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Offline NRamaswami

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Self Sustaining Electricity Generator
« on: February 17, 2016, 08:51:49 AM »
Hi..

This is a new thread..

No Patents..Possible Improvements to known or imagined Devices of Electricity Generator Device

What is a self running Electricity Generator Device

You start the Generator with a small current and then ignore it. Generator produces the current needed to excite it and keep it running and also produces useful electricity output..

Tariel Kapanadze device is one such device shown on Youtube..

Other claimed Devices are Figuera Device, Hubbard Device, Hendershot Device, Daniel McFarland Cook Device, Ed Gray Device, Dr. Moray Device, Cater Device..

I have not studied any of them. However I have tested and produced with my limited knowledge COP>1 devices and so I know it is possible.

There are other rumoured devices..This is an open sesame thread.. Any one can post any ideas..Information,Misinformation, Diverting information any and all are welcome..

So Post all your comments here now..The problem is since I do not know any thing and I am neither qualified in this subject I will neither be impressed nor worried nor careless nor careful about any statements unless they are shown with the proof of the workind device.. Videos welcome. Mode of construction welcome..But all open source information only..

Only thing that is required is SRS Qualification of the Device.

Safety
Repeatability
Sustainability

and of course Low cost Low tech manufacturing techniquies. Least amount of parts needed so people on shoe string budget also can do them are the kind of things needed. Please post..

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Re: Self Sustaining Electricity Generator
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2016, 12:19:27 PM »
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However I have tested and produced with my limited knowledge COP>1 devices and so I know it is possible.

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I will neither be impressed nor worried nor careless nor careful about any statements unless they are shown with the proof of the workind device.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Offline Dog-One

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Re: Self Sustaining Electricity Generator
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2016, 12:37:12 PM »
I do not know any thing about Refrigeration or quite frankly speaking on any Electrical device. I'm a Lawyer and by some invisible force that kicks me that I have got in to this field.

We do not break laws here, so your services will likely sit idle.

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Re: Self Sustaining Electricity Generator
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Offline NRamaswami

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Re: Self Sustaining Electricity Generator
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2016, 12:57:09 PM »
Lens Law..is here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenz%27s_law

This can be cancelled in a single solenoid primary by winding coils like this.

Look at the Solenoid as a Vertical Solenoid.

Wind all the coils in the same direction.

Wind one Layer of Primary P1 from Top to bottom

Next wind a secondary coil from top to bottom in the same direction

Third Wind a second Primary coil from bottom to top in the same direction.

Give currents in parallel in the two primaries. This in effect produces two Lenz effects.

One Lenz law effect would try to counter the downward current with an upward movement. Another Lens law effect in the same secondary would counter the upward current with a downward motion. The upward and downward movements of secondary are each mutually opposite and cancel each other. In a nutshell you do this without the iron cores between the wires but here the wire is on the wire producing induction and the Central solenoid can be an air core or iron core. It may not entirely cancel out the Lenz law effect but may do so substantially.

Please do the experiment and come up with results and videos. Let us see what happens..

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Offline norman6538

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Re: Self Sustaining Electricity Generator
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2016, 03:28:24 PM »
I've been re-reading the former thread and making notes and last night awoke with
Figuera on my mind and had a Ureka moment of understanding. It all started with
increasing/decreasing wondering why this was necessary so here it goes.

My primary brain understanding comes first from descriptive words and then
from drawings. So here are the words first.

my Figuera functional part descriptions/concepts

1. 2 primary coils with secondary sandwiched between them called sets
2. motionless induction by varying the currents  -

 a. one primary   coil increasing and
b. the other decreasing. This is done
   by brushes on a commutator changing resistors that supply
   the primary. The brush has segment overlap so no break in circuit
   and back emf and sparks giving brush wear longevity.
   NO MECHANICAL MOTION OF MAGNETS OR COILS - THUS NO LENZ COUNTER TO
    MECHANICAL MOTION.
   
3. Pictue a brush is staggered over two contacts so that on the left
   the first segment has a small resistor going to "primary coil a" and on the
   right a long resistor going to "primary coil b". The second segment
   has a longer resistor allowing less current to "primary coil a" and
   on the right is a shorter resistor allowing more current to "primary coil b".
   Then segment 3 on the left has a longer resistor allowing less current
   to "primary coil a" and on the right is a shorter resistor allowing
   more current to "primary coil b". What this does is allows a strong magnetic
   field on one end and a weaker field on the other end BUT THIS HAS NO VALUE
   UNLESS THE COIL POLES ARE EQUAL and what that does is pushes the
   magnetic field from one end to the other through the secondary and thus inducing the secondary    coil similar to a magnet being pushed into a coreless coil where it
   makes a current as it enters and makes the opposite current when it
   leaves the other end and then can be pushed back through again. So you can see
   if you reduce the push on one side then the field from the other side will
    reach through the coil and make a current and then you can also increase
    the field in that end and simultaneously reduce the magnetic field in the
    other end and bring the field back out the end of the coil making a current.
     And this is done for the cost of the mechanical rotation of the commutator
      and the input current wattage.
     
    NOTE If the primary coil poles were opposite the flux would be addative
    and then you would ask why the increasing/decreasing currents? 
   
4. there are multiple coil sets that would allow each one to cool a bit
   while they are not powered.
   
   
5. A youtube shows repel neos with coil between and what that shows is
   a dense flux and a current is made with repel but not with different poles.
    Sorry - lost the url for that youtube.

6. What I don't know is where the extra current comes from. perhaps the repel
    concentration.  Surely  NO LENZ counter to motion allows more watts
    at the same input power unlike mechanical coil moving past magnet generator.

7. this youtube shows increasing/decreasing makes a current -
https://youtu.be/ScTHwo-Jaq4 7 mins Published on Dec 21, 2015
Jonathan Peters this one shows varying the field with a pot and it lights leds.
pot changes flux increasing/decreasing and makes current - lights leds.

   
8. The mechanical commutator could easily be replaced by a circuit to sequence the coils and then you would have lots of variations available for testing.

There are other things about the coils and wire size that I am working on now
but not finished.  - will post later.

I feel much better about this understanding.

Norman

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Re: Self Sustaining Electricity Generator
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2016, 05:28:09 PM »
Lens Law..is here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenz%27s_law

This can be cancelled in a single solenoid primary by winding coils like this.

Look at the Solenoid as a Vertical Solenoid.

Wind all the coils in the same direction.

Wind one Layer of Primary P1 from Top to bottom

Next wind a secondary coil from top to bottom in the same direction

Third Wind a second Primary coil from bottom to top in the same direction.

Give currents in parallel in the two primaries. This in effect produces two Lenz effects.

One Lenz law effect would try to counter the downward current with an upward movement. Another Lens law effect in the same secondary would counter the upward current with a downward motion. The upward and downward movements of secondary are each mutually opposite and cancel each other. In a nutshell you do this without the iron cores between the wires but here the wire is on the wire producing induction and the Central solenoid can be an air core or iron core. It may not entirely cancel out the Lenz law effect but may do so substantially.

Please do the experiment and come up with results and videos. Let us see what happens..
Okay. Thank you for answering my question. However this leads to another series of questions
1. Can twisted multifilar wire be used to make this type of Lenzless Overunity Motionless TrafoGen?
2. What best type of current can be used to power this type of Trafo Gen?
3. Provided I made 5 Primaries and 4 secondaries, how should the Secondaries be connected? Series or Parallel?
4. If I use Mtifillar wire to wind the primaries, will I not first have to connect the strands of each Primaries in series first  before connecting them to one another in Parallel as well you directed in your amswer ealier?


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Offline Glenn_FR

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Re: Self Sustaining Electricity Generator
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2016, 05:48:27 PM »
Hello,
If I understand NRamaswami correctly, he describes :  1st primary wound CW (clockwise); secondary wound CW; 2nd primary wound CCW.

Having very sparse reserves of copper wire (France being such a sophisticated country has privatized everything, including domestic appliance collection, meaning that it now is almost impossible to salvage MOTs or other sources of wire & components for free), I'm not sure I'll build such a coil.

My thoughts, however : yes, the two primary coils may well cancel their mutual inductance, and may well exhibit low Lenz effect - but I don't think that there will be any magnetic effect either : the two coils try to generate equal but opposing magnet fields.  You'd probably just generate heat ?

I'd like to see someone try it and post the real results.
Glenn

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Re: Self Sustaining Electricity Generator
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2016, 06:14:50 PM »
We need deeper clarifications Mr. Nramaswami

When an Electromagnet is made to have a secondary coil, then it becomes a Transformer.  And when such  Transformer is Lenzeless, it turns to Overunity Generator. Mr. Ramaswami, does not this type of lenZless winding you described another type of Overunity Trafo Gen?

Please answer each of my earlier question and the new ones too


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Offline hanon

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Re: Self Sustaining Electricity Generator
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2016, 09:05:41 PM »
Hi,

In theory it does not care about the winding direction of each coil. Its polarity just depends on the sense in which current circulates (rotates) along the wire. You may wind a coil CW, but if you feed with positive terminal of the battery in the upper point of the coil then the circulation is CW, but if you feed it in its lower side the current will circulate CCW. In each case the polarity will be different, even having the same winding. The polarity is just related to the rotation of the current around the coil (Right Hand Rule)

One question: in your proposal are both primaries P1 and P2 fed in the upper part of both coils? Or is one coil fed in its upper part and the other coil in its lower part?

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Re: Self Sustaining Electricity Generator
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2016, 11:04:24 PM »
Hello All,

Rams...finally you got your own thread ( congrads ).

You say ... you've witnessed your own device produce OU... ( I think the saying goes like this ... I'm from Missouri " Show Me "  )
Anyway... how long will it be before you have the " video " if you don't already have one or I think you had stated the " investigators " were going to test your apparatus ...when?

R

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Offline core

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Re: Self Sustaining Electricity Generator
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2016, 02:35:03 AM »
There are other rumoured devices..This is an open sesame thread.. Any one can post any ideas..Information,Misinformation, Diverting information any and all are welcome..

Are you sure about this? We where all in the "other" thread and were basically asked to leave because we didn't conform to one persons vision of the device. So I will ask again, If we don't agree with your theoretical operation and propose much more logical solutions will we be accused of treason to the crown?


.....The problem is since I do not know any thing and I am neither qualified in this subject I will neither be impressed nor worried nor careless nor careful about any statements unless they are shown with the proof of the workind device.. Videos welcome. Mode of construction welcome..But all open source information only..

When do we see your video? You have made some claims, ...... and please don't tell me you don't have a camera and have trouble downloading files from your phone.  :o I don't think I can honestly take another BS line like that.

How about we make a simple rule:

RULE#1: "No claims of COP>1 until a video and some decent drawings can be posted"

This will go a long way in preventing the loonies that drink the magic elixir and wake up thinking GOD spoke to them, and only them that night.......... Deal? 

BTW.... As far as not knowing anything. There are 80,000 plus members on this forum. Not one has an OU device, what does that tell you about there knowledge of such things. I think you fit right in.  ;)

Only thing that is required is SRS Qualification of the Device.

Safety
Repeatability
Sustainability

and of course Low cost Low tech manufacturing techniquies. Least amount of parts needed so people on shoe string budget also can do them are the kind of things needed. Please post..

I can buy into this, the few guys that had build skills appear also to be on this thread, myself included. I am all in, providing we all understand that this isn't a "one way street" meaning "it's not just about your device"

-Core

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Re: Self Sustaining Electricity Generator
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2016, 03:01:03 AM »
Hello,

this is not a Lenzless coil-setup, its Eugene Efimovs "Unilateral induction" which was published already 5 years ago.

Honour belongs to the inventor E. Efimov:

https://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sciteclibrary.ru%2Frus%2Fcatalog%2Fpages%2F11518.html

Kator01


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Re: Self Sustaining Electricity Generator
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2016, 03:30:38 AM »
Having very sparse reserves of copper wire (France being such a sophisticated country has privatized everything, including domestic appliance collection, meaning that it now is almost impossible to salvage MOTs or other sources of wire & components for free), I'm not sure I'll build such a coil.

That's a shame Glenn, here in America we throw perfectly good stuff out. Garbage night is like an OU researchers Christmas. 


My thoughts, however : yes, the two primary coils may well cancel their mutual inductance, and may well exhibit low Lenz effect - but I don't think that there will be any magnetic effect either : the two coils try to generate equal but opposing magnet fields.  You'd probably just generate heat ?

That heat doesn't come free but at the expense of current. And I think you are right about the heat. No matter what it would be a loss in the system. I honestly don't see how a Primary coil feeding a secondary coil doesn't produce Lenz and typical losses that are associated with such designs.

....... But I am staying open minded and I'm here to learn.


-Core

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Re: Self Sustaining Electricity Generator
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2016, 04:15:23 AM »
Ok, here is a PDF document of what I am designing around. This was my preliminary thought, on the right side of the document I explain the sequence and site patents that influenced the design. As always sequence and design are subject to change.

-Core

 

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