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Title: Creating the perfect overunity Scam
Post by: Nink on February 06, 2016, 04:24:33 AM
We have all witnessed one scam after another Magnets, QEG, HHO and various Rube Golberg machines.  Unfortunately when and if you finally get them on the bench they all fail the test. 

So with that in mind how would you create the perfect overunity device that could fool not only the general public but also someone with a Masters in Electrical Engineer or a PhD in Nuclear Physics?  Black boxes are allowed but it better pass the tests.

Extra points if you can come up with a marketing plan to milk the masses out of millions and finally a bonus get out of jail free card  if you can do it without actually telling a lie.
Title: Re: Creating the perfect overunity Scam
Post by: TinselKoala on February 06, 2016, 05:10:39 AM
Well... since a "proper" test might have to involve a complete hands-on disassembly and reassembly back to operating condition, as well as measurements of many different quantities and environmental variables, it might be very hard to make something that would fool a determined team of skeptical scientists, engineers and magicians.
 
However if the testers aren't allowed to "look inside" the black box, or to measure whatever they like, observe for however long they like, etc. then I can think of many ways to fool them. After all... we have seen many demonstrations on YouTube that do just that. As long as nobody is able to examine fully a Kapanadze device, or Akula/Ruslan devices, for example... then people are fooled.

Heck, we've even seen people fooled by simple _claims_, without even a YouTube video or any other proof, like the "Mad Mack" sincere gentleman and his claimed permanent magnet motor-- for which not a shred of evidence has ever been provided, yet people are still trying to build them according to his directions. (But it is now alleged that he wants those people to stop what they are doing since he claims to have come up with an improved design during his recent long absence. Again without a shred of proof, no prototype, no YT video.)

So maybe that's the answer to the perfect OU scam --- you don't need to demonstrate an apparatus at all, just _claim_ you've made one in the past, and that you are under an NDA, so all you can do is tell people how to build it...... and if they can't get it working, well, it's their fault then, isn't it. 

The FTW QEG is in this category too: just claim you have a working prototype when you really don't, mention Tesla's name and some random patents, have a good rap and a few crowdfunders, and watch the money roll in. Then flee to Morocco where you can try to continue the scam without worrying about legal complications. Never once do you actually have to demonstrate a real self-runner, not in person nor on YT.

Title: Re: Creating the perfect overunity Scam
Post by: conradelektro on February 06, 2016, 09:01:07 AM
Forget OU-scams, they only catch technically minded people, who are a minority.

The real big scams, reeling in billions of victims are: religion, esoterics and politics! One could call the three together: philosophy!

Philosophy offers intangible goods and never has to prove anything by technical means. The victims create the proof in their minds and the victims gratify themselves (it is called a "believe structure").

There is a fourth area closely bound to philosophy (religion, esoterics and politics), and it is: economy!

From religion, esoterics and politics (from the "ruling philosophy" of a society) follows a certain way people are doing economics.

Many think that people are driven by material goods. But every action stems from a certain philosophy (a mixture of religion, esoterics and politics) in a persons mind (and yes, also in your mind, although you are a clever and open minded person).

The biggest thing in economics is the fiction of "money". Read up on "money" and you will get at least ten explanations. The only consistent answer is: money is a religious believe, you may call it a "god" which has to be worshipped to exist. The priests of money are the bankers and the financial market leaders.

In fact, the good OU scamers act like religious or esoteric or political leaders, they create something in the mind of the victims and therefore leave the material world. The "philosophy" behind a good OU scam is the claim that bad people are suppressing the wisdom offered by the scamer and that only clever people see through that conspiracy. Material proof can not be given, because the bad people confiscate it immediately or at least talk it down in public (by teaching "lies" in the press, in schools and at universities).

Be aware of the big scams, the OU scamers are a negligible side show, they are the poor ones. Pity them, they had no success in religion, esoterics or politics.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Creating the perfect overunity Scam
Post by: SoManyWires on February 06, 2016, 12:30:33 PM
Forget OU-scams, they only catch technically minded people, who are a minority.

The real big scams, reeling in billions of victims are: religion, esoterics and politics! One could call the three together: philosophy!

Philosophy offers intangible goods and never has to prove anything by technical means. The victims create the proof in their minds and the victims gratify themselves (it is called a "believe structure").

There is a fourth area closely bound to philosophy (religion, esoterics and politics), and it is: economy!

From religion, esoterics and politics (from the "ruling philosophy" of a society) follows a certain way people are doing economics.

Many think that people are driven by material goods. But every action stems from a certain philosophy (a mixture of religion, esoterics and politics) in a persons mind (and yes, also in your mind, although you are a clever and open minded person).

The biggest thing in economics is the fiction of "money". Read up on "money" and you will get at least ten explanations. The only consistent answer is: money is a religious believe, you may call it a "god" which has to be worshipped to exist. The priests of money are the bankers and the financial market leaders.

In fact, the good OU scamers act like religious or esoteric or political leaders, they create something in the mind of the victims and therefore leave the material world. The "philosophy" behind a good OU scam is the claim that bad people are suppressing the wisdom offered by the scamer and that only clever people see through that conspiracy. Material proof can not be given, because the bad people confiscate it immediately or at least talk it down in public (by teaching "lies" in the press, in schools and at universities).

Be aware of the big scams, the OU scamers are a negligible side show, they are the poor ones. Pity them, they had no success in religion, esoterics or politics.

Greetings, Conrad

i agree. what you wrote there could not be more correct.
all religions are fal$e until proven otherwise, and using non violent or non marginalizing demonstrations in order to provide verification.
they can't.
so its impossible to expect them to bring anything meaningful to the table for humanity.
cults are just too volitile when not even being cornered, but rather offered them a level playing field to perform their showing of any proof that is not less than transparent.
however, their entire theory about cartoon characters in the sky that sometimes tell them to do this and that, as they keep saying, is just that, undereducated people that are lacking individuality of thought even long enough to notice how they might ever be wrong.
religion is the eprom and its believers are clearly programmable.
scary.
Title: Re: Creating the perfect overunity Scam
Post by: tinman on February 06, 2016, 02:00:45 PM
i agree. what you wrote there could not be more correct.
all religions are fal$e until proven otherwise, and using non violent or non marginalizing demonstrations in order to provide verification.
they can't.
so its impossible to expect them to bring anything meaningful to the table for humanity.
cults are just too volitile when not even being cornered, but rather offered them a level playing field to perform their showing of any proof that is not less than transparent.
however, their entire theory about cartoon characters in the sky that sometimes tell them to do this and that, as they keep saying, is just that, undereducated people that are lacking individuality of thought even long enough to notice how they might ever be wrong.
religion is the eprom and its believers are clearly programmable.
scary.

Ah yes-religion
And yet,all that may testify in a court of law must say-->what were those last 4 words again,when swearing on the bible?
So help me god--funny that ::). Just another on the list.
Big oil
Pharmaceutical
Governments
Banks--there all bad news to the human race. The things they try to get us to believe,and the idiot's that fall for it. Do you ever stop and think of what they are telling you?.
We have the ability and technology to send a robot to mars(many robots in fact),and control those robots here from earth--but we cannot cure the common cold. In fact,we have these brand new viruses popping up all over the place--not mutations,but brand new ones that just popped into existence  :D. We have had car's that can travel over 200 miles to a gallon of fuel--where are they?
Governments full of broken promises and corruption-that now make the laws all by them selves. Many cures for cancer found by doctors that the pharmaceutical big gun's bury or break--the list go's on.

So these OU fraudsters are small fry to what is out there in every day life--and you guys vote half these clowns into power :o These people(governments) are suppose to represent us--do what the people deem to be right. We pat there wages--they work for us---->but they do as they please,and we sit by and watch it happen--every day ::)
Title: Re: Creating the perfect overunity Scam
Post by: verpies on February 06, 2016, 02:17:05 PM
The real big scams, reeling in billions of victims are: religion, esoterics and politics!
Could you elaborate on "esoterics" ?
The remaining ones are clear.
Title: Re: Creating the perfect overunity Scam
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 06, 2016, 04:14:32 PM
you know,.. things nobody understands..
like "free energy" and stuff....
Title: Re: Creating the perfect overunity Scam
Post by: conradelektro on February 06, 2016, 05:31:57 PM
Could you elaborate on "esoterics" ?
The remaining ones are clear.

Only a few hints (because esoterics is such a vast field):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_esotericism#Later_20th_century
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_esotericism#18th.2C_19th_and_early_20th_centuries

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horoscope

Just one example http://www.esotericscience.org/ of millions of web sites offering esoterics.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/esoterics  (formal definition)

May be you have already fallen for some esoterics. Almost everybody has more or less and every now and then. Esoterics are very interesting because they offer the super natural. Who does not want to understand the super natural? But if you try to get to the bottom of the super natural, you get lost in your own mind or you become a follower giving yourself up to strange ideas. It might be fun, but I am not brave enough.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Creating the perfect overunity Scam
Post by: conradelektro on February 06, 2016, 05:54:54 PM
Some thoughts about religion:

I am not condemning any religion. In fact I envy people who find solace in a religion, it seems to make their life much easier.

There are schools of thought who claim that religion is an essential part of every civilization. Or said in more simple words: no civilization without religion. Of course I do not know if that is true or not.

I see religion as an attempt to describe what is good and what is evil. And it becomes very dangerous and deadly if a religion starts to enforce what is good and what is evil. Therefore I keep my distance from religion, pure self preservation and cynicism.

And when I say "scamming is 50% of being human" I mean that religion is a big part of being human. And in many ways a religion has attributes of a scam. Religion offers intangible goods and draws power and also lots of money from that. In a way the followers of a religion are also its victims.

I have great respect for all religions, although it is more fearful respect, let's say I am in awe of the power of religion.

In the 1950ies one could still feel in every day life the huge influence and power of the Roman Catholic Church in Austria, specially in rural Austria. This oppressive influence started to be lifted in the 1960ies and 1970ies. Nowadays the Roman Catholic Church has lost ground and esoterics are gaining. May be with the massive influx of Moslims the religions of Islam will soon play the oppressive role (which I fear so much).

Watch out, religion is waiting to oppress you the moment they have enough power! Religious leaders are very nice people as long as they have no power over you. So, do not hand over power!

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Creating the perfect overunity Scam
Post by: conradelektro on February 06, 2016, 06:17:03 PM
Governments full of broken promises and corruption-that now make the laws all by them selves.

These people(governments) are suppose to represent us--do what the people deem to be right. We pay there wages--they work for us---->but they do as they please,and we sit by and watch it happen--every day

Governments (from the local level to the United Nations) do what they do because you and I let them do it.

You and I are too damned lazy and saturated to mount any opposition.

You and I think that politics comes to us for free. We have forgotten or over-looked that we have to participate in politics in order to have "good politics".

If I let you do politics as you like it without overseeing you, well, you will do as you please (and vice versa).

So, "the people" (I mean you and me) are digging their own grave by not participation in earnest in politics. Only during revolutions enough people stand up to make a difference.

Greetings, Conrad (and I am as much to blame as you)
Title: Re: Creating the perfect overunity Scam
Post by: SoManyWires on February 08, 2016, 05:29:47 AM
Hold on, this is waiting to be approved by Peswiki.
wrong. tell the readers how they stopped marketing due to the fact they never actually had a working overunity processor.
being that you are very delusional, you wish to lie and profit on it through means of marketing affiliation.
everybody already knows this about peswiki just about, other than $ome of your readers who are being CONstantly mi$$informed by you and the scammers you keep offering a rented podium to in which to take advantage of decent people.
always never showing working proof, that is the embodiment of your entire work$.
your circus act is performing exactly as religion$ would so desire.
the problem there too is, that all religion$ are fal$e.
mokidtouchhommad or that other cartoon character in the. happy meadows floating above the clouds on a magic carpet of dictatorship, none of them are real.
customized over time and molded into 200 or so other variations on unprovable theoretics, sure does give alotmof leeway for a ongoing series of marginalizations and war$.
as sociopaths would wish to create deceptions to the point of subtle hypnosis, religion is their perfect vechile in which to redecorate the shortbus of narrow thought, to fleece their flock as profitable prophet$ do.
i won't begin to talk about the main topic of why a lie detector pass was not achieved by your less known sterling, too disgusted at seeing what affect his behavior has on those kinds of victims. he's just a very strange and somewhat dangerous medically untreated individual who thinks he's the next overlording entity due to eating a few too many bowls of alphabetic soup du jour.....
goodbye.




the delaminating feldweeble with the bent peswiki badge did not like acknowledging this truth. -_-

peswiki, creating the perfect underunity scam for many wasted years
Title: Re: Creating the perfect overunity Scam
Post by: SoManyWires on February 10, 2016, 02:59:32 AM

Stuart Campbell
Stuart Campbell  2 days ago
Thank you. It makes me realise I am doing my job well.
Goodbye and Bon Voyage.



to do your job well, would be if you quit your job at scamwiki.
it might help your case should you find yourself being presented in front of a public juried court within the usa legal system, in the name of showing you actually are trying to appear that you mean well, and not the other way around.

there are active frauds being sold on your website that you run blindly with your most unusual messiah of fraudulent business partners.
he failed some rather important lie detector test (creepy!),
would fail if lie detector test was asked of you in reguards to the still marketed list of profitable frauds listed on your storefront of a website?
you know it, we know it.
and so would your present marketed products that you do not seem to be removing from your inventory.

are you going to use the lost marbles excuse on judgement day should you ever finally be brought before the law?
your operation is supporting criminal profit.

goodbye as in when the authorities finally catch up with your storefront peddling frauds.

wonder how many meaningful people that did wish to find world solutions of importance, shook their heads in frustration and walked away from bothering to continue after realizing you are willing to waste their time in the name of your profiteering. frauds take the wind out of peoples sails.
how much did you make from this website in the past couple years?
enough to cover the costs of a moroccan uninstalled working well pump that runs off solar power?
ya.

you are a fraud for being the conduit you are for marketing their untested products that are frauds by design.

(and be sure to tell them you heard it about it on peswiki.com so they can give you a 10% discount off the full price!)
your disclaimers ring the division bell, this is how you are a travesty, still marketing as actively as somehow still legally possible.

hear its possible to retire in a hurry to morocco for just these sorts of thing$.


----

am officially BLOCKED permanently from peswiki due to what i wrote previously that he also deleted from record.
its a scam operation that makes its income directly through affiliation$. everyone here already knows that though.

ok, too much time donated to those scammers, going to move onto better things than peswacki.com.
hats off to those of you who help educate and protect others!

Title: Re: Creating the perfect overunity Scam
Post by: AlienGrey on February 11, 2016, 12:56:56 AM
Ah yes-religion
And yet,all that may testify in a court of law must say-->what were those last 4 words again,when swearing on the bible?
So help me god--funny that ::). Just another on the list.
Big oil
Pharmaceutical
Governments
Banks--there all bad news to the human race. The things they try to get us to believe,and the idiot's that fall for it. Do you ever stop and think of what they are telling you?.
We have the ability and technology to send a robot to mars(many robots in fact),and control those robots here from earth--but we cannot cure the common cold. In fact,we have these brand new viruses popping up all over the place--not mutations,but brand new ones that just popped into existence  :D. We have had car's that can travel over 200 miles to a gallon of fuel--where are they?
Governments full of broken promises and corruption-that now make the laws all by them selves. Many cures for cancer found by doctors that the pharmaceutical big gun's bury or break--the list go's on.

So these OU fraudsters are small fry to what is out there in every day life--and you guys vote half these clowns into power :o These people(governments) are suppose to represent us--do what the people deem to be right. We pat there wages--they work for us---->but they do as they please,and we sit by and watch it happen--every day ::)



 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77LEblQNI94
Title: Re: Creating the perfect overunity Scam [Humour]
Post by: F6FLT on December 16, 2018, 06:16:49 PM

Do you really believe in Santa Claus?   ;D

Title: Re: Creating the perfect overunity Scam
Post by: lancaIV on December 16, 2018, 06:49:17 PM
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolaus_von_Myrahttps://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heilige_Drei_K%C3%B6nige (https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolaus_von_Myrahttps://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heilige_Drei_K%C3%B6nige)
The north-american comercial "Santa (Ni) Claus" is a mixture from the middle-european 6.th of December and thesouth-european 6 .th of January "present day" -traditionalism,  religion meets esoteric meets industrial market.
I do not think that Ni-k/c-o-laus alias "Knecht Ruprecht" did have in the warm Phenike as carriage-drive a Ren, "Rudolf".And a Christmes/-se three is only since 200 years part from this pseudo-religious marketing.But to get rich presents from the " esoteric idiots" also called grand-/ parents is ever fine
Title: Re: Creating the perfect overunity Scam
Post by: dxer_87 on January 15, 2019, 12:06:49 PM
From many years I am interested in sources of energy and low energy devices. I was believing much in Sterling D Allan work. But when i found he is a public person mostly because he is a pedophile, that's very sad. I lost my faith in this man.

My first ask here can magnets have magnetic potential energy? I answered to these questions after years and yes. There is something like magnetic potential energy that is even simple to calculate. You only need a dimensions of a magnet and energy density of it. If you multiplicate one by another, then you have magnetic potential energy. Everything is fine, the units are correct. The only thing is you should divide it by two, because potential magnetic energy is used in most projects only from one side. The proof of this concept are patents land shows like those from Muammer Yildiz. I even tried to enhance this project for easier stopping the permanent magnet motors. I found you can use an electric motor/generator on one shaft supplied by acid battery. This runs as generator when the energy is transferred to electricity and as a break to stop whole device when the coils are powered in the wrong direction from acid battery.

I was amazed that some man from Georgia used such idea and say he is selling such devices. That was possible. But... that was a big scam called Magmov. And this scam is still active. Many invested their money and time for that person.

Another project that proved me that potential energy of permanent magnets is old Searl generator.

Those concepts are very easy, and easy to calculate or understand. But still the common physics books says "magnets don't represent energy". Newton says when apple is holding the ground it has gravity potential energy in vertical. When a child says that a magnet is holding freezer so it has magnetic potential energy in horizontal, he is ridiculed. This worldwide lie won't stay long. Believe me. And yes, you can replicate in your garage the work of Muammer, the work of Searl. That will work and gives you what all we want as bread, the electric generator.

But, getting back to this Newton thought that he argumented by a simple equation of an object dimensions and its density, when these force in vertical is freely available, many tried to use it to produce gravity motor. Those are ridiculued too. So i took a patent and tried to make equations for those motors. And these are very simple to mathematically prove that they must work according to Earth gravity. How to make it? You take an image of motor, you write forces as vectors, then you divide it on the left on the right side cut in the shaft. You calculate the left torque, you calculate the right torque, one must be bigger from another, then you subtract them and here you go, these is torque of your motor. These torque is multiplied by dimensions and you have the average power of the machine. The only condition is that the torques differences must be bigger than friction in any state of the shaft, that problem was pretty done in bhaskara motor. The total torque was almost perfectly stablein any state. (The shaft is horizontal). But still a science is saying nothing smart about those devices or more, it is telling lies that gravity motor cannot work. True physics by true scientists! Very sad. Do the math of solid of revolution. It's very easy, the equations are known and the patents are available. And yes, you can replicate those.

And these is for the beginners I think very good. This shows that we are taught in school many times pack of lies. We saw images of gravity motors with description: this is fail, this was medievial scam. No, it was a great technology that is lost and we need to dig and burn as idiots. The only material for gravity motor is steel and a bit of grease... Keep your research my friends, open your schemes, show your ideas and tries. We must protect those technologies, though we are not earning nor dollars nor bitcoin which I found is a biggest scam of XXI century (about 500 billions of dollars lost for this mafia worldwide, even Asus and Nvidia was fooled...).

Muammer was a good reasearcher and inventor but I think he is lost business and nothing more gonna happen. Don't believe you can buy this. Build your own.

Yours sincerely Dxer from Poland.
Title: Re: Creating the perfect overunity Scam
Post by: F6FLT on January 16, 2019, 09:45:58 AM
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So with that in mind how would you create the perfect overunity device that could fool not only the general public but also someone with a Masters in Electrical Engineer or a PhD in Nuclear Physics?
Follow the example of Andrea Rossi!  ;)
Title: Re: Creating the perfect overunity Scam
Post by: F6FLT on January 16, 2019, 11:03:18 AM
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My first ask here can magnets have magnetic potential energy? I answered to these questions after years and yes.
...

You're right. They have a magnetic potential energy, just as masses have a gravitational potential energy. This means that magnets moving from a starting position to a position of less magnetic potential energy will provide energy, and you will need to provide energy to move the magnets back to their initial position. The energy involved in both cases is the difference of magnetic potential energy between the start position and final position. A magnetic potential energy is determined by the configuration of the magnets, in particular by the topology of their magnetic field in space, which has an energy density B²/(2*µ).

It should be noted that, as with any potential energy, the work produced or consumed to move from one position to another does not depend on the path, but only on the difference of potential energy between start and end position. No energy gain can be obtained from the potential energy in a cycle: since the start and end positions are identical, the difference of potential energy is zero, so there is no cause for the magnets to move between both.
Title: Re: Creating the perfect overunity Scam
Post by: F6FLT on January 17, 2019, 11:30:42 AM
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So with that in mind how would you create the perfect overunity device that could fool not only the general public but also someone with a Masters in Electrical Engineer or a PhD in Nuclear Physics?
Follow the example of Andrea Rossi!  ;)

May be I'm wrong !
https://animpossibleinvention.com/2019/01/16/the-moment-of-truth-is-getting-close-with-launch-on-january-31st/