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Author Topic: I have a proven model I built. I am looking for like minded people who know more  (Read 35673 times)

Offline MeGaFaRR

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Does everyone agree that once the flywheel is at speed whatever the power source is, you have put in 100% of the stored energy you are going to put in? I'm not saying that's what you will get out, but no matter how long you rotate this flywheel with this power source, you will never add to stored energy?

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Minde91 kindly made translation videos, please watch to the end.

He skipped the useless beginning only.

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Minde91 kindly made translation videos, please watch to the end.

He skipped the useless beginning only.

Ok thank you. I did not watch for too long. My bad

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Offline MeGaFaRR

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Well I watched the whole thing. No English.
No translation, that was fun
http://youtu.be/44O3crS-B9k

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@MeGaFarr and all flywheel lovers:

Look at these flywheel energy storage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flywheel_energy_storage and you will understand better, what can be done with a fly wheel.

Remark: energy storage efficiency does not take into account the losses in the electric motor (about 60% to 80% efficiency) and the losses in the electric generator (also 60% to 80% efficiency).

One can put energy in a fly wheel by spinning it up e.g. with an electric motor. This takes time T1 and energy E1.

Then one can take out energy from a fly wheel by driving e.g. an electric generator, lets say we take out energy E2 for time T2.

Without losses we get T1 x E1 = T2 X E2.

But because we have losses (friction, losses in the electric motor, losses in the electric generator) we get T1 x E1 > T2 X E2 (less can come out as one has put in).

It is true that it takes little energy to keep the fly wheel running at a constant speed once it has reached that speed. But this is also a loss, because this "maintaining energy" can not be recovered.

In simple words: in the ideal case as much energy as is stored in the fly wheel can be recuperated. In the real case much less can be recuperated (because of losses).

I think that the mental error the fly wheel lovers are doing is the following:

Because it takes little energy to maintain the speed of a fly wheel (with no load on the fly wheel) they think, that this remains the case once a load is put on the fly wheel.

Greetings, Conrad

So everything I quoted in my paper is in this website. I did not change or break any of the rules described here. Please help me understand what you guys aren't seeing that I can plainly see.
Strange thing is whenever I've asked questions on this site, I never get an answer related to it.
I agree with everything on that site. F.E.S.S. Is what my whole paper is all about.

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Offline ARMCORTEX

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What are you saying, there is english translation on the bottom of all videos from that YT page.

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So far, I don't see that Frank has any intention of taking energy back out.  He just likes spinning wheels.  ah hum.   :D

As far as I can tell that is probably a stupid comment that is meant to be sarcastic, but like I will show you and everyone else, you are not too far off the mark. Dog-One, after a few more simple physics lessons, I learned as a child, that some of you with your physics educational blinders don't quite understand yet, I will try to help you along slowly. ok?
All I need is for some of you to answer some of my simpler questions that you have been expensively educated on. Then we will put 2 + 2 together so we can all understand.

Like I've said before I really don't appreciate naysayers comments.
If you have nothing constructive to add then please don't.

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Offline MeGaFaRR

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What are you saying, there is english translation on the bottom of all videos from that YT page.
I just went to YouTube again to watch it and there are no comments, nothing. Again probably because I'm using my crappy 8 yr old iPad and YouTube comes up differently then yours. I get shit like this all the time when my brothers on the phone with me and he's describing a webpage we are both looking at but I get slightly different view then his desktop with Windows

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Something for you guys to watch

http://youtu.be/03uC9bhX0Rc

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The Fibonacci Sequence - God's Mathematical Design of the Universe

http://youtu.be/8Vajq-UK2aE

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As far as I can tell that is probably a stupid comment that is meant to be sarcastic, but like I will show you and everyone else, you are not too far off the mark. Dog-One, after a few more simple physics lessons, I learned as a child, that some of you with your physics educational blinders don't quite understand yet, I will try to help you along slowly. ok?
All I need is for some of you to answer some of my simpler questions that you have been expensively educated on. Then we will put 2 + 2 together so we can all understand.

Like I've said before I really don't appreciate naysayers comments.
If you have nothing constructive to add then please don't.

I apologize Frank.

I don't pretend to "know" much of anything; but there are many things I "think" work a certain way.  I would love for you to show me something where I have to re-evaluate that thinking.

I did a bunch of Internet searching based on the acronym FESS (Flywheel Energy Storage Systems).  There are devices out there that have been built with the utmost of precision with millions of dollars of engineering know-how thrown at them.  What I have yet to find is one of them that shows a method of extracting energy in excess of what has been put into it.  If you truly have a way to do this, you have my attention.  I'd love to learn something new.

My comments probably appear to you as being a naysayer; that is understandable.  They really aren't meant to be so.  They are more of a jab to push you to the next level where we can really get down to brass tacks and determine what is and what can be done.  A man needs to know his limitations; especially here in this kind of research and development.  What do you say we push the limit, learn something together and drop the bias.  So many projects I have worked on with the end result always the same, the chips have to fall where they may.  Like it or not, believe it or not, the universe will not bend to our desires, only to our creativity.


Please help me understand what you guys aren't seeing that I can plainly see.

Maybe the opposite is true--we see something you do not.

I see power as related to energy transfer over time.  It looks clear to me this is an immutable relationship.  More energy in less time holds an equivalence to less energy in more time.  It's a balanced equation.

Are you seeing something in the dependent and independent variables we are overlooking?

The only factor I see any hope of capitalizing on is time.  If one could extract a massive surge of energy in nearly an infinitesimally small portion of time without adversely disrupting the rotating flywheel, that's a start, but we would still have to figure out what happens when we flatten that chunk of energy out over a longer period of time and determine if it exceeds the steady-state power flow keeping the system in rotation.

Here's a little example test...

Suppose we have a big flywheel rotating and we have a setup to shear a nail in half with the stored energy.  Say a spring with some holes aligned so that when we release the lock, the nail finds the two holes and is sheared apart.  Hopefully you can picture that in your mind.

If we do this and determine the flywheel did not slow down by any measurable amount in RPM, yet the nail was cut cleanly into which would typically require considerably power to cut by some other means.  Would this tell us something?  How often could we snap nails in half?  How much power would this appear to consume yet we see no noticeable speed reduction in the flywheel's rotation?  Does the power consumed to snap these nails, when all added up, exceed that of the prime mover keeping the system up to speed?

Just some thoughts to consider.


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To Dog-One:
Thank you for the note, I appreciate all the help I can get. You are most gracious in your apology. With that being said, I think we all deserve a pat on the back for continuing to try and solve overunity together. It is what this planet needs from us if we want to continue to survive on this Mother Earth.

To all my friends, family and others:
Again I could not sleep, I haven't slept since I started this project, the beginning of December. Last night while not sleeping, lol, I had a revalation. Everything that I've done on my project up till now has been done in other forms. Everything I tried to described to all of you has been around for a century. The fact that this is so simple will probably make you all sick that you haven't thought of it yet. There is no way in the world that this announcement today can be denounced. I have pretty well described it in my paper, in the paragraph "A Perfect Analogy".

Does a car at 100 mph have more momentum, kinetic energy or whatever you want to call it, lol, than the same car at 10 mph? So how do you get it there? Shift gears. This is what I've been trying to describe and prove with my concept only its already way easier and simpler than I thought. Just like a car that has way more drag, resistance or whatever you want to call it, lol, a flywheel with power source and a automatic transmission is all anyone will ever need to increase the output of that flywheel. Again this is what I've been trying to describe all along, once you get the flywheel rotating with the power source, you use the momentum, power source and transmission to shift gears to next gear. Just like a car, once you get that momentum going there is no stopping it, not without good brakes anyways. Again just like a car, once you get that rolling and shifting gears you'll have more than enough to power a generator to energize your power source.

Now if there is anyway that all the physicists, mathematicians or self proclaimed genius can disprove this theory here, let be known that I, Frank Dufault, will argue with them till I am blue in the face and die. Lol

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Hi Frank,

I don't consider myself a naysayer as I am actively pursuing OU myself.  However until you connect some kind of load to your machine and actually take some measurements of the input and output power all we have is a bunch of words making claims.  I don't mean to offend you and I certainly appreciate the time and money you obviously have spent building your very nice looking machine.  But it is time to show more than words.  Please connect it to a load and show what it can do.  The easiest way to do this would be to connect it to a generator and then measure how much power you can draw from the generator while measuring the power going to the motor driving your machine.  Pretty simple and if it works then you have proof for all the naysayers.

Respectfully,
Carroll

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The Fibonacci Sequence - God's Mathematical Design of the Universe

http://youtu.be/8Vajq-UK2aE

Watched and enjoyed both videos, picked up on a few things I was not aware of several years ago when I was looking at/for the effect of "The golden ratio" in/on my work, so thanks for sharing them.

 

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To Dog-One:
Thank you for the note, I appreciate all the help I can get. You are most gracious in your apology. With that being said, I think we all deserve a pat on the back for continuing to try and solve overunity together. It is what this planet needs from us if we want to continue to survive on this Mother Earth.

Your enthusiasm is infectious Frank.  I too have been thinking about this even though I'm trying to concentrate on another project.

Got an idea how to completely eliminate the clutch...

Radius.

We need a mechanism having bars of mass that are held close-in to the shaft.  These bars would be pinned on one end and attached to serious heavy springs on the other end--maybe even some sort of hydraulic dampener.  As RPM increases, the centrifugal force causes the unpinned end of the heavy masses to begin to swing outward from the shaft.  The springs/dampener need to be calibrated in such a way where the RPM is controlled so the mass doesn't just swing out too rapidly decreasing the flywheel RPM.  What we want is a nice smooth expansion of the masses outward while RPM is increasing.  I'm sure if we ran the numbers through some force equations we could determine the proper size springs for the mass they will be supporting.

Hopefully you can picture in your mind what I'm talking about.  Think of the spinning ballerina when she drops or raises her arms.

The interesting side effect we would see with such a mechanism is that when RPM is reduced, the springs would pull the masses back in creating a feedback that would speed the rotation back up without any help from the prime mover.  You would end up with a self recovering flywheel that within a particular range would always attempt to hold the same RPM.

What's ya think 'bout that?


 

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