efficiency!) but that sooner or later you will run out of power.
 I think the system using a battery and 2 capacitors has a much better chance of being successful.

Just my opinion

Best


allcanadian

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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
« Reply #51 on: November 08, 2006, 09:43:16 PM »
Hello
here is an interesting question - If you are using a light bulb which radiates energy as heat-which is lost, why would you think the system could magically charge the batteries?
If however the bulb was replaced with a coil which did not radiate energy-heat-but could do work on a rotor, then maybe the work the coil did would be enough to recharge the batteries. I don't think Bedini knows what he's doing or he's not telling the full story. Energy is conservative- the fact that it happens to move through a coil of wire does not change the amount of energy moving if no energy is radiated, it shuttles from high source(24v) to low sink(12v), the amount of energy does not change so only radiated losses can reduce the systems total.

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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
« Reply #52 on: November 08, 2006, 10:01:00 PM »
as they say energy can not be created nor destroyed but can only change form. so why not use its constant changing of form to run a motor? there must be a way!  :-\

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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
« Reply #53 on: November 08, 2006, 10:43:34 PM »
That's my guess, electrical energy to heat is a transformation I do not want. The most basic experiment you can do is to charge a capacitor through a DC motor. Count the revs on a computer fan motor on charge up of cap, when you discharge the cap through the motor without the battery connected you get the same rev's, so as far as the sum of energy is concerned the motor did not exist, so why do we assume the DC motor somehow used or destroyed energy? I have found there is only one requirement for a motor to produce work, current flow, we just assumed that we had to send it back to the source,why not just move the energy from one battery to another and not "use" it.

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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
« Reply #54 on: November 08, 2006, 11:12:40 PM »
That's my guess, electrical energy to heat is a transformation I do not want. The most basic experiment you can do is to charge a capacitor through a DC motor. Count the revs on a computer fan motor on charge up of cap, when you discharge the cap through the motor without the battery connected you get the same rev's, so as far as the sum of energy is concerned the motor did not exist, so why do we assume the DC motor somehow used or destroyed energy? I have found there is only one requirement for a motor to produce work, current flow, we just assumed that we had to send it back to the source,why not just move the energy from one battery to another and not "use" it.

have you seen http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,903.0.html :)

allcanadian

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« Reply #55 on: November 09, 2006, 07:14:54 AM »
Hey FreeEnergy
That is exactly what Im talking about! There are a few problems with it though.
1) the cost per watt storage capacity of capacitors is 100x that of lead acid batteries.
2)If your going to bother shuttling charges, the system should be perfectly conservative, that is a pulse of current should move from the source(example 24v) through a motor to the sink(example 12v). The power pulse is then the voltage difference(12v) times current flow(amps) times the duration of the pulse.
3) DC motors when switching short the Bemf wasting it,this shows up as heat and poor efficiency. AC motors have heat/resistance losses as well as conversion to AC losses, but better overall efficiency. I do not like either design- a better option is the Bedini SG a simple pulse repulsion motor. The SG let's the PM on the rotor attract to register(work out), then gives a short duration pulse to the stator electromagnet(minimal heating of coil,small duty cycle), the PM is repelled(work out), when the stator electromagnet is de-energized the forward current or Bemf is routed to the source(24v)as a high voltage spike or can be smoothed with a cap.This is drastically more efficient than conventional motors because of the operation and duty cycle.
4) If using the Bedini SG, the stator electromagnet is the input device. A separate coil should be used as an output, but this output coil should be out of phase with the input, that is the output should not happen at the same time as the input so you stagger the coils on the rotor. As well the output coil should charge the sink(12v) battery and not the two source batteries(24v).
I have learned this from trial and error, mostly error. If you want to understand why it should be done this way visit Bill Beatty's web site on what electricity is , as well as bedini's web site.
best of luck

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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
« Reply #56 on: February 28, 2007, 11:12:41 AM »
IMPORTANT!
All the information that user Tesla_2006 was given I allready knowed. This information is available for years in certain websites. Just talk about that information in a special way like Tesla_2006 did, and everybody beleives you have succesfully built it yourself!
It is interesting to see how many people are gullible beleiving everything without seeing a proof!
Before you congratulate anybody for his/her welldone work and success, investigate the facts. Without proof all is nothing but a story!!
Although the majority of scientists don't beleive in ZPE, they however are rigth to blame a non professional working and a lack of proof for statements. This fortunately does not concern all free energy researcher!
PK

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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
« Reply #57 on: February 28, 2007, 11:13:29 AM »
Hi Stefan,
you are telling us that the Tesla Switch is only working if we use mechanical switches because of needed sparks. This however, is not what Bedini and Bearden was talking about the Tesla switch! In a working Tesla Switch the batteries become a negative resistance because of different speed of electrons and ions. This in the end will gain more energy! It is important to pump a high current in a short time into the battery. If there is a spark or not is not of importance.
PK

allcanadian

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« Reply #58 on: February 28, 2007, 05:01:46 PM »
@ fesearcher
It's important to understand a mechanical switch produces no heat, has no voltage drop where a transistor does. The spark is high voltage returning to source, high potential(Bemf) to low potential(source), which no transistor can handle to date.
An inductor converts incoming low voltage Emf, to magnetic field, on collapse there is a transformation, Bemf changes low voltage to near static charge.
So there is a huge difference between mechanical switches and transistors, they are not the same.

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« Reply #59 on: February 28, 2007, 09:09:15 PM »
Good Points AllCanadian-

 The tesla 4 battery system has really huge potential. You are right, let's be rid of any unneccesary heat losses and use mechanical switching systems.
 I have dome some minor testing so far and the system really does look promising. At the worst case, it would at least be a very efficient use of energy with only very small losses if any.
 
thanks for your input