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## Solid States Devices => solid state devices => Topic started by: ryder2344321 on February 01, 2016, 01:37:06 AM

Title: How to Build a Toroidal Free Energy Generator
Post by: ryder2344321 on February 01, 2016, 01:37:06 AM
I'm sharing on my blog (link below), a step by step process of how to build a working free energy device. With only a basic knowledge of electronics, the device can be built easily and quickly. I've called the device QEG2 because is loosely based on QEG.

https://qeg2.wordpress.com/
Title: Re: How to Build a Toroidal Free Energy Generator
Post by: TinselKoala on February 02, 2016, 07:05:32 AM
I'm sharing on my blog (link below), a step by step process of how to build a working free energy device. With only a basic knowledge of electronics, the device can be built easily and quickly. I've called the device QEG2 because is loosely based on QEG.

https://qeg2.wordpress.com/ (https://qeg2.wordpress.com/)

Well, I'm impressed. You seemed to have some knowledge of what you are doing... until I got to this part:

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A fully tuned QEG2 will produce about 1 kilo watts per hour of additional power.

Kilo watts per hour. So it's clear from that phrase that you don't understand basic electrical quantities. Suppose I told you my car went 60 miles per hour per hour. What would you think then? The Watt, dear "ryder", is a unit of power, equivalent to one Joule of energy _per second_ passing your point of measurement. "Kilowatts per hour" only makes sense if you are talking about some rate of change of power, not power itself. Look it up! This is _basic_ knowledge of electronics... not even that, it's just electricity and proper measurement units.

So, ignoring for the moment your evident mistaken understanding of just what a Watt actually is, what proof can you present that your device is actually overunity? Can you show it running itself? Of course you cannot.  I note that the bulb isn't even lit up in the photo on your blog. (But how could it be, when it isn't even actually wired into the circuit, according to your photo? What magic is this?)

Do you have a proper wideband power analyzer that you can connect to your system to show actual high-quality measurements of input and output power? An oscilloscope that can do proper waveform math, used properly and presented in a clear unequivocal manner? Or will we be treated to DMM measurements, Kill-a-Watt meters and glowing lightbulbs, as is typical? I can hardly wait.

The "Fix the World" QEG is a scam and we all know it. It never functioned as the Robitailles claimed when they were sucking up money from their various fundraisers, it never ran itself and never will. Most of the people who got scammed have already given up even trying to get their six-thousand-dollar doorstops to work as any kind of efficient generators, much less "be started by a crank mechanism" or "running their homes".  By associating yourself with that scam in any way you are subtracting lots of points from your credibility before you even start.

Be that all as it may.... can you explain to us Free Energy novices just how your mains adapter power converter and your light bulb load are supposed to operate _at all_ , when they are connected to their terminal strip as shown in your photo?

Looking at your photo more closely, I can see that you are using the 555 timer in a very simple astable configuration to generate a clock signal (frequency varied by the potentiometer) for the 4017 decade counter. You are using 8 of the 10 outputs of the decade counter to drive the Bases of the 8 transistors in a high-side switching arrangement, which in turn are driving the 8 "rotor" coils in sequence. It is interesting that you appear to have the Pin 14 Clock input tied High and are using the Pin 13 Inhibit pin to make the chip advance on the negative transition of the timing impulse from Pin 3 of the 555. It's rather odd that you aren't using series base resistors, pulldowns or other typical components, and your 555 circuit itself is probably the simplest I've seen. For example there doesn't even seem to be anything connected to Pin 4, which is typically connected along with Pin 8 to the positive power supply. And there are no bypass or decoupling caps used, just the timing capacitor. I can't quite see all the details of the 555 circuit on your image, like the resistor color-code markings or the cap value, so I don't know your intended frequency range,  but it's easy enough to set up a proper astable 555 circuit that will do what yours is intended to do. This arrangement is clearly intended to drive your 8 "rotor" coils in a stepped sequential manner simulating rotation (even though you are leaving a gap in the sequence by omitting two of the 10 outputs of the decade counter.) And the pot on the 555 is intended to control the speed of the simulated rotation.

It will be fun to wire up this circuit on my breadboards and see if I can get some LEDs flashing in sequence.

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toroidal energy also known as zero-point energy (radiant energy)
Also known as ... BS.
No, Zero-point energy is a real thing with an actual physical definition,  but you don't know what it actually is. I'll tell you now what it _isn't_ though. It's not "toroidal energy" or "radiant energy".
Title: Re: How to Build a Toroidal Free Energy Generator
Post by: AlienGrey on February 02, 2016, 02:43:50 PM
Well, I'm impressed. You seemed to have some knowledge of what you are doing... until I got to this part:

Kilo watts per hour. So it's clear from that phrase that you don't understand basic electrical quantities. Suppose I told you my car went 60 miles per hour per hour. What would you think then? The Watt, dear "ryder", is a unit of power, equivalent to one Joule of energy _per second_ passing your point of measurement. "Kilowatts per hour" only makes sense if you are talking about some rate of change of power, not power itself. Look it up! This is _basic_ knowledge of electronics... not even that, it's just electricity and proper measurement units.

So, ignoring for the moment your evident mistaken understanding of just what a Watt actually is, what proof can you present that your device is actually overunity? Can you show it running itself? Of course you cannot.  I note that the bulb isn't even lit up in the photo on your blog. (But how could it be, when it isn't even actually wired into the circuit, according to your photo? What magic is this?)

Do you have a proper wideband power analyzer that you can connect to your system to show actual high-quality measurements of input and output power? An oscilloscope that can do proper waveform math, used properly and presented in a clear unequivocal manner? Or will we be treated to DMM measurements, Kill-a-Watt meters and glowing lightbulbs, as is typical? I can hardly wait.

The "Fix the World" QEG is a scam and we all know it. It never functioned as the Robitailles claimed when they were sucking up money from their various fundraisers, it never ran itself and never will. Most of the people who got scammed have already given up even trying to get their six-thousand-dollar doorstops to work as any kind of efficient generators, much less "be started by a crank mechanism" or "running their homes".  By associating yourself with that scam in any way you are subtracting lots of points from your credibility before you even start.

Be that all as it may.... can you explain to us Free Energy novices just how your mains adapter power converter and your light bulb load are supposed to operate _at all_ , when they are connected to their terminal strip as shown in your photo?

Looking at your photo more closely, I can see that you are using the 555 timer in a very simple astable configuration to generate a clock signal (frequency varied by the potentiometer) for the 4017 decade counter. You are using 8 of the 10 outputs of the decade counter to drive the Bases of the 8 transistors in a high-side switching arrangement, which in turn are driving the 8 "rotor" coils in sequence. It is interesting that you appear to have the Pin 14 Clock input tied High and are using the Pin 13 Inhibit pin to make the chip advance on the negative transition of the timing impulse from Pin 3 of the 555. It's rather odd that you aren't using series base resistors, pulldowns or other typical components, and your 555 circuit itself is probably the simplest I've seen. For example there doesn't even seem to be anything connected to Pin 4, which is typically connected along with Pin 8 to the positive power supply. And there are no bypass or decoupling caps used, just the timing capacitor. I can't quite see all the details of the 555 circuit on your image, like the resistor color-code markings or the cap value, so I don't know your intended frequency range,  but it's easy enough to set up a proper astable 555 circuit that will do what yours is intended to do. This arrangement is clearly intended to drive your 8 "rotor" coils in a stepped sequential manner simulating rotation (even though you are leaving a gap in the sequence by omitting two of the 10 outputs of the decade counter.) And the pot on the 555 is intended to control the speed of the simulated rotation.

It will be fun to wire up this circuit on my breadboards and see if I can get some LEDs flashing in sequence.
Also known as ... BS.
No, Zero-point energy is a real thing with an actual physical definition,  but you don't know what it actually is. I'll tell you now what it _isn't_ though. It's not "toroidal energy" or "radiant energy".

what it _isn't_ though. It's not "toroidal energy" or "radiant energy".
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Well if you do i don’t think it's going to work, like that!

Some time ago last year A Russian guy  sent me a link to another version of that type of unit, the disk former wasn't steel, it was thin laminations of iron made from a  stripping down some thing else (in Russian) it was much the same as this one with old relay coils round the inner nodules pointing into the centre, but in the centre was an alloy can made from a gutted capacitor filled with magnetic fluid, once it was started it showed a small light bulb lit up.

I don't have the link now, sorry win xp to win 7 saga again, ;) but Nickz, i sent it to him, he might still have it, if your lucky ;) but alas we see so many that come to nothing ;(.
But hen you have 93.5 atomic roster, now he keeps 'burbling' on about his device and the word monkey tree, this looks like a monkey tree (a bit) strange that.

I found the link after a search on my posts and google has terminated the account due to copyright! sorry

AG
Title: Re: How to Build a Toroidal Free Energy Generator
Post by: Paul-R on February 02, 2016, 06:34:10 PM
All working so-called "free energy generators" should be accompanied by a table showing energy in and energy out.
(and we'd rather not be dealing with areas under oscilloscope curves).
Title: Re: How to Build a Toroidal Free Energy Generator
Post by: TinselKoala on February 03, 2016, 07:45:21 AM
FWIW.....

I now can see that the OP has indeed implemented the connection between Pin 15 (reset) and Pin 9  of the 4017(where the 9th LED/driver would be connected), so that it resets and only cycles smoothly through the 8 coil drivers without a gap for 9 and 10, rather than using all ten outputs as I have in my video. Sorry about my confusion on that issue. I would normally do something like this using an Arduino rather than TTL/CMOS, but that's no excuse my for missing a jumper wire on his circuit breadboard! If anyone knows anything else I've missed please let me know.

I'd still like to know the answer to this, too:
Title: Re: How to Build a Toroidal Free Energy Generator
Post by: Lakes on February 03, 2016, 08:43:03 AM
Reminded me of this
Tk now builds one of these using wood dowels and lollipop sticks. :)
Title: Re: How to Build a Toroidal Free Energy Generator
Post by: AlienGrey on February 03, 2016, 09:06:08 PM
Reminded me of this
Tk now builds one of these using wood dowels and lollipop sticks. :)

Oh my, is that what they are, and i thought his day time jobwas a gynacologist, oh well ;')
Title: Re: How to Build a Toroidal Free Energy Generator
Post by: allcanadian on February 04, 2016, 11:57:58 AM
From the website--
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Here’s an explanation of the law of conservation from Wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy).“In physics, the law of conservation of energy states that the total energy
of an isolated system remains constant—it is said to be conserved over time.
Energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it transforms from one form
to another.”
You have to love science, lol, So the conservation of energy is like saying I'm going to call this closed box totally closed therefore energy must remain constant in it because its totally closed. I mean scientists are brilliant at stating the obvious aren't they?. For my next trick I am going to call an orange an orange, no it cannot be an apple because I have called it an orange therefore it must be an orange and not an apple otherwise this would violate the law of the conservation of fruits.

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It’s important to realize that this particular law only applies to an
isolated system. So, what is an isolated system? Again, let’s get a definition
from Wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isolated_system).In
physical science, an isolated system is either of the following:
1. A physical system so far removed from other systems that it does not
interact with them.
2. A thermodynamic system enclosed by rigid immovable
walls through which neither matter nor energy can pass.
So the law of the conservation of energy does not apply to anything outside our closed box or isolated system?, well that can't be right. Maybe, just maybe, energy is always conserved everywhere even when we can't understand where it's coming from or going to. I mean we can't know everything and to presume we do is kind of woo woo.

Most often the story goes like this -- So I'm sitting around a table with a bunch of nobel prize winning physicists and we all agree energy is conserved, I mean we all agree it is always conserved. Then I place a closed box on the table, tell them there is no battery inside, turn on a switch and it lights a 100w bulb. Next the physicists all declare my box violates the conservation of energy and must be a perpetual motion machine. Uhm... fuck me, didn't we all just agree energy was conserved in every case and now they are telling me no apparently it isn't?... so which is it?. It would seem to me that the conservation of energy must rely on their personal opinion because one minute it applies and then apparently it doesn't.
So we may need a whole new set of laws which state-- If a scientific person does not understand or believe something then the laws don't really need to apply and they have the right to just make up random shit to defend their position. Of course the whole universe must somehow just magically alter itself to suit their fancy but really this is just a minor technicality in the grand scheme of things. Reminds me of the wife... apparently right or wrong and the laws of the universe are variable and either way in every case I'm still wrong about everything.
AC

Title: Re: How to Build a Toroidal Free Energy Generator
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 04, 2016, 06:20:30 PM
that's the thing about the law vs the theory.

The law pertains to what we can "prove".
Thus the box must be closed from all energy entering or leaving the box.
Then, we can say definitively that energy is conserved inside that box, regardless of what we do with it.

Without a box, we theorize that the universe is the box. Thus, everything in it must be conserved.
That's a pretty big box, and I think we can all agree that energy values at localized areas within that box are not equal.
And, while they may be theoretically "conserved", that has nothing to do with our prospective use of them.

We cannot presume that we know every form of energy that may be available to us. go back just a few hundred years and most of the energies around you did not exist, some were even thought to be "impossible".

Is there some unseen force or emanation, that we may stumble upon and tap into ?
maybe a quantum stream of energy balancing out some super-quasar on the opposite side of our galaxy?
or maybe something more subtle, an energy potential that could exist in a small space, we just haven't found it yet.

another form of induction, than the electromagnetic one we discovered?

some natural atomic process that lets off energy that we may already be working on?

Even Tesla himself, the man who gave us a vast % of the modern technologies, claimed to know how to harness a radiant energy from the stars.

is that "thermodynamically conservative"? and at stellar distances we cannot travel to in our lifetime.,.. does it matter?
Title: Re: How to Build a Toroidal Free Energy Generator
Post by: zoomyy on February 14, 2016, 01:00:28 AM
does this work or is it a scam?
Title: Re: How to Build a Toroidal Free Energy Generator
Post by: seychelles on February 14, 2016, 09:34:08 AM
i will ask all here present one question. which motor will be more efficient one with permanent magnet as a stator or coil electromagnet stator.. the reason for this question is without a permanent magnet in any ELECTRICAL circuit, over unity is  not possible.. quote from super genius SEYCHELLES. please just ignore me to your peril..
Title: Re: How to Build a Toroidal Free Energy Generator
Post by: seychelles on February 14, 2016, 09:42:18 AM
second question why do they use a permanent magnet in a magnetron in microwave oven and not an electromagnet..
i know why the pm is there..
Title: Re: How to Build a Toroidal Free Energy Generator
Post by: Bob Smith on February 15, 2016, 04:12:51 PM
i will ask all here present one question. which motor will be more efficient one with permanent magnet as a stator or coil electromagnet stator.. the reason for this question is without a permanent magnet in any ELECTRICAL circuit, over unity is  not possible.. quote from super genius SEYCHELLES. please just ignore me to your peril..
There goes that "O" word again. ;D Time to call in the trolls to put out the fire.
Here's what I believe the only viable way to look at overunity - and I think this is something AC is alluding to.  Overunity cannot be achieved within a closed system, and purportedly closed systems that exhibit overunity are doing things that effectively nullify their status as closed systems.

A permanent magnet is in its simplest form an open system, converging energy in its most raw form from the dielectric at the dielectric plane, or what is commonly referred to as the Bloch Wall, and diverging it outward at its poles. A magnet is an open system device.

But there are systems with certain characteristic oscillations which foster dielectric convergence as well.  If evaluated as closed systems in terms of internal losses, they fail the overunity test without a doubt.  BUT if their interplay with the dielectric realm (as open systems) is taken into account as they are evaluated, they pass the overunity test.  Oh my.

Do we have to re-write the laws of physics to allow for this interplay with the dielectric realm?  I don't think so. It's simply a matter of acknowledging that certain conditions will take us beyond parameters within which closed system dynamics apply.  Within such conditions, closed system criteria simply cannot account for the overunity behavior of setups which interact with the dielectric realm. Again, these systems are always going to be less than 100% efficient when evaluated as closed systems.

Analysing overunity (>1 COP) systems using only closed system criteria is closed-minded.
Bob
Title: Re: How to Build a Toroidal Free Energy Generator
Post by: pulp on February 15, 2016, 05:27:08 PM
i will ask all here present one question. which motor will be more efficient one with permanent magnet as a stator or coil electromagnet stator.. the reason for this question is without a permanent magnet in any ELECTRICAL circuit, over unity is  not possible.. quote from super genius SEYCHELLES. please just ignore me to your peril..

+1
Totally agree. Ou is not possible without moving parts- rotor,stator and also a chain magnetic reaction between them - acceleration until destruction. Only this way the laws of nature will not be broken. So the device in this topic is not ou according to me.
Title: Re: How to Build a Toroidal Free Energy Generator
Post by: Bob Smith on February 15, 2016, 05:40:02 PM
+1
Totally agree. Ou is not possible without moving parts- rotor,stator and also a chain magnetic reaction between them - acceleration until destruction. Only this way the laws of nature will not be broken. So the device in this topic is not ou according to me.
What if instead of moving parts we have moving charge impulses, each with their accompanying changes in magnetic fluctuation? I see this as the same thing, but in solid state fashion.
Bob
Title: Re: How to Build a Toroidal Free Energy Generator
Post by: zoomyy on February 16, 2016, 12:48:10 AM
hmm, will gove it a go
Title: Re: How to Build a Toroidal Free Energy Generator
Post by: zoomyy on February 25, 2016, 12:14:22 AM
waiting ofr step 2
Title: Re: How to Build a Toroidal Free Energy Generator
Post by: AlienGrey on February 25, 2016, 01:17:16 PM
What if instead of moving parts we have moving charge impulses, each with their accompanying changes in magnetic fluctuation? I see this as the same thing, but in solid state fashion.
Bob

Bob well just bobing a long with your idea, how would you do that ? Suppose i have a 10 hzs sqr wave EW 5 up 5 down, the problem here is when its down it's off So how would you get it to Activate the Dead zone to On with out expending energy ? in order to create another higher frequency ? i know chop off a bit of the 'on' time cut it in half and move it along in time, Oh well done, but would that ffix it for that cycle ? till the next ans so on ?

Over to you Boby ;)
Title: Re: How to Build a Toroidal Free Energy Generator
Post by: AlienGrey on February 26, 2016, 01:46:06 AM
Err Bob, just had a thought after seeing vid on megaf0r site I supose the genorator could be the '494 switch mode device feeding a HS ferrox and rectirh it using HS diodes and use that output to drive a very large cap at high voltage ( just a thought) that could be like a smaller cog driving a bigger on giving HV say about 400v and storing a HA buildup (comparison) but then you have to some how get it back to 12 volt or whatever  with out losing power, but would it work ?

sorry over to you again ! ;)
Title: Re: How to Build a Toroidal Free Energy Generator
Post by: zoomyy on March 07, 2016, 02:34:50 AM
like tp see some power readings to see if overunyty is really reached
Title: Re: How to Build a Toroidal Free Energy Generator
Post by: Nink on March 08, 2016, 02:49:21 AM
I'm sharing on my blog (link below), a step by step process of how to build a working free energy device. With only a basic knowledge of electronics, the device can be built easily and quickly. I've called the device QEG2 because is loosely based on QEG.

https://qeg2.wordpress.com/

And just like every other QEG they only work when plugged into a power source.

Next
Title: Re: How to Build a Toroidal Free Energy Generator
Post by: sm0ky2 on March 08, 2016, 08:08:17 AM
...and also a chain magnetic reaction between them - acceleration until destruction. Only this way the laws of nature will not be broken.

This is why many FE inventors always have to "build another" of a device that "used to work" !!
Title: Re: How to Build a Toroidal Free Energy Generator
Post by: tomd on May 22, 2017, 03:53:36 AM
If you send a S.A.E, in return you will receive the blueprints for the QEG2 free energy device. I have to ask - why not just publish it on the internet?
https://qeg2freeenergy.wordpress.com/ (https://qeg2freeenergy.wordpress.com/)
Title: Re: How to Build a Toroidal Free Energy Generator
Post by: AlienGrey on May 22, 2017, 04:49:42 PM
If you send a S.A.E, in return you will receive the blueprints for the QEG2 free energy device. I have to ask - why not just publish it on the internet?
https://qeg2freeenergy.wordpress.com/ (https://qeg2freeenergy.wordpress.com/)
It looks like the hope girl's QEG to me ! buyer be ware !!!!!!!!!!