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Author Topic: Unlocking the second law of thermodynamics  (Read 5128 times)

Offline markdansie

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Unlocking the second law of thermodynamics
« on: February 13, 2016, 06:04:22 PM »

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Re: Unlocking the second law of thermodynamics
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2016, 06:46:46 PM »
Nice find, Mark, thanks for sharing
 
 
y'see, there never has been a 'Second Law of Thermodynamics'...
 
 
...just a lazy bunch of naysayers!


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Re: Unlocking the second law of thermodynamics
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2016, 02:52:50 AM »
Nice one mark


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Re: Unlocking the second law of thermodynamics
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Re: Unlocking the second law of thermodynamics
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2016, 09:44:35 AM »
all we need do, is create a "velocity membrane", that only allows high-velocity particle to pass.
this can be reduced to a momentum equation, for particles with enough mass*velocity to penetrate the membrane.

In theory it seems much simpler than in practice, but even Maxwell himself admitted that this scenario could possibly violate the second law.

Which brings into question, are the guidelines of Thermodynamic Theory actually "laws", or are they general reference points that apply to "most systems", but not all....??

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Re: Unlocking the second law of thermodynamics
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2016, 02:48:20 PM »
all we need do, is create a "velocity membrane", that only allows high-velocity particle to pass.
this can be reduced to a momentum equation, for particles with enough mass*velocity to penetrate the membrane.

In theory it seems much simpler than in practice, but even Maxwell himself admitted that this scenario could possibly violate the second law.

Which brings into question, are the guidelines of Thermodynamic Theory actually "laws", or are they general reference points that apply to "most systems", but not all....??

Laws are mans best guess(theories)-a guess that is made from observations of what we have seen so far. The conservation of energy-Mmm. How is it that the galaxies are speeding up in a direction that is away from the galactic center--should they not be attracted to each other due to gravitational attraction?. Where is this energy coming from that can accelerate entire galaxies?-enough energy to overcome the gravitational pull of each galaxy. If the motion of the planets in each galaxy is increasing,then the potential energy within the universe is increasing,and the only way to increase potential energy is to increase consumed energy. So the energy level within the universe is for ever increasing-->energy can be created. ;)


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Re: Unlocking the second law of thermodynamics
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2016, 03:49:08 AM »
Laws are mans best guess(theories)-a guess that is made from observations of what we have seen so far. The conservation of energy-Mmm. How is it that the galaxies are speeding up in a direction that is away from the galactic center--should they not be attracted to each other due to gravitational attraction?. Where is this energy coming from that can accelerate entire galaxies?-enough energy to overcome the gravitational pull of each galaxy. If the motion of the planets in each galaxy is increasing,then the potential energy within the universe is increasing,and the only way to increase potential energy is to increase consumed energy. So the energy level within the universe is for ever increasing-->energy can be created. ;)


Brad

Brad:

A physicist will tell you the energy required to increase the motion of the planets was all contained in the "Big Bang" event.  Now, of all of the things we are supposed to believe this to me is the least credible.  They use this to explain that energy can not come from nowhere (created) so they tie it all back to the big bang.  OK...one microsecond prior to the big bang the is no energy...then...bang...and we now have energy.

Sounds like it was created to me but, what do I know?  I mean, where did that original energy come from then?

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Re: Unlocking the second law of thermodynamics
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2016, 12:13:29 PM »
Brad:

A physicist will tell you the energy required to increase the motion of the planets was all contained in the "Big Bang" event.  Now, of all of the things we are supposed to believe this to me is the least credible.  They use this to explain that energy can not come from nowhere (created) so they tie it all back to the big bang.  OK...one microsecond prior to the big bang the is no energy...then...bang...and we now have energy.

Sounds like it was created to me but, what do I know?  I mean, where did that original energy come from then?

Bill

What amazes me is that anyone can believe it all happened by accident.  The Bible makes it very clear how it all started.  It was created.

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Re: Unlocking the second law of thermodynamics
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2016, 12:26:07 PM »
What amazes me is that anyone can believe it all happened by accident.  The Bible makes it very clear how it all started.  It was created.
Amen, brother.

Another aspect to consider is this; according to the "Big Bang" theory, an explosion started everything.  An explosion hot enough to melt rocks, no less.  Now tell me the last time you EVER saw any life beginning after an explosion that could melt rocks?  Ok, then maybe an explosion that could blow a car in half?  Explosions END life.  NOTHING could have survived "The Big Bang" (at least not life) thus the whole thing is simply a logical fallacy from its incept.


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Re: Unlocking the second law of thermodynamics
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2016, 11:22:46 AM »
Not all physicist will tell you that,,, most will but not all.

Physics does not describe any period prior to the event,, so where the energy came from is unknown.

There is one notable physicist that described the increasing vacuum of space,, or the expansion,, as the creation of energy,, but what does he know,, he only sits in the same seat as Newton did,,

this sounds close to a commonly accepted theory in which the "total energy" of the universe is held constant,
Acceleration (and subsequent increase of energy) is balanced by an increase in volume of the universal sphere. (expansion)

There are inherent problems with this theory, mainly that being we have not, nor cannot prove that the boundaries of the universe, as a whole, are truly expanding.

the same could be said about the "big bang" itself.
While studies concerned with the confirmation of BB theory, calculate the point of the singularity, based on a number of bodies accelerating outwards from a theoretical point in space and time. reversing the calculations leads to a time and space in which such an occurrence would have originated.

While studies concerned with disproving BB theory, are based on an (similar) number of bodies moving in opposition to the expected "outward" acceleration. This leads to a steady-state existence of the universe, in constant cyclical change.
Like heat convection throughout a vessel of constant volume.

Each can be equally supported by a human misinterpretation of the collected data.
I tend to find the latter more convincing since it can be used to explain motion in all directions, not only that in the direction of expansion.

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Re: Unlocking the second law of thermodynamics
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2016, 02:10:34 PM »
What amazes me is that anyone can believe it all happened by accident.  The Bible makes it very clear how it all started.  It was created.

"Amen"

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Re: Unlocking the second law of thermodynamics
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2016, 02:50:24 PM »
Amen, brother.

Another aspect to consider is this; according to the "Big Bang" theory, an explosion started everything.  An explosion hot enough to melt rocks, no less.  Now tell me the last time you EVER saw any life beginning after an explosion that could melt rocks?  Ok, then maybe an explosion that could blow a car in half?  Explosions END life.  NOTHING could have survived "The Big Bang" (at least not life) thus the whole thing is simply a logical fallacy from its incept.


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That only makes sense to you if you have no understanding of the evolution of the universe.  You are stardust just like Crosby, Stills and Nash told you:

We are stardust, we are golden
We are billion year old carbon
And we got to get ourselves back to the garden

Then, in the 1950s, they filled a jar with some basic gasses like oxygen, nitrogen and carbon dioxide.  They simulated lightning with electric discharges and after a week or two they got some brown sludge that included more complex molecules and I think even proto amino acids, the building blocks of life.

The theory is that we evolved from hot pea soup many billions of years _after_ the Big Bang.

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Re: Unlocking the second law of thermodynamics
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2016, 10:50:31 PM »
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"They simulated lightning with electric discharges and after a week or two they got some brown sludge that included more complex molecules and I think even proto amino acids, the building blocks of life."

Unsurprisingly typical.  Atheistic evolutionists can't even advocate for their own mindless accidents without invoking Creative Causality terms like, "building blocks", which imply a 'Builder'.  These irresponsible hypocrites would be the first to boot lick their associate self worshippers if they could 'engineer' something as both remarkably complex and elegantly simple as an electric flagellar motor, yet are (also unsurprisingly) the first to deny that such an amazing accomplishment could have anything to do with "higher" intelligence.

In this instance, perhaps such obvious ear marks of 'high' intelligence are only avoided because they do not descend to....

"mile high" status.



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