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Author Topic: Looks Like OU Senior Member Avalon Has DONE IT! New Video!  (Read 51110 times)

e2matrix

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Re: Looks Like OU Senior Member Avalon Has DONE IT! New Video!
« Reply #105 on: January 19, 2016, 06:50:34 PM »
E2Matrix,

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how the Smartmeter
shown in the tear down video can tell the difference between
a 10 amp at 120V load and a 10 amp at 240V load.

Check out the single current sense coil with only two wires coming
from it.  Also note how one of the legs passes thru the Isense coil
in a direction opposite to the opposing phase.

Also note the small wires coming off the two main legs after the Isense
coil most likely for both circuit power and Vsense.

10 amps at 120V or 10 amps at 240V, how does it know? 

PW
Notice that what the guy later states is probably the current sense coil also has a heavy bar going into it and out of it beside the blue and white wires.   That is probably the neutral between the two 'hot' legs and so is a center tap on the coil.   

picowatt

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Re: Looks Like OU Senior Member Avalon Has DONE IT! New Video!
« Reply #106 on: January 19, 2016, 06:56:04 PM »
Notice that what the guy later states is probably the current sense coil also has a heavy bar going into it and out of it beside the blue and white wires.   That is probably the neutral between the two 'hot' legs.

The neutral is not connected to, and does not pass thru the meter in the US.

The neutral goes directly from the service panel neutral bar to the pole transformer center tap
(and a local ground rod).

There are two "bars" passing thru the Isense coil.  These are the two line phases from the pole. 
One of them passes thru in the opposite direction to the other which would flip that line's phase.

PW

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Re: Looks Like OU Senior Member Avalon Has DONE IT! New Video!
« Reply #107 on: January 19, 2016, 07:01:48 PM »
Here is something I have never seen mentioned.  Since the moon has no atmosphere (just a vacuum)
WHY aren't the space suits PUFFED UP as hard as a FOOTBALL?  Nobody has ever pointed that out!

Here is a VERY interesting video that shows 10 reasons they never went to the moon:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQyS-5ZmO_E
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Re: Looks Like OU Senior Member Avalon Has DONE IT! New Video!
« Reply #108 on: January 19, 2016, 11:08:48 PM »
You are really silly.  For one thing, the internal pressure is about 1/3 that of sea-level pressure.

Why don't you actually do some homework on your own before you post your silly conspiracy-theory mishmash?

https://www.nasa.gov/audience/foreducators/spacesuits/home/clickable_suit_nf.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo/Skylab_A7L

And as far as the other video is concerned -- I'm sure that one can find all kinds of out-takes from various movies that "prove" the existence of Wookies, light sabers, the Millenium Falcon, space warps and even intelligent raccoons. Have fun! But when you try to denigrate one of the greatest achievements the human race has ever accomplished, and that has all kinds of positive evidence and proofs, you'll have to dissect _every one_ of the positive proofs and somehow demonstrate that they are faked. Which you cannot do. Meanwhile very one of the "conspiracy" claims is easily disproven by real evidence, and all you are left with is stomping your feet, holding your breath and screaming "It's all faked" !!

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Re: Looks Like OU Senior Member Avalon Has DONE IT! New Video!
« Reply #109 on: January 19, 2016, 11:16:38 PM »
You are really silly.  For one thing, the internal pressure is about 1/3 that of sea-level pressure.

Why don't you actually do some homework on your own before you post your silly conspiracy-theory mishmash?

https://www.nasa.gov/audience/foreducators/spacesuits/home/clickable_suit_nf.html

And as far as the other video is concerned -- I'm sure that one can find all kinds of out-takes from various movies that "prove" the existence of Wookies, light sabers, the Millenium Falcon, space warps and even intelligent raccoons. Have fun! Which you cannot do.

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But when you try to denigrate one of the greatest achievements the human race has ever accomplished, and that has all kinds of positive evidence and proofs, you'll have to dissect _every one_ of the positive proofs and somehow demonstrate that they are faked.

I am yet to see any positive proofs that are not provided by NASA.

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Meanwhile very one of the "conspiracy" claims is easily disproven by real evidence, and all you are left with is stomping your feet, holding your breath and screaming "It's all faked" !!

OK,maybe we start with sorting out one simple problem first.
Where are the wheel tracks from the lunar rover in the pictures i supplied--from NASA them self,and one from the link you provided TK.


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Re: Looks Like OU Senior Member Avalon Has DONE IT! New Video!
« Reply #110 on: January 20, 2016, 01:00:55 AM »

OK,maybe we start with sorting out one simple problem first.
Where are the wheel tracks from the lunar rover in the pictures i supplied--from NASA them self,and one from the link you provided TK.


Brad

Very good point.  ???

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e2matrix

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Re: Looks Like OU Senior Member Avalon Has DONE IT! New Video!
« Reply #111 on: January 20, 2016, 01:22:37 AM »
lots of wheel tracks in some pics.   astronauts get out scurry around a lot covering the tracks.   Multiple shadow angles in pictures and fluttering flag explained by this popular physicist:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drSqtw0Qywk
There are explanations for all the nonsense claims that the moon hoaxer conspiracy nuts come up with.  You just need to dig deep enough and know how to interpret what is observed.   
Simple explanation of multiple shadows - there is light from the Sun, light reflected off the Earth as well as reflected light of the Moon.
Simple explanation of the flag.   It was not cloth - it was tin foil unrolled to look like a flag fluttering so it could be clearly seen in photos as the American flag.   


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Re: Looks Like OU Senior Member Avalon Has DONE IT! New Video!
« Reply #112 on: January 20, 2016, 01:56:02 AM »
OK,maybe we start with sorting out one simple problem first.

"First" it was the radiation, now its the tire tracks.  It just never ends...

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Where are the wheel tracks from the lunar rover in the pictures i supplied--from NASA them self,and one from the link you provided TK.

With but few exceptions, the only time that the rover leaves tracks in the lunar soil is when it is just starting off from being stopped, moving very slowly, or maneuvering in a turn or circle.

The physical properties of the lunar soil in concert with the layered construction of the wheels and the lack of atmosphere causes the rover to cover its own tracks.  Notice that even during full out rooster tails there is little hang time or drift of the dust as it settles rather quickly due to there being no atmosphere.  Also note that the rooster tails have greater upward arcs than are seen here on earth due to the reduced gravity (and lack of atmosphere as well).  Essentially, the lunar soil picked up by the wheels falls back to the surface directly onto the rover's tracks. 

Watch as many videos as you can of the rovers in motion and you will see how this happens.  Even when moving fairly slowly, the way the soil falls from trailing edge of the wheels (and between the fenders) tends to cover the rover's tracks.

Surely this explanation makes more sense than believing a crane was used to drop the rover into each "faked" shot instead of just driving it onto a freshly powdered movie set.  Are we also to believe that Stanley Kubrick, or whoever, was too blind to realize there were no tire tracks in the film being made?  Perhaps we are to believe that NASA was very, very smart and knew the rover would not leave tracks on the moon so they had to use a crane to prevent making tracks on the "movie set"??  It's all just endless and very illogical.

Both sides of all of these arguments have been beat to death over the years.  Surely, anyone who has made up their mind regarding what they believe the truth to be has already looked at both sides of all the arguments and will not be swayed by brief posts made here.

PW

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Re: Looks Like OU Senior Member Avalon Has DONE IT! New Video!
« Reply #113 on: January 20, 2016, 02:13:54 AM »
E2Matrix,

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how the Smartmeter
shown in the tear down video can tell the difference between
a 10 amp at 120V load and a 10 amp at 240V load.

Check out the single current sense coil with only two wires coming
from it.  Also note how one of the legs passes thru the Isense coil
in a direction opposite to the opposing phase.

Also note the small wires coming off the two main legs after the Isense
coil most likely for both circuit power and Vsense.

10 amps at 120V or 10 amps at 240V, how does it know? 

PW
I think the small wires are for the voltage sense coil and each leg of 120v has a current coil which all work together to average power consumed.   The basic concept is over a hundred years old and is a nice piece of engineering IMO.  I assume in a smart meter instead of having a wheel turn from eddy currents there is some sort of chip that senses the currents.   Some people think that it is less accurate in hot weather than the wheel based setup. 

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Re: Looks Like OU Senior Member Avalon Has DONE IT! New Video!
« Reply #114 on: January 20, 2016, 02:18:48 AM »
I knew nothing about the space program and then Apollo 8 happened.  That was a truly amazing moment to live through, people all around the world were transfixed to their TV screens watching the lunar landscape pass by through the command module window.  Then I followed all of the explanations for how they were going to get to the moon and even as a child I understood most of what they were saying.

In the 1990s I had to go visit Kennedy Space Center to take it all in like a kid again.

I am not religious, but this clip was a truly magical moment that those of us that are still around to remember it will never forget.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X84X-PP2Ako

This is a nice recreation in From the Earth to the Moon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_NZ4rSvBCg

This landmark achievement was the result of the sweat and inspiration of hundreds of thousands of people.  It's an insult to all that they accomplished to think that it was all fake.

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Re: Looks Like OU Senior Member Avalon Has DONE IT! New Video!
« Reply #115 on: January 20, 2016, 02:25:18 AM »
I think the small wires are for the voltage sense coil and each leg of 120v has a current coil which all work together to average power consumed.   The basic concept is over a hundred years old and is a nice piece of engineering IMO.  I assume in a smart meter instead of having a wheel turn from eddy currents there is some sort of chip that senses the currents.   Some people think that it is less accurate in hot weather than the wheel based setup.

Smartmeters are not a hundred years old.  The old wheel type only charged for real power.  It is readily apparent how the electronics of the Smartmeter would detect voltage (and power its electronic circuitry) thru the two small wires attached to L1 and L2 (those two small wires only being protected by the fuse on the pole transformer primary which doesn't sound up to code to me...)

However, if there were two current sense transformers, one for L1 and another for L2, all would seem fine and dandy.  But again, how current (and PF) is accurately sensed using just one Isense transformer is still a bit of puzzle to me.

PW

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Re: Looks Like OU Senior Member Avalon Has DONE IT! New Video!
« Reply #116 on: January 20, 2016, 02:57:03 AM »
Milehigh that fackery is even worst than that it started at pearl harbor when the Japaneses annihilated 5000 poor young defense personnel and then the trillion of wasted dollars to go to the moon not ,then to Vietnam and 911 that Mr Putin is going to let the whole world know on September 2016 that 911 was an inside job.. wake up people and smell the CAT VOMIT..

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Re: Looks Like OU Senior Member Avalon Has DONE IT! New Video!
« Reply #117 on: January 20, 2016, 03:02:10 AM »
911 WAS DONE FOR A MULTIPLE OF REASONS one great America is totally broke, so they printed billions of dollars note put on boing 747 and ship to Iraq and in infect these worthless pieces of paper suddenly had value because it is in circulation in the economical blood system of this world..plus the rest of the thousand of other reasons..i will let your imagination run wild and you will always be right. 

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Re: Looks Like OU Senior Member Avalon Has DONE IT! New Video!
« Reply #118 on: January 20, 2016, 04:40:56 AM »
Smartmeters are not a hundred years old.  The old wheel type only charged for real power.  It is readily apparent how the electronics of the Smartmeter would detect voltage (and power its electronic circuitry) thru the two small wires attached to L1 and L2 (those two small wires only being protected by the fuse on the pole transformer primary which doesn't sound up to code to me...)

However, if there were two current sense transformers, one for L1 and another for L2, all would seem fine and dandy.  But again, how current (and PF) is accurately sensed using just one Isense transformer is still a bit of puzzle to me.

PW

 smart meters are not but the principals used are.
if you look at avalons video of the meter being taken apart, you will see the current sense coil at the top.
it has 2 heavy conductors going thru it, one going up one down, one for L1 load one for L2.
the smart meter is an electronic version of the wheel meter.


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Re: Looks Like OU Senior Member Avalon Has DONE IT! New Video!
« Reply #119 on: January 20, 2016, 10:42:18 AM »
Tinman,

Have a look at this jpg:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Roving_Vehicle#/media/File:Lunar_Roving_Vehicle_wheel_close-up.JPG

This wheel design would gather up the lunar soil and then throw it out on the trailing edge.  When stopped, the soil captured inside the mesh would settle to the bottom of the wheel.  When first starting out or when moving very slowly the rover would indeed leave tracks.  Most times, however, these wheels picked up and threw out so much soil they tended to cover their tracks.

From the Wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Roving_Vehicle

"The LRVs experienced some minor problems. The rear fender extension on the Apollo 16 LRV was lost during the mission's second extra-vehicular activity (EVA) at station 8 when John Young bumped into it while going to assist Charles Duke. The dust thrown up from the wheel covered the crew, the console, and the communications equipment. High battery temperatures and resulting high power consumption ensued. No repair attempt was mentioned.

The fender extension on the Apollo 17 LRV broke when accidentally bumped by Eugene Cernan with a hammer handle. Cernan and Schmitt taped the extension back in place, but due to the dusty surfaces, the tape did not adhere and the extension was lost after about one hour of driving, causing the astronauts to be covered with dust. For their second EVA, a replacement "fender" was made with some EVA maps, duct tape, and a pair of clamps from inside the Lunar Module that were nominally intended for the moveable overhead light. This repair was later undone so that the clamps could be taken inside for the return launch. The maps were brought back to Earth and are now on display at the National Air and Space Museum. The abrasion from the dust is evident on some portions of the makeshift fender."

Cool video showing how the rover was constructed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aDSYTMqyQw

The rovers, like every other aspect of Apollo, were engineering marvels.

Imagine breaking down further than your life support would sustain a walk back to the LEM.

PW