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Author Topic: Free Energy Party Green Machine - 3rd Party verified Overunity Electrolyzer  (Read 35501 times)

Offline tinman

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Re: Free Energy Party Green Machine - 3rd Party verified Overunity Electrolyzer
« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2016, 03:16:39 PM »
Brad, my brother, The Free Energy Party hopes to further uplift the benchmark of Requisite Independent Lab documentation. When it is a very expensive Independent test lab we should respect that , however, we know that anyone involved in a deeper way wants to kick the tires, so ....of course.

Will PM you.

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Re: Free Energy Party Green Machine - 3rd Party verified Overunity Electrolyzer
« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2016, 05:46:15 PM »

It works via special resonance and pulses and and harmonics and special materials and special design,
breaks the 1.23 Volt  standard for hydrogen production, because it can get it done at lower voltage.

This sounds remarkably similar to Bob Boyce:

http://www.free-energy-info.com/Chapter10.pdf

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Re: Free Energy Party Green Machine - 3rd Party verified Overunity Electrolyzer
« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2016, 06:46:04 PM »
"Anything under 2.4 watt hours per liter is over-unity" i.e. 2.4 x 3,600= 8,640Joules/l
So, for 20l, less than 20l x 8,640J=17.28kJ is OU.
500W x 60s= 30,000Ws = 30kJ, far from OU.

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Re: Free Energy Party Green Machine - 3rd Party verified Overunity Electrolyzer
« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2016, 06:46:04 PM »
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Offline Nink

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Re: Free Energy Party Green Machine - 3rd Party verified Overunity Electrolyzer
« Reply #33 on: February 11, 2016, 07:31:27 PM »
Nothing is overunity until you can prove it is overunity in a self contained environment.

I have no idea why you would need 1/2 a million dollars in test equipment, just show your device can be completely powered using the hydrogen gas it generates and have additional power to spare.  Connect the device to a fuel cell that is powered by the hydrogen gas the device creates, prime the fuel cell with a small amount of hydrogen,  Turn the device on. Now let it run for 48 hours. This should be more than sufficient proof.

I guess you needed the test equipment because you had to plug your device into a wall socket.

The fact you can run your system on 1.22 volts input is irrelevant, anyone on here with two coils of wire can do that. 

Until you can prove your device generates enough hydrogen to power itself all you have is yet another so called OU device that needs to be plugged in.
« Last Edit: February 11, 2016, 10:15:09 PM by Nink »

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Re: Free Energy Party Green Machine - 3rd Party verified Overunity Electrolyzer
« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2016, 06:50:33 AM »
Well i emailed zorro,but as of yet,i have not heard anything back from him in regards to some sort of deal ::)

Another one for the bin i think?.


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Re: Free Energy Party Green Machine - 3rd Party verified Overunity Electrolyzer
« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2016, 06:50:33 AM »
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Re: Free Energy Party Green Machine - 3rd Party verified Overunity Electrolyzer
« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2016, 07:29:23 AM »
"Anything under 2.4 watt hours per liter is over-unity" i.e. 2.4 x 3,600= 8,640Joules/l
So, for 20l, less than 20l x 8,640J=17.28kJ is OU.
500W x 60s= 30,000Ws = 30kJ, far from OU.

Check your math.


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Re: Free Energy Party Green Machine - 3rd Party verified Overunity Electrolyzer
« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2016, 08:00:21 AM »
David Wenbert.... has been making claims of overunity electrolysis since at least 2007, when he gave this interview on Peswiki:

http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/Radio/Free_Energy_Now/shows/2007/Transcript--David_Wenbert--Water_Fuel_Cells_and_Electromagnetic_Overunity_Similarities.doc

where the quote saying "Anything under 2.4 watt hours per liter is over-unity" appears.

Also in that interview -- summer of 2007 remember -- is this quote:

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  Exactly -- we call it the IDU, or Irrefutable Demonstration Unit, and it will consist of a 3 kilowatt portable generator – just an off-the-shelf Honda generator, running itself off of a water fuel cell.  And the water fuel cell will be plugged into the 10 amp (12 volt, 10 amp) DC auxiliary circuit.  So, it won’t even be running off the AC.  And we should be at that point in the next few months – it’s just a question of building a final cell that incorporates everything that we’ve learned so far.  Our findings to-date are generally posted on that page (at www.watercell.info), and if you look at the bottom of that page, there is a graphic showing the input waveform that the water fuel cell requires (from Stan Meyer), and above that, some oscilloscope tracings of the output waveform of the Joseph Newman energy machine.  And you can see at a glance that they are virtually identical.

 

Unfortunately none of the websites associated with Wenbert in Sterling's article seem to be active today. And of course the "IDU" never materialized.


(And let's not forget about ETI in Austin..... who have considerable experience in testing electrolysis claims. Has the Free Energy Party contacted them about this?)

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Offline memoryman

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Re: Free Energy Party Green Machine - 3rd Party verified Overunity Electrolyzer
« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2016, 03:17:34 PM »
TK, kindly point out my error.

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Re: Free Energy Party Green Machine - 3rd Party verified Overunity Electrolyzer
« Reply #38 on: February 12, 2016, 03:37:39 PM »
"Anything under 2.4 watt hours per liter is over-unity" i.e. 2.4 x 3,600= 8,640Joules/l
So, for 20l, less than 20l x 8,640J=17.28kJ is OU.
500W x 60s= 30,000Ws = 30kJ, far from OU.

2.4 watt-hours per liter x 60 minutes/hour x 60 seconds/minute = 8640 watt-seconds (or Joules) per liter

20 liters x 8640 Joules/liter = 172800 Joules (or 172.8 kJ) for 20 liters

30 kJ << 172.8 kJ


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Re: Free Energy Party Green Machine - 3rd Party verified Overunity Electrolyzer
« Reply #38 on: February 12, 2016, 03:37:39 PM »
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Re: Free Energy Party Green Machine - 3rd Party verified Overunity Electrolyzer
« Reply #39 on: February 12, 2016, 03:45:28 PM »
Wasn't it just last year that the Free Energy Party was telling us how Steve Spisak was going to Save The World from the Tyranny of Big Oil with his Overunity Motor-Generators? And how "independent testing" proved Steve's claims? How they couldn't proceed to further testing because of a broken solder joint?

And we saw in Steve's videos how he was somehow able to take a _current_ reading simply by touching two probes from his DMM across the wiring of the running machine, without breaking any connections?

Please refresh my  memory on this, because I'm starting to lose track of things....    :'(

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Re: Free Energy Party Green Machine - 3rd Party verified Overunity Electrolyzer
« Reply #40 on: February 12, 2016, 06:26:39 PM »
Thanks for the correction, TK. That darned decimal point keeps drifting...
Steven Spisak has not mentioned his project in months on FB.

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Re: Free Energy Party Green Machine - 3rd Party verified Overunity Electrolyzer
« Reply #40 on: February 12, 2016, 06:26:39 PM »
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Re: Free Energy Party Green Machine - 3rd Party verified Overunity Electrolyzer
« Reply #41 on: February 16, 2016, 12:15:48 AM »
the one man who asked about bearing cooling and other applications, this is from a list of applications gien by the industry speaking through the test lab, tho no mention was made of energy. The offer through the test lab was about a million but involved the inventor having to work for a DOE subcontractor, etc.

The comment by the man here who said the test results could be made up by anyone, two other independent labs have been given the non redacted test results and have confirmed the lab results.

With regard to the commenter asking about self looping....yes it self loops and powers a load, and we are preparing a video also
re the commenter asking about STEVE SPISAK.  First background, The Free Energy Party does not make claims but insists on Independent Lab documentation. On a fundraiser to build the Spisak unit, Sue used my name and spoke with wording that essentially made claims, she is no longer with the Party. It took about nine months to build the Spisak unit , to rebuild it and to finally get it before Independent Lab verification where we learned that he committed errors in his instrumental reading methodology. His tech was put on a back shelf and we went on to review the Jessie Qmogen type device next and switched from there to Hydrogen technology tests. However, the test lab used in the test of the Green Machine is a very well known lab.

With regard to the comment re ...why was half a million dollars in equipment used when all you have to do is self loop it?.......because we believe in Independent Lab documentation and this is the equipment they used to take these all important measurements.

Other pages exist in the test lab report that we have not put up as well.

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Re: Free Energy Party Green Machine - 3rd Party verified Overunity Electrolyzer
« Reply #42 on: February 16, 2016, 05:06:13 AM »
Eric Dollard speaks on work going on that seems to be related to this topic, I believe, here, starting at 1:38:00 --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lWoLH21ITys#t=5881

"...doing the hydrogen-oxygen separation dielectrically instead of by electrolysis, as far as I'm concerned, from what I've seen definitely works. So the situation is, is to work with the appropriate harmonic wave form. The harmonic wave form is the critical part. And act upon water as a dielectric and to separate them by neutralizing the intermolecular binding forces ...it takes no energy to break the intermolecular binding forces by that means. Electrolysis is a forced situation. This isn't a forced situation. It's kind of an unlocking situation.  Now, the result of that is that you have hydrogen and oxygen separated, which desire to engage thermodynamically. Now when you go thru that thermodynamic conversion, that will give rise to energy. So, you have a situation with - potential situation - ...no energy required to break the water apart... "

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Re: Free Energy Party Green Machine - 3rd Party verified Overunity Electrolyzer
« Reply #43 on: February 16, 2016, 07:42:34 AM »
Here's an excerpt from a comment I made TEN MONTHS ago about Spisak's "measurements" that were, at that time, presented by the Free Energy Party as supporting the claim of a working Free Energy device:

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So... how's that Steve Spisak project going? Got your solder joint issues straightened out yet? Can you tell me one thing: How is it possible to obtain a valid input _current_ reading by simply touching the probes to two terminals on an energized device, without actually breaking the circuit and putting the ammeter _in series_ with the current you are measuring?  See the image below from Spisak's Facebook feed, or the similar test that Spisak performed in the YouTube video months ago for examples of this ...er... rather unusual measurement technique.

Now we are being told that it took some "independent lab" nine months to tell you the same thing-- that Spisak was not measuring properly ....  Insert ROFL here!


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Re: Free Energy Party Green Machine - 3rd Party verified Overunity Electrolyzer
« Reply #44 on: February 16, 2016, 07:47:47 AM »
So... two months ago Dave began blaming this statement on "Sue" .... why did it take so long, Dave? When I told you TEN MONTHS ago that Spisak's measurements were bogus? 

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Dave, your credibility is nil. You can refer to "independent laboratory" results all you like, but until you post verifiable information as to who these "laboratories" are and just what they tested, how they tested it and what they actually reported, your statements continue to be "highly suspect" to say the least.

 

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