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Offline core

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Re: Self Sustaining Electricity Generator
« Reply #45 on: February 23, 2016, 02:59:36 AM »

In this case also I find after you have pointed out the similarity that one wire is thinner and the other wire is thicker. I would guess that the output wire was thicker. But the patent claims are different. I will study this patent carefully but I lack knowledge here.

I will ask the Electrical student to study it. He can ask his college to fund this experiment.

Regards,

Ramaswami

Actually, I think you have it backwards. Coil C2 has the thicker wire and that feeds the load. One armature coil feeds the other side of the inductorium and that is the thinner wire C1.

What is interesting is that it appears that Lenz Law is being used to regulate the current to the load in a clever way. Lenz is reduced allowing more current to the load and then increased when the load changes. That is the initial impression I am getting.

If I am not mistaken I believe Figueras device also has both phases 90 degrees apart. When the (N) electromagnet is at full strength (1/4 wave) the (S) electromagnet is at zero. When (N) electromagnet is at 180 degrees the (S) electromagnet is at 90 degrees. Do I have this right?

I am defiantly putting this inductorium on my list of items to investigate.

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Re: Self Sustaining Electricity Generator
« Reply #45 on: February 23, 2016, 02:59:36 AM »

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Re: Self Sustaining Electricity Generator
« Reply #46 on: February 23, 2016, 03:14:05 AM »
This shouldn't be too hard to convert from mechanical unit to a pure electrical one.


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Re: Self Sustaining Electricity Generator
« Reply #47 on: February 23, 2016, 10:21:35 AM »
Core:

My funds are low. I have one and only priority now. To build two more primaries and two more secondaries.

Please show how the mechanical device can be converted to a motionless electrical device. We will try to build it here if possible. PM me for the detailed instructions. Let us see.

Also I'm not able to understand the 90 degrees and 180 degrees etc..I do not have that much of knowledge in Electrical Science or Electrical Engineering. We simply wind coils and check it it will work or not. What works we pick up from there and proceed. I do not want to corrupt my thought process by reading theories that have not worked to mimic what nature does routinely. So I'm not reading any books. The only things where I have followed the books is to put a fuze to prevent excess current flow and put a earth points. Rest of the ideas are based on what can work and what cannot work as experimentally verified by us. So I'm sorry I do not know about phases and waves. That has not gone into my mind some how.

In whatever frequency output comes if it is substantially higher than the input then the original input can be replaced and the device can be made to run on its own. Safety, sustainability and any one can repeat kind of experimental verification with full detailed construction notes so any one can use low tech, low skills and low cost material to construct the device to be put in to public domain is the goal. Let us see if it can be done. I think I can do it. Let us see..
« Last Edit: February 23, 2016, 05:36:04 PM by NRamaswami »

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Re: Self Sustaining Electricity Generator
« Reply #47 on: February 23, 2016, 10:21:35 AM »
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Re: Self Sustaining Electricity Generator
« Reply #48 on: March 05, 2016, 05:34:33 AM »
Motionless based on reply #47. The capacitor is used to create a 90 degree phase offset. There are many possibilities with this design. This is just one. The core is very complex to build and many here will not have the machine tools available.

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Re: Self Sustaining Electricity Generator
« Reply #49 on: March 05, 2016, 07:09:32 AM »
Here is a simplified diagram. Self exciting generator. Same as above but simplified.

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« Reply #49 on: March 05, 2016, 07:09:32 AM »
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Re: Self Sustaining Electricity Generator
« Reply #50 on: March 06, 2016, 03:58:46 AM »
If you can get your hands on that green Russian transformer it would be an EZ build. Here we have the same design.

- Core

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Re: Self Sustaining Electricity Generator
« Reply #51 on: March 06, 2016, 10:42:50 AM »
Core:

Heavy Litigation work on hand..I'm not able to understand much.

We build everything by hand. It appears that principles are all common.

You build a large core of small magnetic strength. Then compress that magnetic field and focus it on a small area and keep lot of turns of thick wire in that small concentrated magnetic field area. Magnetic field strength is higher there.  And you add more of same type of modules. A straight pole structure enables us to get bonus secondary coils here and at one point of time we have the output in excess of the input. For the output is generated when current moves in the primary in both directions. All secondaries connected in series get alternatively higher and lower magnetic flux. The combined output of secondary is based on the thickness of the secondary wire and the number of turns and the magnetic field strength of the focused area.

This requires a lot of iron. Lot turns of of thick secondary wires and lot of turns of thin primary wires. There is no ratio of turns here. Secondary turns are in fact lower than primary turns but thick secondary with lot of turns produces both voltage and amperage.

This is easier to build but quite a large device and so expensive to build. Easier to understand and implement. I do not understand how the feedback or exciting coil part works. I may be able to complete this only by the end of this month.

I will post pictures and results when I complete. I have another concept that requires testing. quite a lot of significant testing. So I'm unable to write on it without testing.

 
« Last Edit: March 06, 2016, 02:41:17 PM by NRamaswami »

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Re: Self Sustaining Electricity Generator
« Reply #52 on: March 07, 2016, 03:46:34 AM »
Self Feeding Generator:

The original patent drawing showed a generator with a outside prime mover, most likely a motor. There are two sets of coils 90 Degrees apart, this is nothing original or ground breaking. As you can see from the patent that one set of coils goes back to feed the inducer coils (fields coils). The second set of coils feeds the load devices. With just that said there is nothing special about the device. Actually self-exciting dynamo's had been very popular back then. There are numerous patents from the era that are wired in a similar manor.

What is interesting about this patent is the device refereed to as an Electric Converter. This by no means is this a complex device, it is in essence a simple iron core device with two winding's. According to the patent holder when two phases separated by 90 degrees passes the converter, Back EMF is destroyed. So one can say that this is a Lenz killer? Could this really be this simple? I have yet to try this, I have moved it to the top of my list of things to do. If what the patent holder states is true then building a motionless generator is as simple as pie.

In my drawings I remove the need of a prime mover and achieve the results by adding a capacitor to one of the inducer coils. In a capacitor Current leads voltage by 90 degrees. In an inductive circuit Voltage leads Current by 90 degrees. This combination creates the same effect as a rotating device. In my device the same Torque, as seen in a motor, is created by implementing a capacitor as shown. The only difference is that this device has no prime mover.

Having created the same magnetic torque the next step is to remove the Back EMF as the patent states. Here I do as shown in the patent drawing, an iron core with both winding's coiled through it. Both coils are separated by 90 degrees, so when the Voltage of Phase B is at 90 degrees the Current of Phase A is at 90 degrees. The picture below illustrates this.

I have yet to try this but plan to move on it soon.

- Core

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Re: Self Sustaining Electricity Generator
« Reply #53 on: March 07, 2016, 02:52:16 PM »
Core

I checked the last drawing. I think the output wire is surrounded by the thin wire. Is that correct or is the output wire and the thin wire are wound separately in parallel.

In a circular ring the winding would be CW in one side and CCW in another side. But on a straight pole if we wind the thin wire over the output or secondary wire it will match in phase with the primary. Any loss in current can be made up by the capacitor bank as shown by you naturally.

I have tried this without the capacitor bank but that was not successful but will now try with a capacitor bank. We will need a varistor to control the feedback voltage and a fuse to control the current flowing back to the primary.

How do we excite the coil arrangement then?

I have now built three large secondary cores for the Figuera device. Expect it to generate about 8000 watts output but will need to see. Will need to build four large iron cores for primary. Due to my lack of knowledge I'm not able to build small size devices though they should be perfectly doable.

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« Reply #54 on: March 13, 2016, 10:58:52 PM »
I have simplified the circuit even more, the below image is basically identical to all the others I have posted.
I put together an experimental unit in less then an hour out of scrap material I had lying around. The primary iron core with the two coils is 5/8 thick and 3.5 inches long. On this core, as you can see, there are two coils. They are labeled coil A and coil B. Coil A is 6 Ohms and Coil B is 36 Ohms.

I didn't have a light bulb socket so I used a multi-tap transformer as a simple load. This is shown in the drawing as C.  Item J is a Jumper wire that allowed me do disconnect the load. Input voltage to the circuit is 110 volts (Mains)
Points U1, U2, X1, X2, P1, P2 are measurement points. The capacitor shown in the circuit is a Run Capacitor from a motor rated at 35 uf.

I conducted a few simple tests on this setup. I will openly say that I did not spend much time taking measurements so I leave open the possibility of error on my end. I will conduct these tests again next week taking more time for measurements. Temperature of the iron core was only taken with my finger. Next time I will use a meter. Honestly, I didn't understand the readings so I will have to re-do everything because the reading make no-sense to me.

Here are the results:

Test 1
With 110 volts applied only to coil B and coil A disconnected the amperage at P1 & P2 was 1.5 Amps. Core heating was warm, no saturation or buzzing sound.

Comment: This is what I expected. A simple solenoid setup.

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Test 2
With 110 volts applied to coil B and coil A introduced as shown in the picture. The JUMPER is connected between U1 & U2. Amperage taken at P2 dropped to 1.0 amp. The iron core heated up quickly and so did the winding on coil B. There was a slight buzz coming from the iron core suggesting saturation. Coil A does not heat up at all.

Comment: Wasn't expecting total system amps to drop. With coil A being only 6 ohms I was expecting amps to increase do to additional work being performed. 
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Test 3
With 110 volts applied to coil B and coil A introduced as shown in the picture. The JUMPER is removed between U1 & U2. This introduces the transformer as a simple load to the circuit. Here the readings really get strange.
The voltage at U1 & U2 is 233 Volts. The multi-tap transformer is wired for a 110 Volt primary. The circuit amps at P1 are 3.1 amps. The circuit amps at P2 are 1.5 amps (Huh?) The output voltage of the transformer is 44 Volts.
The iron core is buzzing louder then all other tests and amazingly only the X2 side is Hot. It is so hot you can't touch it at all. The X1 side is only warm and you can keep your finger on it for some time. The winding of coil B are too hot to touch while coil A are not even warm.

Comment:
Lots of interesting things happening here. I can only suspect that the reason i am getting 233 Volts at the transformer points U1 & U2 is because I am reading a poly-phase due to the capacitor. However I would expect to read this after the capacitor and to the P1 point and not to ground.

What is really bizarre is how only the X2 part of the iron core got super hot (too hot to touch) and yet the X1 side I was able to touch. Does this imply that Eddy currents in the iron had been reduced on the X1 side?

Stranger still are the amp readings. Amps at P1 should of been the same at P2. Total circuit amps at the P2 point are only half. I don't understand how that can be possible, what happened to the other 1.6 amps in the circuit??? The neutral side of the circuit, as wired, should hold the total circuit amps.

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Test 4
This time I rewired the capacitor to feed coil B and wired coil A directly. The unit will not run as it trips the breaker. The buzzing from the core before tripping is horrendous. No readings could be taken as unit operation could not be sustained.


End of all tests.



Next week I will make an attempt to re-do all these tests. There are some anomalies here that may be operator error. The core heating on one side only is legit. Next week I will use an infra-red temperature sensor to get actual readings. The amp readings on the last test can't be accurate at all. They make no sense but I will verify next time.

One issue I have is that coil B in all tests, except test 1, heats up rapidly. Not sure what is causing this. I would expect some heating but this appeared abnormal. I also plan on using a load such as a light bulb or a small motor to see what the effects are.

Until next week.

- Core
 
 



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Re: Self Sustaining Electricity Generator
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Re: Self Sustaining Electricity Generator
« Reply #56 on: April 15, 2016, 02:14:57 AM »
Hi..

This is a new thread..

No Patents..Possible Improvements to known or imagined Devices of Electricity Generator Device

What is a self running Electricity Generator Device

You start the Generator with a small current and then ignore it. Generator produces the current needed to excite it and keep it running and also produces useful electricity output..

Tariel Kapanadze device is one such device shown on Youtube..

Other claimed Devices are Figuera Device, Hubbard Device, Hendershot Device, Daniel McFarland Cook Device, Ed Gray Device, Dr. Moray Device, Cater Device..

I have not studied any of them. However I have tested and produced with my limited knowledge COP>1 devices and so I know it is possible.

There are other rumoured devices..This is an open sesame thread.. Any one can post any ideas..Information,Misinformation, Diverting information any and all are welcome..

So Post all your comments here now..The problem is since I do not know any thing and I am neither qualified in this subject I will neither be impressed nor worried nor careless nor careful about any statements unless they are shown with the proof of the workind device.. Videos welcome. Mode of construction welcome..But all open source information only..

Only thing that is required is SRS Qualification of the Device.

Safety
Repeatability
Sustainability

and of course Low cost Low tech manufacturing techniquies. Least amount of parts needed so people on shoe string budget also can do them are the kind of things needed. Please post..


I need to know if this is a big deal or not:  My partner and i have made a very simple self sustained generator that keeps charging twin series connected 1.2 amp hr 12 volt batteries  for 8.5 hours straight. """The batteries power their own recharging."""  There is however one expensive component that needs purchased so the generator will power itself for a much longer time. Perhaps weeks.   Anything like this completed already??

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Re: Self Sustaining Electricity Generator
« Reply #57 on: April 15, 2016, 03:13:33 PM »
I need to know if this is a big deal or not:  My partner and i have made a very simple self sustained generator that keeps charging twin series connected 1.2 amp hr 12 volt batteries  for 8.5 hours straight. """The batteries power their own recharging."""  There is however one expensive component that needs purchased so the generator will power itself for a much longer time. Perhaps weeks.   Anything like this completed already??

Hi magnetman12003. Mr J. Bedini has various battery charging circuits which I think he claims
can be over unity. I think you would have to provide some more details before anyone could
comment on what you are doing. Two 1.2 AH batteries could run a circuit for quite a long time before
needing recharging, depending on the current draw of the circuit. You say your setup is self-sustained,
but you also mention it ran for 8.5 hours. That doesn't sound like it is self sustaining then.

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Re: Self Sustaining Electricity Generator
« Reply #58 on: April 15, 2016, 04:13:30 PM »

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Re: Self Sustaining Electricity Generator
« Reply #59 on: April 18, 2016, 03:37:06 AM »
Check this for a self sustaining no moving parts generator patent.

http://overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg480785/#msg480785

Norman


Really? That thread is a circus and not one person on there understands basic electricity. If they just spend 30 minutes a day studying Maxwell, Faraday and Henry they would realize just how silly there pictures and ideas are.


They have even gone as far as to claim That 100 volts at 1 amp was disclosed I the patent. NOPE it was a well placed lie by one of the members.
In the patent they talk about The Ideal Dynomo. The 100 volts at 1 amp was used as a theoretical value when using the Earth as a dynamo. So in other words it was a theoretical story. However some idiots there think they hit jackpot. I think they are smoking pot.




 

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