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Author Topic: Looks Like OU Senior Member Avalon Has DONE IT! New Video!  (Read 33820 times)

Offline Magluvin

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Re: Looks Like OU Senior Member Avalon Has DONE IT! New Video!
« Reply #60 on: January 18, 2016, 01:07:37 AM »
This clip is a good starting point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waTF7kjmmt8

But it still doesnt explain 'why' the polarity of the field changes with electron direction of motion.  In a perm magnet the electrons are circling the atoms and that is the only electron motion happening in the magnet, say it is in the middle of nowhere without outer influence of other fields electrical or magnetic.

So is there a video that shows that the movement of electrons in a perm magnet are what produces the magnets polarized total field? TK seems to say yes. That is what I would be interested in seeing. ;D

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Re: Looks Like OU Senior Member Avalon Has DONE IT! New Video!
« Reply #61 on: January 18, 2016, 02:35:44 AM »
Mystery solved (sort of...)

OK, here is the result of my playing with the device and the house meter.
My house  is connected to the utility through a digital smart meter. My meter looks like the picture attached to this post except that it is made by Landis & Gyr.

I do not know how old the meter is (it looks relatively new) but should've worked just fine, all considering. However, it has the same design fault as my dumb Kill-A-Watt device. Under certain conditions it does not work properly.
Yes, there is still power consumption but the meter doesn't want to know about it.

My next (and rather obvious move) was to go to a friend's house where the meter is still an old winding type. No pleasant surprises there. It shows some power consumption the moment my device is plugged in.
We also tried a different digital meter (GE, bi-directional) which worked just fine and showed true consumption.

After some digging I found this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQdeLQqaStA which shows the tear down of a smart meter. After watching the video and some additional experimenting I think I know the answer.

So, is my device consuming power? Sadly, yes. It does.
The smart meter doesn't register the consumption because it senses the current on the hot sides only. My device, however, once tuned to the resonance frequency of the transformer, draws the power on the ground side hence bypassing the sensor.
That bypassing is possible due to yet another side effect which I am not going to discuss in details as it will lead to replications of this cheating device.

(If you are unfamiliar with the US power distribution, 2 hot sides (220V AC 60HZ)are coming down from the pole. Next the hot sides are distributed evenly to level-out the load bringing 120V AC to end consumer.)
I am not going into the details of the ferroresonance phenomenon here, as I am sure you've tried  it. If not, here is a good read:

http://www.mdpi.com/1996-1073/4/9/1301/pdf
http://www.powerqualityworld.com/2011/04/constant-voltage-ferroresonant.html

Next obvious step was to try and change the resonant frequency and see what happens. Sure enough getting away from the critical point brought back proper meter functioning. Kill-A-Watt, however, remained dumb no matter what I tried.
BTW, my playing with resonant frequencies resulted to two additional events: 1/ I burnt down the transformer by accidentally disconnecting one of the secondaries 2/ I had to make another transformer in order to continue my experiments.

So, sleep well tonight. OU is still not here.

~A

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Re: Looks Like OU Senior Member Avalon Has DONE IT! New Video!
« Reply #62 on: January 18, 2016, 03:18:49 AM »
But it still doesnt explain 'why' the polarity of the field changes with electron direction of motion.  In a perm magnet the electrons are circling the atoms and that is the only electron motion happening in the magnet, say it is in the middle of nowhere without outer influence of other fields electrical or magnetic.

So is there a video that shows that the movement of electrons in a perm magnet are what produces the magnets polarized total field? TK seems to say yes. That is what I would be interested in seeing. ;D

Mags

There will be no video explaining any electron motion being the cause or giving rise to a permanent magnets magnetic field, or an associated electric field due to the motion of those electrons.

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Re: Looks Like OU Senior Member Avalon Has DONE IT! New Video!
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Re: Looks Like OU Senior Member Avalon Has DONE IT! New Video!
« Reply #63 on: January 18, 2016, 03:43:11 AM »
I feel as if the clouds are coming back, another vast empty dead zone untill the new hope comes.

Thanks for your honesty and dedication.

Still a useful device, maybe you can threaten to release this product and get a few bills out of it.


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Re: Looks Like OU Senior Member Avalon Has DONE IT! New Video!
« Reply #64 on: January 18, 2016, 05:12:37 AM »
There will be no video explaining any electron motion being the cause or giving rise to a permanent magnets magnetic field, or an associated electric field due to the motion of those electrons.

Take a look again, this stuff is all just basic nuts and bolts.  You saw the instantaneous magnetic field for a charge moving in a straight line.  It's a no brainer to make the charge one electron and have it move in a circle.  A circle is just millions of short straight lines strung together.

Here is the video that you said won't exist:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PgE5TE8KI4

It's for a hydrogen atom, big deal.  Note the circular motion equations are from grade 11 Physics.  It's essentially the same thing for an iron atom where you can ignore the inner electrons and just deal with the outermost pair (if I recall correctly) of electrons.

Every iron atom has a calculable magnetic dipole moment.  A magnetic domain is just millions of iron atoms with magnetic dipole moments that are all aligned in the same direction.  All of the magnetic fields from each iron atom do vector addition with all of the other atoms in the magnetic domain to give you a magnetic dipole moment for the entire domain.

A magnet is just a collection of magnetic domains where most of the domains are pointing in the same direction.

A magnet is ultimately just trillions of magnetic fields added together that are produced by trillions of outer electrons in iron atoms that are mostly spinning in the same direction and with the same alignment.

So the magnetic field from a magnet is simply due to moving electrons.

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Re: Looks Like OU Senior Member Avalon Has DONE IT! New Video!
« Reply #65 on: January 18, 2016, 05:42:31 AM »
There will be no video explaining any electron motion being the cause or giving rise to a permanent magnets magnetic field, or an associated electric field due to the motion of those electrons.

Well, just like "stars invisible from space" and "no moon landings ever happened" and "Armstrong's boots", you will just deny that any evidence presented is valid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7a0M11HIOY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khdi996HL5I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3TdF4v6jGU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO0r930Sn_8

And many many more.

Why do I have to do your homework for you?

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Re: Looks Like OU Senior Member Avalon Has DONE IT! New Video!
« Reply #66 on: January 18, 2016, 06:05:58 AM »
Well, just like "stars invisible from space" and "no moon landings ever happened" and "Armstrong's boots", you will just deny that any evidence presented is valid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7a0M11HIOY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khdi996HL5I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3TdF4v6jGU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO0r930Sn_8

And many many more.

Why do I have to do your homework for you?

Feynman is deep.

Mags

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Re: Looks Like OU Senior Member Avalon Has DONE IT! New Video!
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Re: Looks Like OU Senior Member Avalon Has DONE IT!
« Reply #67 on: January 18, 2016, 10:48:05 AM »
I don't. I am following the way you suggested in your post exactly.
If the device turn out to be  more than just a cheating box, I will open it up and show.
However, I am not going to promote energy theft for many reasons, if the device will turn up as an elaborate kit to fool the utility.
California or not, basic rules still apply.

~A

Good for you Avalon... I regret not understanding your prudence in this from the beginning.

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Re: Looks Like OU Senior Member Avalon Has DONE IT! New Video!
« Reply #68 on: January 18, 2016, 12:36:03 PM »
Well, just like "stars invisible from space" and "no moon landings ever happened" and "Armstrong's boots", you will just deny that any evidence presented is valid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7a0M11HIOY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khdi996HL5I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3TdF4v6jGU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO0r930Sn_8

And many many more.

Why do I have to do your homework for you?

When have i said that stars are invisible from space?.
Have you provided 3rd party verification to the moon landing's ?-->a must with all extraordinary claims made. The evidence provided for the moon landings come's from only one source,and that is the source that created the hoax-along with the government. This !no third party! verification go's against everything we insist on in these forums when extraordinary claims are made.

It is like i said in the thread at OUR--those that !!need to believe!! will go against there own insistence on third party verification when it suits them. We did not go to the moon in 1969,and we still cannot go today.

You have provided no evidence that we went to the moon. You have provided only what NASA wanted you to see. Star trek had more truth to it than the moon landing hoax.

The video's you provided are junk-
1- indian you could barely understand
1-kid that was trying to fumble his way through some imaginary science
!!And!! Feynman--Who also made it very clear that he could not explain or knows what the magnetic force is.

Then you only need to look at how the electron orbits the nucleus,and the fact that the electrons of an atom carries a negative charge that is equal to the positive charge of the proton. This results in a zero net gain. The electron will orbit the nucleus the same way always,regardless of any domain alignment. And where is the electric field that is associated with these moving electrons within a permanent magnet?.

You will also note that it was mentioned several times that this is only a theory(what they believe !may! be giving rise to the magnetic field),but are not 100% sure. If they had it all nutted out,then they could provide a very accurate description of what the magnetic force is--but they cannot.

So like the !!moon landings!!,you have provided no solid evidence that the magnetic field is due to some alignment of electron spin. Theories are not facts.

Brad.

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Re: Looks Like OU Senior Member Avalon Has DONE IT! New Video!
« Reply #69 on: January 18, 2016, 12:53:37 PM »
 

Here is the video that you said won't exist:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PgE5TE8KI4

It's for a hydrogen atom, big deal.  Note the circular motion equations are from grade 11 Physics.  It's essentially the same thing for an iron atom where you can ignore the inner electrons and just deal with the outermost pair (if I recall correctly) of electrons.

Every iron atom has a calculable magnetic dipole moment.  A magnetic domain is just millions of iron atoms with magnetic dipole moments that are all aligned in the same direction.  All of the magnetic fields from each iron atom do vector addition with all of the other atoms in the magnetic domain to give you a magnetic dipole moment for the entire domain.

A magnet is just a collection of magnetic domains where most of the domains are pointing in the same direction.

A magnet is ultimately just trillions of magnetic fields added together that are produced by trillions of outer electrons in iron atoms that are mostly spinning in the same direction and with the same alignment.



Take a look again, this stuff is all just basic nuts and bolts.

OK,so from you !basic! nuts and bolts stuff,explain in detail as to what the magnetic force is.

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You saw the instantaneous magnetic field for a charge moving in a straight line.  It's a no brainer to make the charge one electron and have it move in a circle.  A circle is just millions of short straight lines strung together.

Where are these electric charges and fields within a permanent magnet that move in a straight line? Electrons move in circles ?-->no,electrons do not move in circles.
A circle is just millions of short straight lines strung together
It is also a dead short--no beginning,and no end.

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So the magnetic field from a magnet is simply due to moving electrons.

And yet this is ass about to everything else you(and most others) believe in,where as the moving electron is due to a magnetic field that changes with time. When the magnetic field dose not change with time(as with a permanent magnet),then there is no electron motion other than the electrons orbit around the protons in the atomic nucleus.

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« Reply #70 on: January 18, 2016, 03:03:36 PM »
The math and the models seem to work beautifully, however the presenters start with assumptions that are not first explained e.g. electron orbital motion.

Accepting the present models and theories of the source of the electron dipole moment, we are still left with a fundamental question i.e. what sustains the electron orbital motion to produce a continuous electric current?

Tapping that "wheelwork" current and the FE quest may be solved.

Examining the extremely high "quality factor" of the earth's spin over many decades, despite a lossy frictional viscous surface induced by the moon's gravitational pull may hold some clues.

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« Reply #71 on: January 18, 2016, 04:14:42 PM »
The math and the models seem to work beautifully, however the presenters start with assumptions that are not first explained e.g. electron orbital motion.



Examining the extremely high "quality factor" of the earth's spin over many decades, despite a lossy frictional viscous surface induced by the moon's gravitational pull may hold some clues.

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Accepting the present models and theories of the source of the electron dipole moment, we are still left with a fundamental question i.e. what sustains the electron orbital motion to produce a continuous electric current?

And the very reason i do not think they have the PM theory correct.

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Tapping that "wheelwork" current and the FE quest may be solved.

I think a good start would be to find a device that relies on a continual linear force to operate,rather than trying to get a device that requires an alternating force to operate,using a linear force to do it. The PM produces a constant linear force,so we need a device that need's a constant linear force in order for a PM to power it. This !may! include the tapping of this continual current or charge flow carriers.

Do we know of any devices that require a continual linear force in order for them to produce useful energy?-->i can think of one straight of the bat.

Brad

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Re: Looks Like OU Senior Member Avalon Has DONE IT! New Video!
« Reply #72 on: January 18, 2016, 05:35:50 PM »
Avalon,  Glad you figured it out and have disclosed your findings.   I still think there is no reason to keep this secret and some good reasons to disclose it.   Many find the Smart meters an invasion of privacy as well as generating unhealthy EMF in a house.   Since this device can fool the smart meters this could give some leverage to eliminate their use if it became widely known how to fool the Smart meters.   I've had an EMF meter for a long time and when they installed a smart meter on a place I was living in another state I found a large increase in EMF in the house and it seemed to be coming from anything that was grounded including some pipes running under the floor. 
See:   http://smartmeterdangers.org/
and   http://emfsafetynetwork.org/smart-meters/smart-meter-health-complaints/

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« Reply #73 on: January 18, 2016, 06:01:52 PM »
Avalon,  Glad you figured it out and have disclosed your findings.   I still think there is no reason to keep this secret and some good reasons to disclose it.   Many find the Smart meters an invasion of privacy as well as generating unhealthy EMF in a house.   Since this device can fool the smart meters this could give some leverage to eliminate their use if it became widely known how to fool the Smart meters.   I've had an EMF meter for a long time and when they installed a smart meter on a place I was living in another state I found a large increase in EMF in the house and it seemed to be coming from anything that was grounded including some pipes running under the floor. 
See:   http://smartmeterdangers.org/
and   http://emfsafetynetwork.org/smart-meters/smart-meter-health-complaints/

That is a very interesting view you have and it has a lot of merit. A lot of merit indeed. The meters can cause cancer and then as a result, net the cancer industry up to 300.000 per patient.

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« Reply #74 on: January 18, 2016, 06:04:10 PM »
     Before he solved it,  did anyone suggest putting distance between the potential  Free-Energy-device( that this thread is based on ),  and any man-made  electrical-conductor or generator,  to see the results    .
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(  In the following ,  I incorrectly refer to conductors emitting photons,  I only type that to make it easier to understand . )

The motion of the electrons creates the magnetic-force in permanent-magnets  and  electromagnets .

    [    I got it wrong a 2 days ago,  I thought that the electrical-current in a conductor,  which causes the conductor to emit photons ( or the material that photons are made of,  you can't see it since it's at a different frequency to light, and has other different properties ),     I thought that that emission of material is what the magnetic-field is composed of.  So I could not understand how permanent-magnets  work,  since they have no reason to emit photons( or the material that photons are made of  .  ]

     However,  I just remembered that an electron has an  electric-field,  and when the electron spins in orbit,  it must magnify or multiply the field,  or something else resulting from it's motion.
     So,  what happens in the electromagnet is that the electrical-current merely polarizes the electron spin orbits in all the atoms( or the atoms themselves ) in the conductor ,   merely turning the conductor into a temporary magnet .
      So,  now I understand how a permanent-magnet  works,   the field is made of the spinning electric-fields of the the spinning-electrons,  ( the orbits of all the atoms are polarized ),  and,  isn't the  electric-field  and  the  magnetic-field  unified  in  the  'theory of relativity'  or another of einstein's  main  theories,  I think it is the   'theory of relativity'  .

I knew it before,  but I had forgotten it .

   [  UPDATE :  I also just remembered, or I could be wrong,  that electrons give of a photon( or the material that photons are made of ) as they go from one energy-level to another energy-level( eg. from a low altitude orbit to a high altitude orbit ),  and I wonder how often they give of these photons( photon material ),  because the electrons and the atoms-core must be hit by photons( photon material ) very regularly,  so  I guess that either,   the electrons-electric-field works by the emission and receivable of photons( or photon material ),  or it's not connected to the   electrons-electric-field    ]
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As i am unfamiliar with your house meter,it is hard to make any comment on this.
I can tell you that when i used my old arc welder out on the farm-where the house meter was the old wheel type,the meter use to spin backwards  ???. There is also a video on youtube from some one else that shows this happening. Im really not sure as to how or why this happened,but it did. This would seem to indicate that more power was flowing back into the grid than was being consumed by the arc welder(some call them stick welders). However- this new digital smart meter that is on the house i am in at the moment !dose! read the power being consumed by the arc welder,and dose not start !reversing! like the old wheel meter did.

Firstly,  what if the the arc-welder( a totally erratic effect ) caused the meter-wheel to do something like hops( like a learner-driver ) which caused the wheel to somehow shift backwards on it's axle.

But,  what if that stream of electrons( or maybe pure electromotive-energy ) running through the air from the arc-welder,  would actually start sucking electrons(  ( or maybe pure electromotive-energy ) of  the  air-molecules,  or maybe from elsewhere .
      - The best comparison I can think of would be imagine a stream of water running through air which is very humid( high water content ), I would assume that that stream of water could possibly attach alot of airborne water and or air/water molecules to itself ( if that would work,  maybe you could dry a room with it ) .

So,  that got me thinking about those claimed free-energy electrostatic-generators( some well-known ones ),  how do they work
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