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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
« Reply #90 on: September 28, 2008, 08:02:05 PM »
Last Firday I was able to hook up my home-wound bifilar coil in place of the stock (sort of) solenoid coil.  I CA'd another neo magnet to the upper portion of the switch contact arm and was able to clamp the new solenoid in place to act on it.  Once I switched the working 250V 22uF cap over to a recently acquired photo-flash 270V 130 uF cap it took off and ran great.  In fact I could remove the extra alligator clip weight at the top of the switch arm and it would clatter along at around 48Hz (an all time high new record).  Checking the second coil revealed very small bemf spikes, probably due to the arcing on the contacts and therefore no bemf at all as MSCoffman had said.  But I was not 100% confident in these results since the temporary set up had the new solenoid clamped to a steel bar.  I wanted to rule out all the other magnetic effects and so set forth on building a not conductive set up again.

After several delays including replacing a broken power strip that came with the house (that caused me to get shocked when I plugged in metal bodied power tools) and a trip to the zoo (great fun for the baby and all), I was able to finish rebuilding the set up with the home-wound coil mounted to a solid, non-conductive test platform again.

Still no bemf on the secondary coil.  MSCoffman wins again.  Not that I really expected anything else, but it was one more simple test to take advantage of and gain the first hand experience.

The new coil ohms out at 28.6 now, but rises to about 29.2 as it heats up due to the high current draw.  I placed the secondary coil in series to increase the resistance.  I then placed a 25 ohm potentiometer in series to see those effect.  Increasing the resistance (lowering the current) decreases the frequency.  So does pushing the CG of the switch arm further away from the pivot point by adding weight (alligator clip or neos) higher up on the switch arm.

So I believe I've got a system that is tunable in two ways:  electrically, and mechanically.  I wonder if it is possible to tune them to the same frequency, but 90 degrees out of phase?  I think it might be, because one thing I noticed:  No matter how much extra resistance I added to the solenoid circuit it would always land on the the contacts that charges the solenoid and cap for the same relative percentage of the switching period.  I thought I might be able to have it stay on the contact for a shorter amount of time by adjusting the electronics, but this seems to be regulated by the mechanical frequency through the inertia of the switch arm.  So it may be possible to retard the break of the contacts (inductor and cap discharge start) to be 90 degrees out of phase with the make of the contacts (inductor and cap charge start) with regards to the electrical resonance frequency.  Just random thoughts...

Questions for any and all:

1)  Should I be trying to tune electrically for an 18 V pulse since the solenoid is receiving alternating +9 V to -9 V DV input?
2)  Does breaking the circuit because of the break before make nature of the relay mean that tuning this circuit electrically is not possible?
3)  Where the hell is my induction meter?
4)  How is a "photo-flash" cap different from any other electrolytic cap of the same V an F ratings?

I'm also seeing another limitation in the mechanical build of my relay.  My pivot has too much slop for these higher frequencies.  The pin is just too loose in the pivot tube, making for a sloppy hinge.  If I can find some .030" carbon fiber rod it could greatly improve the fit and hopefully improve self lubrication.  I've got some .020 from the local hobby store from an old project so I am hopefull they have what I want locally.

M.

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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
« Reply #90 on: September 28, 2008, 08:02:05 PM »

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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
« Reply #91 on: September 28, 2008, 11:55:06 PM »
Hi!

I cannot give you any counsel now because I still dont understand your arrangement. But I can tell that I did a replication of a circuit I found somewhere in this site maybe. And I am charging batteries with it. It is made with only 4 diodes and four batteries like the tesla switch, but simpler. If anyone wants me to post the circuit I will.

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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
« Reply #92 on: September 29, 2008, 02:39:26 AM »
Jesus why ask permission why not post it  ???

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« Reply #92 on: September 29, 2008, 02:39:26 AM »
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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
« Reply #93 on: September 29, 2008, 03:10:06 AM »
Hi!

The circuit is very simple.

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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
« Reply #94 on: October 03, 2008, 11:51:14 PM »
I had a total breakdown of the relay early last week.  I was cutting down the switch contact arm to increase the switching frequency and dislodged the magnet.  While trying to disassemble the set up to repair *without* completely breaking down the external solenoid stand I bent the switch contacts.  It would still run but would never give a symmetric trace again.  So I built #4.

I was very proud of #4.  It was the first time I had been able to construct one of these modified relays without dropping and bending either the switch arm contacts and/or the base contacts.  I also was able to incorporate the .030 carbon fiber switch pivot pin, though it is still too loose.  I think I'll swage the aluminum tube down a bit on the next build.

So everything looked exceedingly great until I tried to fire it up.  It ran, but the trace was just wrong.  After ringing it all out I realized that switch 1 and 3 common were shorted.  They were both making contact with the aluminum hinge tube!  And once together, the "relay" is not able to be fully disassembled, so I tried to repair as best I could while assembled.  Long story short:  I destroyed and then removed contact #1, leaving only three working dual throw contacts.  But I had also reread the Eike Mueller report on testing with Tesla switch with Bedini and realized figure T-6 was the design for the Tesla switch set up using only three dual throw contacts.  I had wanted to test how this compared to the four switch design, but that is not possible with this relay iteration.  But at least I could continue to use my current relay and rewired to the Mueller report set up, which is exceedingly more elegant (go figure).

The goal of this relay build was to eliminate any unnecessary mass down by the switch contacts, like the neo that was present from when I was using the internal solenoid.  Hopefully this lighter switch arm will allow for running at higher frequencies if needed.

So I hooked up the 9V NiCds to the Mueller design and it ran great.  In fact, I soon learned it would run WITHOUT the cap!  It arcs across the contacts when I run it like this and made quite a bit of RF interference that was picked up by the baby monitor I had with me when I first got it running.  Very exciting.

I picked up four small 6V SLA's this morning and have them installed in place of the NiCds now.  Now it's time for some experiments.  The magnet being push/pulled by the solenoid coil is now mounted to it's own adjustable plate so it can be moved up or down the switch arm.  The solenoid can also be adjusted up and down and closer or further away from the magnet.  I have other magnet sizes to play with as well.  So I think I can adjust all the mechanical and electrical properties to run at different frequencies.  Anything anyone would like tested?

Here are some pictures of the voltage traces across the solenoid.  I am running now with a 200V 6.8uF cap just to suppress the arcing.  That trace is pretty clear and at 2V/div.  The other is a blurry shot of running with no cap to show the voltage spikes as the contacts make (bounce) and break.  I tried 4 times and could not get it to focus better so gave up.  It still gets the point across.  The scope is set at 10V/div to show the spikes.  If I set the probe to x10 the spikes can be seen hitting close to 300V.

Oh yeah, I finally got my DMM with LCR measuring capabilities.  The first order did not go through I guess.

Thanks,

M.

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« Reply #94 on: October 03, 2008, 11:51:14 PM »
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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
« Reply #95 on: October 05, 2008, 11:27:13 PM »
Relay build #5 took care of all the outstanding mechanical issues that I could think of.  I swaged the aluminum pivot tube so it has less clearance on the carbon fiber pivot pin.  I also used 34 gage magnet wire from the ends of the 24 gage coming off the switch plate common connections back to the connectors that plug into the base to eliminate the drag that was bugging me again.  Even with this mod the wave form is not symmetric when scoped at lower frequencies (15~30 Hz).  So I can only believe that the push and pull force of the solenoid on the perminant magnet is not equal, due likely to the two different poles of the PM being at different distances from the center of the solenoid while switching.  Unless there is some other unsymmetrical aspect to this build now.  The only way I can think to get around this would be to use two solenoid coils and two magnets so it would push and pull at the same time both ways, or limit it to just pushing or pulling on each side.  Setting that up to be completely symmetric would likely be more than I could stand at this scale (to small).

I've trimmed the switch arm back over the day until she is running at about 100Hz.  I cannot measure exactly since the trace on the o-scope is not stable unless I add a cap, and then it sounds like it changes frequency a bit.  Not really sure.

Throughout the weekend all 4 batteries have slowly been dropping in voltage.  Sometimes one goes up while the others go down.  I have had it stable with no drop in voltage for over 2 hours when running at about 80Hz, but well withing measurement error I believe.

FYI, I have screwed the "relay" to it's base to minimize losses to vibration.

One interesting thing is I cannot measure some of the batteries unless I hook up the scope or a cap.  The voltage will jump around +- several volts unless those are in the circuit.  I connect the scope only to take voltage readings now since the scope must be loading the circuit.

M.

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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
« Reply #96 on: April 21, 2010, 09:36:12 PM »
Common rechargeable batteries are free energy devices, is not neccesary build a special battery, I get many kilowatts from battery banks for many years without recharge that and I want resume here my experience
 In all electric circuit there is 2 main laws, energy conservation law ( Kirchoff voltage ), charge conservation ( Kirchoff current), this last law is bad in use, when we connect a battery to a resistive load there is a charge flow between the poles, that charge for that law don't loose but goto the opossite pole for get the equilibrium, negative and positive charges go in neutral condition, in any electric circuit the charge in the system
go in conservation, if we move the charges from the battery to the load and then from the load to the battery the energy flow will be for ever
 Nikola Tesla at the ends of the 19 century was using common batteries of that epoque for power his remote control vehicles, he build vessels with DC motor
powered form a bank of 4 batteries, that vessels was designed for travel arround the world for go to any place powered only for that battery bank and never
that batteries go in discharge, Tesla known the charge principle of conservation and know how recycle that charges for get the permanent motion of current in the circuits
 In a battery there is 2 currents , the electronic current flow out the battery and an ionic current flow inside the battery, that ionic current is composed of
more inertia than the electrons flow out the battery ,then when we open the circuit the electronic current go fast to zero, but the internal ionic current go slow
to zero and then if we open a circuit when a battery is in charge it remains in charge for a certain time
 A battery is like a condenser but is not a condenser in the exact term, but when there is a current from a battery it discharge and when a current goto a battery
it charges, for get that charges flow between the battery and the load we must to have at least 3 batteries as show in the following

Case A

*********Rload*********
*                                    *
*            -----> I             *
2                                    *
*                                    *
*                                    3
*                                    *
1                                    *
*                                    *
*                                    *
**********************

 1,2,3 are the batteries, 1 and 2 in series, positive of 1 join to negative of 2 and positive of 3 join to positive of 2

When the system start 1 and 2 are fully charged for example 12V and 3 is discharged or with low voltage, for example 1 Volt, then there is a current flow across the resistive load
and the initial voltage in the load 24 V at maximun power, then 3 begins in charge and 1 and 2 begins in discharge but always in all time the total charge in the system is the same, charges
outgoing from 1 and 2 are received for 3, if that configuration is permanent the system get the equilibrium and the current go to zero but always the charge will be the same in the system
 For sure there is a constant current flux the system never must go in equilibrium, then when 3 is being charged we change the configuration to the following

Case B

*********Rload*********
*                                    *
*                -----> I         *
1                                    *
*                                    *
*                                    2
*                                    *
3                                    *
*                                    *
*                                    *
**********************

 In this position 1 and 2 begins discharged at the same voltage and 3 with the few voltage got before cause now a low current for the load but 3 begins in charge because there is the same internal current
than in the case A in the internal of 3, 1 follow giving his charge, 2 begins in charge, the total charge follow constant and then we go to case C


Case C

*********Rload*********
*                                    *
*                -----> I         *
3                                    *
*                                    *
*                                    1
*                                    *
2                                    *
*                                    *
*                                    *
**********************


 Here 1 restore his charge from 2 and 3, 2 remains in charge for the intertial internal currents


and so in the next conmutation we have a new cycle in the case A but charge is the same, if the internal intertial currents don't was considerated 3 will be with the same charge and voltage but if we design the conmutation
frequency is the adecuated 3 finish with more charge and there is more charge in the system but with or without taht charge excess the system remains in constant discharge-charge autopowered for ever
 My firsts tests was with little Ni-Cd batteries of 9 V and bulbs and the system never stop for months
 With this 3 batteries the load voltage may be inadecuated for a specific load 24 V in load for 12 V batteries

 For get the maximun performance Tesla then use 4 batteries in the following setup


Case A


*********Rload*************
*                                      *   *
*                  -----> I         *   *
2                                      *   *
*                                      *   *
*                                      3   4
*                                      *   *
1                                      *   *
*                                      *   *
*                                      *   *
**************************

1 and 2 in series , 3 and 4 in paralell, 1,3,4 have the same negative pole, 3 and 4 are in serie with diodes for don't existence of currents between them, at start all batteries are full charged and so, 1 and 2 go in discharge passing his charge to 3 and 4
and if all the batteries are the same and of 12 V there is 12 V in the load ai maximun current I and power, then after a certain time the setup changes to the case B


Case A

 **********Rload********
 *   *                               *
 *   *                               *
 *   *             I <-----       *
 *   *                               3
 1   2                               *
 *   *                               *
 *   *                               4
 *   *                               *
 *   *                               *
 **********************

Now changes, 1 and 2 in paralell with his diodes and 3 and 4 in series, 3 and 4 return the charges to 1 and 2 and I invert his direction to maximal power and so the cycle repeats and the system remains autopowered for ever


 Depending of battery quality the system for many kilowatts remains autopowered for years not only for the charge conservation law, beside for the inertial ionic current effect appears a excess of charge

 I test and use this devices with resistive load and DC motors and DC / AC converters

 Control circuits are oscillators and power actuators are diodes and transistors
 Of course batteries are not designed for eternal life but with this methods you never need recharge in all his useful life

 In consequence any common battery is a free energy device


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« Reply #97 on: April 22, 2010, 12:18:25 AM »
ANY TRYING , to construct an working concept since 2006 (i follow
this) ist damned to unworking. Evebn to do this with relay,
(any diode and transistor produce additionally losses  with voltage drops).
So you must only first to  remember (see the loading instruction on
each Panasonic dry-lead battery). (o othe you will see instruchtions)
It must be loaded with near 20 % higher voltages over the nominal voltage
(14,4 /12,0)
It must be load with near 20% more corrent as the nominal A/h value
so an 7A/h wit  0,7Amp for 12 hours  (nit 10 !)

The battery is unload if the undervoltage is 10% (or 20?) under nominal
voltage of the battery.

Even in ANY WAY it have in ANY WAY more losses in the battery to load an unload,
so you have not any chance  to make from losses an gain.

Open your eyes and your mind. It is easy to accept this
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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
« Reply #98 on: April 22, 2010, 07:39:44 AM »
For more info on Tesla2006 see this link here at OU.com:

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