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Title: Which are the cheapest 'Crowd-Funding sites'
Post by: guest1289 on February 11, 2016, 07:24:47 AM
Which are the cheapest  'Crowd-Funding sites'

Some of the main sites function similarly, 'flexible funding',  or 'fixed funding'

If you pick 'fixed funding',  and you don't reach the amount, they keep more,  than if you reached your goal .
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 My reason for maybe thinking about trying to raise some funding is not  'a usual reason', not a reason that has appeared on any of the 'Crowd-Funding sites' .

  I have noticed that some people on some of these   'Crowd-Funding sites'  seek funding for the most trivial things.
  So,  what I have in mind, is to use my  'non-powered-all-permanent-magnet-full-levitation'  designs,  and maybe my  magnet-motor-designs and other designs,  as side-themes  to raise funds through one of these  'Crowd-Funding sites' .
   But,  and this is where my idea is 'not usual',  I would clearly state, that any funds raised from my
'Crowd-Funding' project,  'would not'  be used for anything that I have ever designed, or ever would design etc.
    Instead,  any funds raised would go directly into some type of trust-fund,  so that I would not have direct access to the funds.
    And, the  managers of the 'trust-fund',  would only use the funds according to a very strict-criteria   to ensure that I could in no way gain any financial or material benefit from the funds,  other than the reason for which the  'trust-fund' would be set up for.
     And what would be the real reason for which I would be seeking funding  - I would not gain any financial or material benefit from the funds,   I would not disclose( not directly anyway ) the actual reason for seeking funding through the 'Crowd-Funding' project ,  I would disclose the reason through other methods.

(  not a cent of the funding would be misused or mispent, I would not gain any financial or material benefit from the funds,  and it is possible that any funding raised could be returned after an unknown period of time, from 90-99% of the funding,  it would depend on some options.
    obviously I would not waste time on an idea like this for  un-important  reasons etc, it's not for anything un-important   )
   
   The reasons I could probably find it too difficult,  to set up this 'Crowd-Funding project'  myself is :
    -  Unkown taxation problems ( due to factors )
    -  more problems relating to subjects of taxation etc
    -  problems in setting up the 'trust-fund' in such a way that I could be deemed sufficiently impartial from specifying  the   strict-criteria detailing on how the funds should be used
 
    -  It would be easier if someone else set up the 'Crowd-Funding project' for me,  maybe someone which has an interest in any of my designs  .

   ( Today I noticed indiegogo seems to have a flat 5% fee for all it's funding options, I had not noticed that before,  and I have not  re-checked kickstarter.   
      Before I noticed todays promotion on indiegogo,  I was wondering about the other sites like rockethub or  FundAnything.com ,  usually the fees of these two sites would be cheaper than the other 2 bigger sites,  )
Title: Re: Which are the cheapest 'Crowd-Funding sites'
Post by: SoManyWires on February 11, 2016, 10:27:20 AM
Which are the cheapest  'Crowd-Funding sites'

Some of the main sites function similarly, 'flexible funding',  or 'fixed funding'

If you pick 'fixed funding',  and you don't reach the amount, they keep more,  than if you reached your goal .
-----------------------------------
 My reason for maybe thinking about trying to raise some funding is not  'a usual reason', not a reason that has appeared on any of the 'Crowd-Funding sites' .

  I have noticed that some people on some of these   'Crowd-Funding sites'  seek funding for the most trivial things.
  So,  what I have in mind, is to use my  'non-powered-all-permanent-magnet-full-levitation'  designs,  and maybe my  magnet-motor-designs and other designs,  as side-themes  to raise funds through one of these  'Crowd-Funding sites' .
   But,  and this is where my idea is 'not usual',  I would clearly state, that any funds raised from my
'Crowd-Funding' project,  'would not'  be used for anything that I have ever designed, or ever would design etc.
    Instead,  any funds raised would go directly into some type of trust-fund,  so that I would not have direct access to the funds.
    And, the  managers of the 'trust-fund',  would only use the funds according to a very strict-criteria   to ensure that I could in no way gain any financial or material benefit from the funds,  other than the reason for which the  'trust-fund' would be set up for.
     And what would be the real reason for which I would be seeking funding  - I would not gain any financial or material benefit from the funds,   I would not disclose( not directly anyway ) the actual reason for seeking funding through the 'Crowd-Funding' project ,  I would disclose the reason through other methods.

(  not a cent of the funding would be misused or mispent, I would not gain any financial or material benefit from the funds,  and it is possible that any funding raised could be returned after an unknown period of time, from 90-99% of the funding,  it would depend on some options.
    obviously I would not waste time on an idea like this for  un-important  reasons etc, it's not for anything un-important   )
   
   The reasons I could probably find it too difficult,  to set up this 'Crowd-Funding project'  myself is :
    -  Unkown taxation problems ( due to factors )
    -  more problems relating to subjects of taxation etc
    -  problems in setting up the 'trust-fund' in such a way that I could be deemed sufficiently impartial from specifying  the   strict-criteria detailing on how the funds should be used
 
    -  It would be easier if someone else set up the 'Crowd-Funding project' for me,  maybe someone which has an interest in any of my designs  .

   ( Today I noticed indiegogo seems to have a flat 5% fee for all it's funding options, I had not noticed that before,  and I have not  re-checked kickstarter.   
      Before I noticed todays promotion on indiegogo,  I was wondering about the other sites like rockethub or  FundAnything.com ,  usually the fees of these two sites would be cheaper than the other 2 bigger sites,  )


hi, that sounds like a rather good idea for you.
if the idea is to simply afford some basic needed items needed for just the experiments to be attempted.
one option you might consider that could help too, would be to offer forms of shares in your 'project development lab'.
percentages of gains should there ever result in any later on as a direct result of the further developed works.

if you have a reasonably good and transparent walkthrough showing the steps you will be working at developing,
perhaps there might be some people who will toss a few dollars each into that development fund in the name of getting more people interested in learning about and maybe even advancing the field of physics.
seems you do want to study and learn, and think you might actually have something that could help others as a result.
you could also maybe have something that allows you a certain time period to obtain certain needed test items, then forward it to the next potential students or hopeful developers afterwards. almost similar to a library book out on loan.
and a new type of distance education was born.

the idea you suggested of a credibly known 'trustee' to handle the funds dispersal, shows good intentions.
this could be something best handled by others, perhaps even IBM and others such as facebook inc or amazon.com's ceo. they might like that idea. and amazon could somehow encourage the sellers that run storefronts there to contribute by giving them bonus discounts to the seller, and maybe have a good direct way of seeing that free shipping would be covered for reshipping items off to the next location following the allowed time period. i do know they are supportive of meaningful science advancements and educational ventures.
a level of competency would have to be shown to preapprove anything, for safety reasons.
that would somehow limit some experimenters though accordingly to much less potentially dangerous scenarios.
if you can create a sort've resume portfolio to forward them to save their time and that could be of use.

been thinking about similar concepts involving approaching places like science centres. how they could be creating free passes to underfunded people that wanted to have access to learning. a form of community centre that has science study materials and demonstrations if allowed.
maybe even a free bus pass thats only good for getting to and from certain learning locations only.

few months ago tried contacting the company that started the arduino about a similar donated or discounted priced version of learning kits they could easily create. good for PR for their advertising it would be too.

go ahead, try running your first campaign to find out if it helps.
redesign the approach if needed.

i approve of this message. lol
Title: Re: Which are the cheapest 'Crowd-Funding sites'
Post by: Nink on February 12, 2016, 04:28:44 PM
Sounds like you are trying to do an XPRIZE type of thing but with consumers instead of corporations who would benefit from the tech.   

Not a bad idea but there needs to be something in it for the consumer who participates in order for it to take off.  If somehow you do find a design that allows you to create a no contact levitation without the use of diamagnetics what would be in it for the general public to donate. 

A working model of the levitation could be a pre-sold when the winner collects the prize but the cost to create the levitation device maybe very high and use rare expensive components.   A semi related  Tshirt or a fridge magnet or a Pyrolytic carbon levitation train maybe a good way to go.  You know the cost of these items and you could give the consumer an instant reward for donating with say 30% cost of train, 5% crowd fund site and 65% trust fund.

The only real problem I see with this is 1) You don't have access to funds to build anything and 2) Permanent magnet levitation without diamagnetic or contact is generally considered impossible. 

You could always just set up a facebook wix twitter etc cyberbeg No crowd funding costs required.