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Author Topic: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water  (Read 4076 times)

Offline Panos25

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There are two machines made from Petros Zografos.

One generates huge amounts of HHO and the other generates directly electricity.
The main principle of both machines is the same and they do not work with any kind of electrolysis.

The production of the HHO is done by bombarding water with high frequency electromagnetic waves in a scale of THz ( the exact frequency is kept secret).
In order to achieve the reaction we need two more things, one is a metal alloy ( again a secret, but it is made from very common metals, as the inventor says) and the second is a kind of colloid ( once again a secret, but there are no more secrets, this is the last one! :) )

In the process of HHO production the metal alloy disintegrates and the device producing almost 47 MJoule/Kgr = 13 KWh (per kilo of metal alloy) with a cost of 0.8 Euros/Kgr ( in the articles they say 7-8 euros/Kgr but in mass production it costs 0.8 euro/Kgr or less)
The power consumption of the electromagnetic wave generator is 350 mWatt which it is been produced from the device itself.

The device became known to the public from a popular Greek journalist Makis Triantafilopoulos by presenting it on his internet TV Channel of zougla.gr

There are plenty of videos presenting the device and opening it down to the core! there are no hidden wires or batteries.

It can supply power for devices like drills and heaters ( the device he is presenting on the TV show is 700W output)


Here are some links : (sorry almost everything is in Greek)

inventors bio: https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A0%CE%AD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%82_%CE%96%CF%89%CE%B3%CF%81%CE%AC%CF%86%CE%BF%CF%82

TV Show - Demo of HHO device: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaPonbPUQ_I&spfreload=10
TV Show - Demo of electricity production device: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sK9ceGtry8&spfreload=10

HHO device running a motorbike: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWQHV1zXcD0&spfreload=10

device tear down:
main body: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_Ps1R03WqM&spfreload=10
core         : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehbuUxqM4Zk&spfreload=10

The patent and schematics are here:
http://www.hellagen.gr/search/label/ΠΑΤΕΝΤΑ

site dedicated to the invention: http://www.hellagen.gr

You can find much more information by googling "Petros Zografos" or "Πετρος Ζωγραφος"

This subject was mentioned here before, in 3-4 posts in another discussion but I believe it worths a discussion of his own due to the big impact that creates in energy production.

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Offline EdChe

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2017, 04:49:21 AM »
What about 13.56 MHz?

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2017, 07:26:05 PM »
Test tube in an RF machine at 13.56 MHz with saltwater produces pure constant flame above it:

Water As Fuel Unlocked by Frequency Resonance:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8xYUDiSGDk

Salt Water Into Fuel (HD3 News):  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGg0ATfoBgo


"Instead of broadly slamming the water molecule with an offset voltage for hydrolysis - the applied voltage is specifically applied in a process that coaxes the hydrogen atom off the water molecule. For example, this is rather like getting a singer on precisely the right pitch to break a glass. In this case, to use the analogy, the glass is the precise bond geometry of hydrogen.

"This approach well result in a drastic reduction in the power or wattage required for splitting hydrogen from water. This means virtually unlimited energy from water on demand. The commercial possibilities are obviously planetary, revolutionary, carbon neutral, renewable and profitable.

"This technology can be upsized or downsized as required to accommodate small, medium or large generator systems as well. Other engines for our consideration would be older diesel trucks that will have great difficulty in passing future emission regulations. In fact this market is huge."

More examples:
Produce clean gaseous fuels for gas welding equipment
Hydrogen for various applications including in ceramic fuel cells for converting it directly to electricity
Oxyhydrogen for industrial use
Hot water heater, stove, domestic furnace
Fuel enhancement to improve combustibility
Fuel vehicles, tractors, generators of all kinds, pumps, heavy machinery


A Resonant energy transfer.
Up to 1500 degrees Centigrade.

Ed.

Source:  http://breakthru-technologies.com/technologies/fractal-field-technologies

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2017, 07:26:05 PM »
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Offline pomodoro

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2017, 02:19:10 AM »
Its good to be excited about these claims but take them all with a grain of salt. The first law of thermodynamics dictates that no matter how you break up the water molecule, the same energy is required. In other words they all use the same energy. Considering normal electrolysis is already quite efficient if done properly, when you take into consideration fancy power supplies, rf generators etc, these other methods, if they actually work, will use more power than a simple DC setup for electrolysis.

Offline Sergh

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2018, 05:10:34 PM »
A homemade generator at 22 - 24 GHz is ready. What's next?

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Offline memoryman

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2018, 05:58:02 PM »
The original article mentions THz; the photo show 17-26GHz. Care to explain?

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2018, 07:55:56 PM »
The original article mentions THz;
This is technically impossible. All equipment, waveguides, filters, etc., which we see on the video Zografos, no more than 20 -25 GHz.

For the THz range, it would be completely different equipment. It is hardly possible to buy it.

The spectrum analyzers on its video are no more than 1 - 1.5 GHz. Their description can be found on the Internet by reading the model from the video.

Flexible gold-plated waveguides no more than 10 - 12 GHz. This is determined by the size of the hole.

Cross section of standard waveguides:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waveguide_(electromagnetism)

Standard waveguide type WR3 is for frequencies not more as 220.00 - 330.00 GHz. There are no standard waveguides of higher frequencies.

The internal window size of such a waveguide is very small, 0.0340 × 0.0170 inches. Only a very small ant passes through this waveguide. I cannot see this small waveguide on Zografos video.

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Offline memoryman

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2018, 09:32:33 PM »
I am not disagreeing with you: just pointed out the discrepancy.

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2018, 06:09:23 PM »
Its good to be excited about these claims but take them all with a grain of salt. The first law of thermodynamics dictates that no matter how you break up the water molecule, the same energy is required. In other words they all use the same energy. Considering normal electrolysis is already quite efficient if done properly, when you take into consideration fancy power supplies, rf generators etc, these other methods, if they actually work, will use more power than a simple DC setup for electrolysis.


What you say is true about normal electrolysis, but you can make it way over 100% efficient for hydrogen production. You are going to say how is that possible?


Well you don't need the oxygen, in fact the oxygen mixed with the hydrogen is in most cases a problem. So what do we do with the oxygen?


You use it to oxidise a metal (nickel oxide to nickel hydroxide oxide is excellent). Oxygen is a very electromotive atom, it is what creates the charge in rechargeable batteries.


This you use to create more hydrogen and the system was invented by me for cheap hydrogen production from water, given free for anyone to use. It has been published and replicated, it is called SMD hydrogen from water, it reduces power input by over 30%.


Regards


Mike 8)

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
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Offline Paul-R

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2018, 06:25:31 PM »
The first law of thermodynamics dictates that no matter how you break up the water molecule, the same energy is required. In other words they all use the same energy.
Bob Boyce et alia put that argument to bed years ago. Do you still believe that nobody has exceeded Faraday's rule?

John Worrell Keely got results from 42.8khz, a figure used by Bob Boyce, along with one octave lower and another an octave lower than that, all at the same time. Clipped sharp pulses.

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2018, 04:44:46 PM »
I do not understand how Zografos converts hydrogen into electricity. Membranes do not allow to be obtained a large current and voltage  by a simple method.
This patent can clarify this, with using Circuit 3, but probably it is not so easy as described:
https://patents.google.com/patent/RU2409704C1/en

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The chemically pure water at a temperature of 25 ° C for about one to 5 × 10 September molecule dissociates according to the scheme 2 O↔N H + + OH - [Physical Encyclopedia.   T.1, M .: «Soviet Encyclopedia", 1988, s.296].  When exposed to varying electric, magnetic and electromagnetic fields to water (aqueous electrolyte), the frequency and direction selectively effects affect the degree of water dissociation.   The mechanism of this influence is explained as follows.    Vibrations of molecules - one of the basic types of intramolecular motion, wherein there is a periodic change in the relative location of the nuclei of atoms constituting the molecule.   The water molecule has two valence vibrations and one strain [Physical Encyclopedia.   V.2, M .: "Soviet Encyclopedia", 1990, s.405].  In addition, the atoms in interaction with each other in a condensed medium to which the liquid and solid state, always acquire electric charge, becoming positively or negatively charged ions [Physical Encyclopedia.   Vol.1, M .: "Soviet Encyclopedia", 1988, s.694, 695].   Thus, atoms in a condensed medium can be regarded as mechanical mikroostsillyatory having a certain mass and electric charge.   When exposed to the condensed medium by an alternating electric, magnetic or electromagnetic field oscillating ions interact with these fields, forming a mechanical oscillating system.  If the natural frequency of the chemical element is a multiple of the frequency of the alternating field acting atom, resonance occurs at harmonics [Physical Encyclopedia.   Volume 4, M .: Scientific Publishers "Great Russian Encyclopedia", 1994, s.308, 309].  The kinetic energy of the resonating atoms increases, thereby increasing the probability of breaking of covalent bonds between hydrogen and oxygen, and the degree of dissociation of water increases.
   Experiments on the effects of alternating electric fields conducted in distilled water.  Of a plurality of natural frequencies of water molecules for resonance oscillations impact frequency used in relation to which the natural frequencies of oscillation of the hydrogen atoms relative to the oxygen atoms and oxygen atoms with respect to the hydrogen atoms are multiple.  By calculation using the method given in the article I.M.Kavitskogo et al. "Mechanism of impact modifiers when structure formation in ductile iron, spheroidal and compacted graphite" [Kavitsky IM, Rushanik BA   and Demidov AA  The mechanism of structure formation impact modifiers in ductile cast iron with nodular and compacted graphite // Ironshaper Russia, 2008. - №10 str.25-29] determined frequency, in relation to which the natural frequency of the hydrogen atoms relative to the oxygen atoms and oxygen atoms with respect to the hydrogen atoms It is a multiple of.   They are respectively hydrogen for 9,735 × 10 11 Hz and an oxygen 6,133 × 10 10 Hz.   Capabilities allow the generator used to operate at a frequency of 0.1 MHz to 3.2 MHz.  From this condition for the experiments on the effects on the water chose two frequency groups: the first group with a deviation from the multiplicity calculation of the oscillation frequency to the actuating frequency of the first significant digit of hydrogen and oxygen to 5%, the second group with a deviation from the multiplicity of more than 5% (see. table).   The frequencies of the first group: 0.106 MHz, 0.315 MHz, 1.64 MHz, 2.5 MHz.   The electricity consumption for the preparation of 1 m 3 of hydrogen when exposed to these low frequencies.
   The frequencies of the second group: 0.5 MHz, 0.7 MHz, 1.3 MHz.   Exposure to these frequencies less effectively.

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2018, 08:18:37 AM »
green matrix. generator 24 Ghz. how did you do it? the dragon hates me. Can not see there. :)
p.s. Oh, shit,I did not see above. Is that the one?

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2018, 12:34:51 PM »
The generator works, but creates a lot of harmonics. Need another Gunn diode. Those that are - at higher frequencies. Perhaps this is the reason.
Diodes are ordered from the online store. Will be in a week.
Now I'm thinking about how to use this generator. He is very weak.
It is necessary to invent a microwave input into water without big losses.

Offline kolbacict

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2018, 04:38:52 PM »
yet they say the Gunn diode oscillator efficiency is small.
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Now I'm thinking about how to use this generator. He is very weak.

place the diode crystal in water? why not, the voltage there is small.fill the resonator with water.
p.s. and if one of the resonators of the magnetron of the appropriate frequency is filled with water?  :)

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2018, 04:56:09 PM »
https://vimeo.com/262540126
denunciation of Kuznetsov overunity electrolyzers
« Last Edit: June 18, 2018, 07:22:14 PM by kolbacict »

 

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