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To prove overunity, to the skeptics on here
« on: February 17, 2016, 02:49:57 AM »
To prove  overunity,  to the skeptics on here,

  Couldn't someone arrange magnets in a circle,  with all their N,  or S poles focused on the center of the circle,  and then in the middle of the circle,  place some type of  electrical-conductor-design,   that will allow a lot of the magnetic-fields to pass straight though it,  while at the same time generating some current from the undulating/moving  fields at the middle of the circle.

  To achieve that undulating/moving of the fields at the center of the circle,   instead of placing the magnets so close to each other so that their fields are compressed against each other,  they should be placed sufficiently far enough from each other so that their fields undulate/move  in the middle of the circle,  sort of like barely touching each other .

   The  electrical-conductor-design  at the center of the circle,   could be as simple as a very loosely-wound-single-layer-coil,  so that the magnetic-fields could easily pass through it,   or,  it could be materials like  graphene,  or the   newly invented very-ultra-light  foams/gels( made from metals or other highly electrically conductive materials ) .

Even though very little current would be generated,  if any current was able to be detected,  that design could be presented to the skeptics on here. 
Although, I assume that even if this device were placed in a high-vacuum,  you  might still be able to argue that any current generated would be due to the curie-point in magnets being affected by all types of em radiation in the environment .

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Re: To prove overunity, to the skeptics on here
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2016, 02:43:46 PM »
To prove  overunity,  to the skeptics on here,

  Couldn't someone arrange magnets in a circle,  with all their N,  or S poles focused on the center of the circle,  and then in the middle of the circle,  place some type of  electrical-conductor-design,   that will allow a lot of the magnetic-fields to pass straight though it,  while at the same time generating some current from the undulating/moving  fields at the middle of the circle.

  To achieve that undulating/moving of the fields at the center of the circle,   instead of placing the magnets so close to each other so that their fields are compressed against each other,  they should be placed sufficiently far enough from each other so that their fields undulate/move  in the middle of the circle,  sort of like barely touching each other .

   The  electrical-conductor-design  at the center of the circle,   could be as simple as a very loosely-wound-single-layer-coil,  so that the magnetic-fields could easily pass through it,   or,  it could be materials like  graphene,  or the   newly invented very-ultra-light  foams/gels( made from metals or other highly electrically conductive materials ) .

Even though very little current would be generated,  if any current was able to be detected,  that design could be presented to the skeptics on here. 
Although, I assume that even if this device were placed in a high-vacuum,  you  might still be able to argue that any current generated would be due to the curie-point in magnets being affected by all types of em radiation in the environment .

the best would truely be for you to set up a example of this.
to show exactly what your claims represent if they have been realized for you in previous experiment.
for levitation related ideas though, i noticed there are lots of them on youtube that might replicate more closely what you are describing.
do you have the magnets needed etc?

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Re: To prove overunity, to the skeptics on here
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2016, 03:05:10 PM »
To prove  overunity,  to the skeptics on here,

  Couldn't someone arrange magnets in a circle,  with all their N,  or S poles focused on the center of the circle,  and then in the middle of the circle,  place some type of  electrical-conductor-design,   that will allow a lot of the magnetic-fields to pass straight though it,  while at the same time generating some current from the undulating/moving  fields at the middle of the circle.

  To achieve that undulating/moving of the fields at the center of the circle,   instead of placing the magnets so close to each other so that their fields are compressed against each other,  they should be placed sufficiently far enough from each other so that their fields undulate/move  in the middle of the circle,  sort of like barely touching each other .

   The  electrical-conductor-design  at the center of the circle,   could be as simple as a very loosely-wound-single-layer-coil,  so that the magnetic-fields could easily pass through it,   or,  it could be materials like  graphene,  or the   newly invented very-ultra-light  foams/gels( made from metals or other highly electrically conductive materials ) .

Even though very little current would be generated,  if any current was able to be detected,  that design could be presented to the skeptics on here. 
Although, I assume that even if this device were placed in a high-vacuum,  you  might still be able to argue that any current generated would be due to the curie-point in magnets being affected by all types of em radiation in the environment .


Hi guest1289,

First I want to make sure you understand I am NOT a skeptic as far as believing OU may be possible.  However you have some mistaken ideas about magnets and coils I am afraid.  I am not sure where you got the idea magnetic fields would undulate.  If you have some evidence of that then please post the information.  Secondly I don't know why you think a coil would need to be loosely wound for the magnetic field to pass through the turns of the coil.  The magnetic field will pass right through almost any size coil no matter how tightly wound the turns of wire are.  You need to get some wire and make some coils and then play with magnets around the coils to understand how they work together.

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Carroll

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Re: To prove overunity, to the skeptics on here
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2016, 06:14:37 PM »
(  I'm   guest1289,  this is my other account,   for other things I'm doing   )

   Regarding,  undulating fields between magnets, 
      I first found possible evidence for that idea from the following webpage,  http://physics.aps.org/story/v9/st30  ,   although that is between the magnetic-fields of the sun and the earth. 
   So,  to replicate the interaction between the magnetic-fields of the sun and the earth, I thought it would be logical to space two magnets sufficiently far apart,  and that there must or may  be a very specific  distance at which that could happen .
   (  of course it's possible I may have misinterpreted the above webpage too much,  because when I look at diagrams on other webpages,  of the  sun's  magnetic-field  affecting  the earths  magnetic-field,   the earth's field looks like it's in  an  aerodynamics  test,  with it's field totally blown backwards as if it were in a storm  )

   Here's my proof
   In attempts at  All-permanent-magnet-levitation  ( on youtube etc ) you can see how unstable the levitating components are,  that constant instability is supported by the mathematical-proofs  in  Earnshaw's-Theorem,  which states it is impossible to achieve stable levitation using permanent-magnets.

   Regarding  magnetic-fields  passing straight through copper,   yes,  now you have reminded me,  that is correct,    but here's the reason I got a confused about that,   it's because of what happens if you drop a  neodymium-magnet  down a copper pipe,  and how the hoverboards( containing rotating magnets ) float above copper,  although of course they are moving magnetic-fields,  but even in the copper-pipe,  and the  copper-surface for the hoverboard,  the  magnetic-fields must still pass through the copper.

   I should post this in the figueras thread, but it doesn't matter 
    If you had already achieved,  either overunity,  or a self-sustaining device( therefore perpetual motion ),  using the rotating-tesla-switch,  it's odd that you're  interested in the  figueras-device,  because as far as I know there is still no proof it ever worked,  even though it certainly doesn't seem that it was a hoax .

    According to  'Earnshaw's Theorem',  which says that if  full-levitation is achieved just using permanent-magnets,  then  it will be  'Perpetual-Motion',    because it will be continually unstable.
  I'm  not able to build any of my  full-levitation-designs which just use permanent-magnets,  but I am informed that other people have achieved that .
  So,   'Samuel-Earnshaw'  basically proved the existence of overunity in his mathematical proofs .

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Re: To prove overunity, to the skeptics on here
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2016, 02:43:12 AM »
It is against the TOS (terms of service) for this website to be using 2 accounts.  It is also against common sense rules for engaging in a forum such as this one.

I suggest that you eliminate one of your accounts before the Admin eliminates both of them for you.

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Re: To prove overunity, to the skeptics on here
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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2016, 11:56:12 PM »
(  I'm   guest1289,  this is my other account,   for other things I'm doing   )

   Regarding,  undulating fields between magnets, 
      I first found possible evidence for that idea from the following webpage,  http://physics.aps.org/story/v9/st30  ,   although that is between the magnetic-fields of the sun and the earth. 
   So,  to replicate the interaction between the magnetic-fields of the sun and the earth, I thought it would be logical to space two magnets sufficiently far apart,  and that there must or may  be a very specific  distance at which that could happen .
   (  of course it's possible I may have misinterpreted the above webpage too much,  because when I look at diagrams on other webpages,  of the  sun's  magnetic-field  affecting  the earths  magnetic-field,   the earth's field looks like it's in  an  aerodynamics  test,  with it's field totally blown backwards as if it were in a storm  )

   Here's my proof
   In attempts at  All-permanent-magnet-levitation  ( on youtube etc ) you can see how unstable the levitating components are,  that constant instability is supported by the mathematical-proofs  in  Earnshaw's-Theorem,  which states it is impossible to achieve stable levitation using permanent-magnets.

   Regarding  magnetic-fields  passing straight through copper,   yes,  now you have reminded me,  that is correct,    but here's the reason I got a confused about that,   it's because of what happens if you drop a  neodymium-magnet  down a copper pipe,  and how the hoverboards( containing rotating magnets ) float above copper,  although of course they are moving magnetic-fields,  but even in the copper-pipe,  and the  copper-surface for the hoverboard,  the  magnetic-fields must still pass through the copper.

   I should post this in the figueras thread, but it doesn't matter 
    If you had already achieved,  either overunity,  or a self-sustaining device( therefore perpetual motion ),  using the rotating-tesla-switch,  it's odd that you're  interested in the  figueras-device,  because as far as I know there is still no proof it ever worked,  even though it certainly doesn't seem that it was a hoax .

    According to  'Earnshaw's Theorem',  which says that if  full-levitation is achieved just using permanent-magnets,  then  it will be  'Perpetual-Motion',    because it will be continually unstable.
  I'm  not able to build any of my  full-levitation-designs which just use permanent-magnets,  but I am informed that other people have achieved that .
  So,   'Samuel-Earnshaw'  basically proved the existence of overunity in his mathematical proofs .

guest1289 or forumblog or whatever.

I started to not respond to your post because it is so confusing but decided to see if you could clear up what you are posting.  First you need to drop one or the other of your usernames.  Almost all forums do NOT allow a person to have more than one username.

Secondly I am not sure if this post I quoted was directed to me or someone else.  But since you referred to my question about the undulating magnetic fields I believe the post may be directed towards me.  As far as the undulating magnetic fields I think you are confusing an active device (the sun) with an inactive device (a magnet).   The sun is constantly producing new energy and magnetic fields.  The magnetic field of a magnet is static.   All you need to prove this is to place a magnet on a non-metallic surface and then bring a compass slowly nearer and nearer until it just starts to respond to the magnet.  Then let it sit there.  You will see it will never move or change at all.  So there is no undulating field you could harvest any power from.  Not even a few microwatts.

If your post is directed at me I have no idea where you got the idea that I had a working Tesla Switch or that I was interested in the Figuera device.  And I haven't seen anyone else posting about either in this thread.

As far as Earnshaw's Theorem,  I will admit I have not heard of it.  But I don't understand how levitation by magnets proves perpetual motion.  I would have to read his information and see how he came to that conclusion.  But I have seen devices that suspended an object by using magnets and all of them did after a while settle down and became stable.  So I have doubts about his theorem or maybe it is your interpretation of his theorem that is confusing me.

Respectfully,
Carroll

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Re: To prove overunity, to the skeptics on here
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Re: To prove overunity, to the skeptics on here
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2016, 06:22:20 PM »
   I definitely did not know there's an actual rule( terms of service ),  stating that you cannot have more than one account.  I did wonder though .

   I do have a very valid reason for having to use 2 accounts,  I won't detail it on the forum,   but there must never be exception to rules,  or the site won't work  etc .

   The mistake I made is that I actually stated that I am guest1289,  but again,  I didn't know it's against the rules .

   There are probably a lot of people on here that have 2 accounts,  for all sorts of reasons,  but of course they don't state that they have 2 accounts,  so it won't be a problem for them .

   It will affect me,  no longer being able to use 2 accounts( and stating on my posts that I am the same person as another account ),  but obviously I will no longer be able to do that .

 

     
   




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Re: To prove overunity, to the skeptics on here
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2016, 08:04:14 PM »
That  youtube video in the previous post,  that's a   super-cooled magnet, so it turns the magnet into a super-conductor,  and the effect is called the  Meissner_effect ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meissner_effect )
  The Meissner_effect is an exception to Earnshaw's-Theorem and is not all-permanent-magnet-full-levitation,  those super-cooled  permanent-magnets  become  super-conductors,  and are no longer  normal-permanent-magnets.
  That Meissner_effect is exactly what I was trying to achieve,  in the  stable  all-permanent-magnet-full-levitation  designs I posted,   but by only using  normal-room-temperature-magnets,  those designs are designed to work at any angle in relation to gravity,  I posted them here :
http://overunity.com/16298/my-levitators-and-bearings-and-other-designsinventions/msg469748/#msg469748


citfta
Yes, what you say about the  magnetic-field  of a  permanent-magnet  being  static,  is exactly what I think.
 
   But I can't help thinking that there might be a very-very  specific-distance between an N-pole and S-pole,   at which the fields might briefly reach each other, in an undulating manner,    either due to the interaction of the fields at that very specific distance,  or,   due to things like very slight temperature changes( magnets have a 'curie-point' relating to temperature,  temperature affects magnets which affects their fields , thats also how the meissner-effect is achieved) .

   I have  re-read  your following post on another thread below
http://overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg471641/#msg471641

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I was able using Matt's design to get a Tesla Switch to run for a full week lighting some LEDs the whole time.  At the end of the week my batteries were still fully charged.  In addition to the LEDs the batteries were also supplying the power for the electronic switching circuit.  It can be done but it is very tricky getting it to work and if you change the load then you have to start the tuning process all over again.
     
    Now I realize the device you built was solid-state, not mechanical,  and I have read that LED's can draw very little power.
( I had even read articles on other websites stating that some types of  LED's could be an actual source of overunity ).
    I'ts possible your equipment wasn't good enough to measure the very little power consumed in a week.
    It would be interesting if the solid-state device you built actually had an effect of  charging  the batteries, from that switching-effect,  at the same time that the batteries ran the device.

  I'ts important to read the  entire  post by another person, on another thread, below
http://overunity.com/16295/all-permanent-magnet-complete-levitation/msg469712/#msg469712

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What the Theorem clearly states, is that, in accordance to both Gauss's Law, and Laplace's Equation:
Is that any "permanent magnetic" levitation, will result in perpetual motion.
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Simply put, Earnshaw;s Theorem states that, WHEN permanent magnetic levitation occurs,- It cannot be perfectly balanced. (i.e. - without motion)
In the devices that person built, he observed
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There was, in fact, a motion within the magnetic field.

   I doubt anyone( including me ) on this page has ever observed  all-permanent-magnet-full-levitation,  but it seems,  according to the post  above,   that some people have achieved it,  and in the last 2 or 3 months, I have posted   quite a lot of  all-permanent-magnet-full-levitation designs.

   Maybe anyone here could build an  all-permanent-magnet-full-levitation  device,  to present to the skeptics on this site,  the device could either generate a very tiny micro-current, or just be a  perpetual-motion  device.
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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2016, 08:27:39 PM »
   I definitely did not know there's an actual rule( terms of service ),  stating that you cannot have more than one account.  I did wonder though .

   I do have a very valid reason for having to use 2 accounts,  I won't detail it on the forum,   but there must never be exception to rules,  or the site won't work  etc .

   The mistake I made is that I actually stated that I am guest1289,  but again,  I didn't know it's against the rules .

   There are probably a lot of people on here that have 2 accounts,  for all sorts of reasons,  but of course they don't state that they have 2 accounts,  so it won't be a problem for them .

   It will affect me,  no longer being able to use 2 accounts( and stating on my posts that I am the same person as another account ),  but obviously I will no longer be able to do that .

 

     
 


The term most folks use for this is "sock puppet".  I agree that, as far as I know, you have not used your multiple accounts for any nefarious purposes and, it is true that you have made it clear who you are and that you have 2 accounts.  I suggest that you pm our gracious host and Admin, Stefan (Hartiberlin) and see what he thinks about it but, as almost anyone will tell you, this is never allowed on any site I have been a member of.


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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2016, 11:34:35 AM »
I'm always amused by the outside perception of free energy research...

that somehow once we "found a device" we would all just stop looking at all the rest.
and the ones that think they can get rich piggy backing off someones "OU" design.

or these newly emerging attempts to psychologically profile us, to figure out why-
    there are so many of us trying to do that which is impossible.

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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2016, 11:07:52 PM »
I'm always amused by the outside perception of free energy research...

that somehow once we "found a device" we would all just stop looking at all the rest.
and the ones that think they can get rich piggy backing off someones "OU" design.

or these newly emerging attempts to psychologically profile us, to figure out why-
    there are so many of us trying to do that which is impossible.

Well said. You can better be an artist than doing OU research. The artist fit's in a
cultural and mental framework. No questions about his/her attemps to do the impossible.
I think that, we OU explorers, have a lot in common with the artists. The same aspiration.
Not understood by even my sons. They think what I am doing is a waste of time.
Even worser; "Daddy I don't want to talk with you about FE and all this nonsense".
It is also a non-item for my family and friends. No person in a radius of 100Km interested.
Nobody understands my fascination for creating OU devices. This hobby is hard to share...
Same loneliness as an artist, same social isolation, other scene, other status.
I am glad to meet you guys here, (where are the women?). Last months I am learning a lot.
Not only about principles and technics. I know we are with many passionated people.
I hope at a "coming-out" of this community, this year. There will be the OU day, once a year.
The national media ignore our existence. Do we want more understanding of our endeavor?
I think we are in some way loners. A touch with the magic wand made me bewitched.
On the other hand, I feel also as an alchemist or techno shaman, with an unexplainable joy
making energy devices with sound and sparks and lights and magnets and coils and
maybe OU, one day.
 
   
 



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Re: To prove overunity, to the skeptics on here
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2016, 12:08:01 AM »
I am not sure where you got the idea magnetic fields would undulate. 
The fields from stationary permanent magnets will not undulate ...unless you're Sweet.

Secondly I don't know why you think a coil would need to be loosely wound for the magnetic field to pass through the turns of the coil.  The magnetic field will pass right through almost any size coil no matter how tightly wound the turns of wire are.
Better yet - a varying magnetic flux will induce voltage across that coil even if the magnetic flux does not touch the coil's winding.

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« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2016, 10:09:37 AM »
Better yet - a varying magnetic flux will induce voltage across that coil even if the magnetic flux does not touch the coil's winding.

Someone didn't do the math.....

Magnetic fields extend infinitely.
(at exponentially decreasing magnitude)

there is no point at which the magnetic flux does not touch the coil.


 

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