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Author Topic: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water  (Read 43153 times)

Offline kolbacict

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #105 on: March 27, 2021, 11:49:34 AM »
I made it even more interesting. One plate was removed before the dielectric. The rest is insulated from water, and is additionally filled with varnish. Two such semi-condensers were lowered into the water at some distance. AC voltage was applied to the terminals. Two nickel grids were placed between them. A diode was connected between them. The gases started to go. HHO.
There was a real electrolysis!

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #106 on: April 10, 2021, 09:03:09 AM »
I'm not getting anything. >:(

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #107 on: April 11, 2021, 08:54:02 PM »
Damn it, has anyone observed any resonance phenomena in a water condenser?
Or so that it exhibits the properties of an ordinary capacitor? At least up to 30 MHz.
RF power absorption only. Works like a normal active resistance.
I'm not even talking about getting  OU HHO right now. :)
Just i wanted to see some kind of electrical resonance.

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #107 on: April 11, 2021, 08:54:02 PM »
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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #108 on: April 11, 2021, 10:39:49 PM »
Try Dr. Stiffler SEC Exciter Hydrogen production via diode, link provided a snap photo at 750Khz rf .. I have done this duplication and it works. will have to find video clips, I am suspecting that this is the basis for Zorgaphos and John Kanzius which worked at 15.75 Mhz...
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 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17xjF9cHDNc
Rf may be the best way to split water... frequency and voltage bias through plates as seen in the Zographos videos..

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #109 on: April 11, 2021, 11:03:52 PM »
Hello Acca,
related John Kanzius (R.I.P.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kanzius


Later in 2007, Kanzius demonstrated that the same 13.56 MHz radio frequency could be used to dissociate hydrogen and oxygen from a salt water solution, which could then be "burned."[16] Rustum Roy, a materials scientist at Pennsylvania State University, clarified that the dissociated hydrogen was burning, not the water itself: "The salt water isn't burning per se, despite appearances. The radio frequencies act to weaken the bonds between the elements that make up salt water, releasing the hydrogen.".[18]
Kanzius' demonstration received coverage from local TV stations.[19]


https://patents.google.com/patent/US20090294300A1/en              2006-11-13  Priority to US86553006P

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RF base : https://patents.google.com/patent/US5323329A/en

Dr. Stiffler SEC https://peswiki.com/directory:dr-stifflers-spatial-energy-coherence-sec-exciter-hydrogen-production-via-diodes 2010


the circuit is from 2007 : https://overunity.com/3457/selfrunning-cold-electricity-circuit-from-dr-stiffler/




http://www.rexresearch.com/zogrifoselectrolysis/zogrifos.html


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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #110 on: April 12, 2021, 05:23:19 PM »
https://www.ijee.ieefoundation.org/vol3/issue1/IJEE_13_v3n1.pdf


The pulsed power and conventional power inputs were analyzed in the Figure 6. The results show that the pulsed DC electrolysis is more effective and power savings.


 In maximum hydrogen output, power required in pulsed power is 0.57 Watts.


Whereas the conventional DC power required is 18 Watts.


The waveforms of the input power of the electrolytic cell are obtained by the high speed oscilloscope and found that it is the pulsating pulse of 200 nano second with frequency 100 MHz which is depicted in Figure 7.

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #111 on: April 13, 2021, 12:11:27 PM »
http://www.rexresearch.com/zogrifoselectrolysis/zogrifos.html

2016 :

 By using a single generator with a degree of efficiency of 30% with this production we can now produce 1680 kWh of electricity at a cost of metal of around 50 euros that is equal to 50/1680 = 0,03 € / kWh compared to 0,19 € / kWh  currently charged by Hellenic Public Power Company ( PPC)!




https://judbarovski.livejournal.com/


Antenna is jointed with radiators, heated by heat carrier or by any combustible or by solar beams concentrator. The said radiator emits a band of EM waves of about 100 THz interfered each with the others forming envelope band, can be filtered by the said antenna resonators of much less frequencies into electricity with high energy efficiency that can reach near 100% especially after recuperation of exhaust heat.

If using Plank’s Law on-line calculator for blackbody, the Radiant emittance is W = 50.8 kW/m2, and if Band Radiance chosen to be 10 THz around maximum, at 700 Celsius the said efficiency is 92%. and 109 kW/m2, 76% at 900 C. CAPEX is an order of magnitude cheaper than secondary battery






The Zografos system electricity KWh-price is also thermal generator efficiency dependent !


But for a total KWh electricity generation costs there is more than only "cost of metal" and thermal generator to calculate !


All inclusive and by serial industrial production (with all protection) we have to assume in minimum 0,03 Euro/KWh ,by 60% and more thermal generator efficiency !


no profit condition : production costs per unit x 2 = endseller/-consumer price

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #112 on: April 13, 2021, 09:49:59 PM »
H2power,
And if I also get hydrogen higher than Faraday from water , what will I get for it? :)

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #113 on: April 13, 2021, 10:08:27 PM »

related #110 :

https://www.ijee.ieefoundation.org/vol3/issue1/IJEE_13_v3n1.pdf


The input power required for the production of 0.58 mL/Sec with conventional DC source is 18 watts. But the application of nano pulsed power supply power required is only 0.58 Watts.

0,58 mL/Sec x 3600 = 2,088 Litre hydrogen per hour



https://www.idealhy.eu/index.php?page=lh2_outline
Under ambient conditions, a cubic metre of hydrogen provides some 3 kWh, equivalent to 0.003 kWh per litre.




0.003 KWh per litre = 0,006264 KWh for 2,088 Litre hydrogen


0,006264 KWh =


       6,2464 Wh by       a. conventional electrolysis  :18,00 Wh UNDER-UNITY PROCESS    6,2464/18
                                  b. nano-pulse electrolysis    :  0,57 Wh OVER-UNITY PROCESS      6,2464/0,57




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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #114 on: April 13, 2021, 11:29:52 PM »
Lanca thanks for the great posts I am still following them ...

Will comment later..

Enclosed is a photo my HV power supply primary 12 Vdc input 1 amp,  out put 3200v Ac at 4500 Khz about 120 watts output. 

This will be a pulsing RF voltage around the 64 plate dry cell..  I am also using "DEF" fluid in the cell as it is 30 % urea

and pure water..   Voltage split for DEF is .37 volts and has 4 hydrogen atoms.. So the Walmart sells DEF for $2.80 a gallon..



(DEF is diesel emission fluid)..   

 


Acca


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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #115 on: April 14, 2021, 12:51:21 PM »
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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #116 on: April 14, 2021, 07:08:56 PM »
Acca
Urea
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urea


In great abundance globally


Would be remarkable to turn waste into fuel/good use?

And of course this aura or plasma is on “must do” list for build topic here!
Thank you


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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #117 on: April 19, 2021, 01:36:15 PM »
my water absorbs, no, it just devours RF power.  At the same time it heats up.

Here we used to talk about thin water films. There were even patents on this topic.
And if you use a water-oil emulsion in the cell? At least it will be non-conductive.
And it will be possible to create a high voltage on the electrodes.
And also, possibly, a high potential difference will be applied to a micro-drop of water in an oil emulsion. What we need. What do you think about this?
Has anyone tried this?

 

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #118 on: April 19, 2021, 01:41:42 PM »
You're making it more complicated that it has to be.
In a WFC the water is a dielectric. Just like any electrolytic cap, a WFC can suffer dielectric breakdown!

                                                                     What is a dielectric breakdown?

"Avalanche breakdown within solids and liquid dielectrics is accompanied by chemical and physical changes that release gaseous byproducts. Pressure from the entrapped gas can contribute to further mechanical fracturing and electrical failure of surrounding solid dielectric material, and further weakening of dielectric strength in liquid dielectrics. In solids, dielectric breakdown causes irreversible damage, weakening it to the point where the dielectric can no longer perform its insulating function. In liquids, if power is quickly removed, the dielectric typically recovers most, or all, of its original dielectric breakdown strength and the associated equipment does not need to be taken out of service. Gases recover their original dielectric strength once power is removed and hot gases (from the previous breakdown spark or arc) have cooled down".
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https://www.quora.com/What-is-a-dielectric-breakdown?share=1

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #119 on: April 19, 2021, 02:37:26 PM »
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You're making it more complicated that it has to be.
In a WFC the water is a dielectric.
But I can't do it. Perhaps H2power can do it. But I haven't yet.
Only if I use "dielectric electrodes".

 

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