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Author Topic: Common batteries are free energy sources  (Read 70527 times)

Offline Tesla_2006

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Common batteries are free energy sources
« on: October 30, 2006, 01:57:12 PM »
Common rechargeable batteries are free energy devices, is not neccesary build a special battery, I get many kilowatts from battery banks for many years without recharge that and I want resume here my experience
 In all electric circuit there is 2 main laws, energy conservation law ( Kirchoff voltage ), charge conservation ( Kirchoff current), this last law is bad in use, when we connect a battery to a resistive load there is a charge flow between the poles, that charge for that law don't loose but goto the opossite pole for get the equilibrium, negative and positive charges go in neutral condition, in any electric circuit the charge in the system
go in conservation, if we move the charges from the battery to the load and then from the load to the battery the energy flow will be for ever
 Nikola Tesla at the ends of the 19 century was using common batteries of that epoque for power his remote control vehicles, he build vessels with DC motor
powered form a bank of 4 batteries, that vessels was designed for travel arround the world for go to any place powered only for that battery bank and never
that batteries go in discharge, Tesla known the charge principle of conservation and know how recycle that charges for get the permanent motion of current in the circuits
 In a battery there is 2 currents , the electronic current flow out the battery and an ionic current flow inside the battery, that ionic current is composed of
more inertia than the electrons flow out the battery ,then when we open the circuit the electronic current go fast to zero, but the internal ionic current go slow
to zero and then if we open a circuit when a battery is in charge it remains in charge for a certain time
 A battery is like a condenser but is not a condenser in the exact term, but when there is a current from a battery it discharge and when a current goto a battery
it charges, for get that charges flow between the battery and the load we must to have at least 3 batteries as show in the following

Case A

*********Rload*********
*                                    *
*            -----> I             *
2                                    *
*                                    *
*                                    3
*                                    *
1                                    *
*                                    *
*                                    *
**********************

 1,2,3 are the batteries, 1 and 2 in series, positive of 1 join to negative of 2 and positive of 3 join to positive of 2

When the system start 1 and 2 are fully charged for example 12V and 3 is discharged or with low voltage, for example 1 Volt, then there is a current flow across the resistive load
and the initial voltage in the load 24 V at maximun power, then 3 begins in charge and 1 and 2 begins in discharge but always in all time the total charge in the system is the same, charges
outgoing from 1 and 2 are received for 3, if that configuration is permanent the system get the equilibrium and the current go to zero but always the charge will be the same in the system
 For sure there is a constant current flux the system never must go in equilibrium, then when 3 is being charged we change the configuration to the following

Case B

*********Rload*********
*                                    *
*                -----> I         *
1                                    *
*                                    *
*                                    2
*                                    *
3                                    *
*                                    *
*                                    *
**********************

 In this position 1 and 2 begins discharged at the same voltage and 3 with the few voltage got before cause now a low current for the load but 3 begins in charge because there is the same internal current
than in the case A in the internal of 3, 1 follow giving his charge, 2 begins in charge, the total charge follow constant and then we go to case C


Case C

*********Rload*********
*                                    *
*                -----> I         *
3                                    *
*                                    *
*                                    1
*                                    *
2                                    *
*                                    *
*                                    *
**********************


 Here 1 restore his charge from 2 and 3, 2 remains in charge for the intertial internal currents


and so in the next conmutation we have a new cycle in the case A but charge is the same, if the internal intertial currents don't was considerated 3 will be with the same charge and voltage but if we design the conmutation
frequency is the adecuated 3 finish with more charge and there is more charge in the system but with or without taht charge excess the system remains in constant discharge-charge autopowered for ever
 My firsts tests was with little Ni-Cd batteries of 9 V and bulbs and the system never stop for months
 With this 3 batteries the load voltage may be inadecuated for a specific load 24 V in load for 12 V batteries

 For get the maximun performance Tesla then use 4 batteries in the following setup


Case A


*********Rload*************
*                                      *   *
*                  -----> I         *   *
2                                      *   *
*                                      *   *
*                                      3   4
*                                      *   *
1                                      *   *
*                                      *   *
*                                      *   *
**************************

1 and 2 in series , 3 and 4 in paralell, 1,3,4 have the same negative pole, 3 and 4 are in serie with diodes for don't existence of currents between them, at start all batteries are full charged and so, 1 and 2 go in discharge passing his charge to 3 and 4
and if all the batteries are the same and of 12 V there is 12 V in the load ai maximun current I and power, then after a certain time the setup changes to the case B


Case A

 **********Rload********
 *   *                               *
 *   *                               *
 *   *             I <-----       *
 *   *                               3
 1   2                               *
 *   *                               *
 *   *                               4
 *   *                               *
 *   *                               *
 **********************

Now changes, 1 and 2 in paralell with his diodes and 3 and 4 in series, 3 and 4 return the charges to 1 and 2 and I invert his direction to maximal power and so the cycle repeats and the system remains autopowered for ever


 Depending of battery quality the system for many kilowatts remains autopowered for years not only for the charge conservation law, beside for the inertial ionic current effect appears a excess of charge

 I test and use this devices with resistive load and DC motors and DC / AC converters

 Control circuits are oscillators and power actuators are diodes and transistors
 Of course batteries are not designed for eternal life but with this methods you never need recharge in all his useful life

 In consequence any common battery is a free energy device


 Thanks

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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2006, 06:18:55 PM »
Hi Tesla_2006,

This seems a little vague for me to fully understand what you are proposing exactly.

When you say that after a period of time the configuration is switched, what period of time do you mean? Is it after the first configuration is discharged and the bulb no longer lights, or is it after an hour, or after a minute, or what time period is used?

Also, are there any other components left out of the diagram, such as resistors, capacitors, etc. Maybe you could give a more exact diagram. Components clearly identified, such as 9 volt battery, 2 volt light, etc.
Perhaps you could clearly label a configuration that you successfully operated for a long period of time. This would be very much appreciated and would help a great deal to clarify what you mean.

Thanks for all your effort. We appreciate the information.


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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2006, 07:04:06 PM »
Hi Tesla_2006

 Very cool thing you got happeneing there. You have explained it very well although I too aren't completely sure about some of your connections. For example where are the diodes installed and in what direction? Like resinrat says it would be nice to know more about the switching circuits.
 A clear diagram of the most basic system will be helpful for sure in clarifying the concept.

But thanks for sharing this interesting idea and hope we hear more from you.

Best Regards,

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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2006, 07:04:06 PM »
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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2006, 12:41:24 AM »
Folks

please have a look at the picture attached.

Tesla_2006, please correct me if there is a mistake.
The reason for the diodes is that the batteries can not work against each other ( not one batterie o the same voltage-specification has the exact voltage like another ) because of small voltage-differences there would be a mutual ping-pong charge-discharge-efect. If left for some time  ( poles connected without Diodes) the batteries kill themselves.

Kator

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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2006, 02:12:07 AM »
Folks

please have a look at the picture attached.

Tesla_2006, please correct me if there is a mistake.
The reason for the diodes is that the batteries can not work against each other ( not one batterie o the same voltage-specification has the exact voltage like another ) because of small voltage-differences there would be a mutual ping-pong charge-discharge-efect. If left for some time  ( poles connected without Diodes) the batteries kill themselves.

Kator


have you tryed this configuration in real life? if so what were the results.

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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2006, 02:15:19 AM »
never mind

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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2006, 08:33:43 PM »
Hello,

You can take a look at this site. it gives details about battery recharging system and Tesla switch.

 http://www.linux-host.org/energy/bedtes.htm

Joe 

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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2006, 09:47:53 PM »
Hi Joe,

Thanks for the diagrams, but this is the part that is driving me insane.

Has anyone built a working unit that is in existance right now and is working. That is what I am looking for. Again, it says right in the website that the author never built it, and he thinks some things look wrong with it. Along with a warning that batteries could explode if something is faulty. This really makes me feel confident.

Helllloooooooooooooooo out there in the internet universe. Does anyone have a working unit. Helllllloooooooooooooooooo! Cruel world. Is the world filled with a bunch of con-men or is there a honest person out there who actually built something that is working?

Hopefully Tesla_2006, who started this thread and claimed to have operated a working unit, could give us an answer. We all wait with anticipated energy.

Sorry if I sound sarcastic but I am frustrated by this whole area. It seems filled with false hope and information. Somebody prove me wrong PLEASE!!!  Or is this just another Gravity-Mill? A great idea that doesn't work?

Come on people, cut the garbage and give us the TRUTH!!!!!

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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2006, 02:22:13 AM »
The belgian publication BE438189 (4.3.1940) from Edouard Paul
de Buyst explains a Motor/Generator/Battery-closed cycle-concept,
this seems similar  to the Tesla_2006 trials.

S
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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2006, 02:40:20 AM »
It could be,
that it only workswith mechanical switches, but not with transistor switching.

It might just need the Newman spark gap effect to get additional
charges into the circuit.... !

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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2006, 03:32:13 AM »
Resinrat,

You want to see a Working Gravity Mill???????

Have a look at this adress>


http://youtube.com/watch?v=hl8dM2wQB4k



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« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2006, 03:32:13 AM »
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« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2006, 01:10:24 PM »
Hi Joe,

 Thanks for the link, I watched the video but I am not convinced that this is a continuous moving apparatus. I believe the video is so short because it will start slowing down and stop. So, again we have a unit that does not do what it claims. It is slimly possible that I am wrong and this and it is an overunity device, but I don't think so. :-\

Our goal is a device that produces more power than is required to operate it. So far, I am still waiting for Tesla_2006 to give us a working circuit. I hope he does and that I am proved wrong, but I don't go for vague, untested devices. Let's have some specifics please, and thank you.

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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2006, 06:07:08 PM »
true, it's a 3d render 4sure

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« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2006, 06:33:29 PM »
Replication is the answer-

 I suggest some of us give tesla_2006's 3 battery set up a try. If you have some good results then you can move onto the 4 battery system. Regardless of if someone presents a system  very clearly or not it still needs to be replicated by people you know and can trust.
 Best yet is if you can test it yourself to see if the system has any merit or not. I say let's get 3 small rechargeable batteries and give it a try to see what happens.

Best,
 
 

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Re: Common batteries are free energy sources
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2006, 06:59:57 PM »
Hello,

Last night  I did the test with 3  / 1.25 volts rechargeble batteries and a 3 volts flash lite bulb. I did as per the attachement and to make a short story, the low battery was recharged after half of an hour. Finally all the low batteries were moved to position 2 and position 1 and they were recharged. I conclude that it is a working principle.
While testing, i can see that the bulb's light is dimmer  than with ordinary arrangement. I mean ( positive/ bulb / negative) Why?  i can't tell.
I will try it with 12 volts batteries as soon as I can get high voltage diodes for the set up.

Regards     Joe

 

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