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Author Topic: I have a proven model I built. I am looking for like minded people who know more  (Read 35637 times)

Offline Dog-One

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Hello again D-O,

I ask: Wanna learn about doing far better using a one piece part? : a Lever of the Fourth Class.
http://www.backgauges.com/Gen-E-Sys%20II/contact.html

Thank you for the invitation Michael.  I will probably be making contact sometime in the foreseeable future.  Have a few rough edges to polish off first.


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Thank you for the invitation Michael.  I will probably be making contact sometime in the foreseeable future.  Have a few rough edges to polish off first.

You are most welcome to do so.
 

Offline MeGaFaRR

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the first thing to consider is the ratio of gearing.
whether it be belt drive pulley diameter to diameter
or chain pulley diameter to diameter
gear tooth per rotation, etc.

once determining the ratio of rotation compared to the drive mechanism,
one can then determine the torque ratio available, from the prime motive force to the moved object.

from this perspective, one can determine how much energy is transferred from one wheel to the next.

this does not account for friction at the pulley bearings/bushings, or friction on the chain or gear teeth, etc.

when you state that you can "clutch to another sized gear without barely losing momentum in first flywheel"
how much momentum is actually lost? this is important, because it relates directly to the "energy" available from one flywheel to the next.
Thanks for the reply sm0key2:
You are probably the first one ever to respond to any question I have put forward. I really appreciate it. Now as I have stated in my paper all flywheels and ratios are connected with (1:1 pulleys and belts when using centrifugal clutches and sprockets and chains if clutch not required). I am not ever looking for excact answers as I realize there are way too many variables in any situation put forward.
My questions are meant to be general in nature so as to get a general answer, if I did say as you quote up above that I said "gear" as opposed to "flywheel", I apologize for that, I am always trying to transfer energy from one flywheel to the next. The diameters of sprockets or pulleys are of little concern if ratio 1:1.
Thanks

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Offline Here2njoy

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Frank,   
So glad you reached out to Michael and that you are looking for like minded people that might know just a little more.  I see in your comparison to a car transmission that you are heading on the right track.  Michael's work uses transmission like qualities & setups in the most interesting of ways.  I actually visited him several months back and he has quite a progression of devices over the many years that told me he has learned a very very lot along the way and continues to perfect his designs.  I look forward to your videos and the progression you will make as things "come to mind" and the acceptance of ideas that came before you (as you come to understand them).  I call them "AH HA" moments. Keep up the good work.

Offline MeGaFaRR

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Frank,   
So glad you reached out to Michael and that you are looking for like minded people that might know just a little more.  I see in your comparison to a car transmission that you are heading on the right track.  Michael's work uses transmission like qualities & setups in the most interesting of ways.  I actually visited him several months back and he has quite a progression of devices over the many years that told me he has learned a very very lot along the way and continues to perfect his designs.  I look forward to your videos and the progression you will make as things "come to mind" and the acceptance of ideas that came before you (as you come to understand them).  I call them "AH HA" moments. Keep up the good work.

Thank you very much for that connection, as Michael and I have spoken to each other on numerous occasions and have a lot more in common than just flywheels. This is the main reason why I started that thread just to start the conversation with like-minded people. To see how passionate people are about their knowledge and how guarded they can be. If nothing else, no matter how you get to any conversation and what you get out of it will always be what really amuses me. I love the fact that some will always be helpful, some who say nothing, some, who are there to learn, some to teach, some friendly, some not so much, but almost all will have a very deverse opinion of what is being discussed and all will take away different views of what was said.
I really appreciate all the opinions that have been posted, naysayers as well, as they are the usually the most humorous, sarcastic and enjoyable especially after I had requested that they not bother posting them. Please do continue the conversation on my behalf as I will be pursuing other problems in this wonderful world of ours that maybe "I can solve and save the world".
I bid you ADIEU
Frank

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Offline sm0ky2

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Thanks for the reply sm0key2:
You are probably the first one ever to respond to any question I have put forward. I really appreciate it. Now as I have stated in my paper all flywheels and ratios are connected with (1:1 pulleys and belts when using centrifugal clutches and sprockets and chains if clutch not required). I am not ever looking for excact answers as I realize there are way too many variables in any situation put forward.
My questions are meant to be general in nature so as to get a general answer, if I did say as you quote up above that I said "gear" as opposed to "flywheel", I apologize for that, I am always trying to transfer energy from one flywheel to the next. The diameters of sprockets or pulleys are of little concern if ratio 1:1.
Thanks

Assuming all the drive mechanisms are, as you say, 1:1 ratio - meaning system RPM is a singular value.
Then the variables of concern, are: Mass (and associated moment of inertia), and diameter of the wheels.
From these two variables alone, we can mathematically track the energy as it transfers from one wheel to the next.

Offline MeGaFaRR

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Well I skimmed through this thread.   It's kind of amusing with respect to YouTube because you can see all the other flywheel free energy plays in the YouTube related clips section, there are so many of them.  Even good old Chas Campbell made an appearance!

Alas, Frank's box o' flywheels is just your typical flywheel zero sum game.  You can only get as much out as you put in less friction.

The Cadillac solution for a single home would probably work, but of course it is simply way too expensive:  Below your basement floor a high-tech vacuum-bearing composite carbon flywheel is entombed in the ground.  Your entire roof is a solar array.  You might even have a windmill on your property.

Presumably, the energy that you can collect from solar and wind can keep your flywheel spinning such that you could power everything in your house with it, including the electric kitchen range.   If you had an extended period of weather with overcast days and no sunshine, you might have too dip into the grid once in a while.  Note however, that that might be offset by days where your flywheel is topped off such that you sell power back to the grid for a "net zero grid" usage.

It sounds wonderful, but it just costs too damn much.

MileHigh

This has to be the most ridiculous comment I've ever read. If anything proves to be overunity, then the cost would be irrelevant to anyone investing in this. Overunity would be the most precious gift anyone could produce for the world. So to say that this machine is too expensive is absolutely ridiculous.

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Offline AlienGrey

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This has to be the most ridiculous comment I've ever read. If anything proves to be overunity, then the cost would be irrelevant to anyone investing in this. Overunity would be the most precious gift anyone could produce for the world. So to say that this machine is too expensive is absolutely ridiculous.

Well to be perfectly honest (what's the mile high club about then ) nod, nod, wink, wink, know what you mean dot com ;)
anyway as I was saying 'honest' yeah, MeGaFar can you tell us where we can get the bits to play with? and is that the 70 squid motor of E-Bay you got from Germany ?

AG

Offline MeGaFaRR

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Well to be perfectly honest (what's the mile high club about then ) nod, nod, wink, wink, know what you mean dot com ;)
anyway as I was saying 'honest' yeah, MeGaFar can you tell us where we can get the bits to play with? and is that the 70 squid motor of E-Bay you got from Germany ?

AG
To be perfectly honest, I've never gotten anything of E-Bay. But I have gotten a few things off E-Bay, but not from Germany.

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