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Offline pomodoro

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Re: Stan Meyer's Initial Technology Replicated
« Reply #60 on: February 08, 2016, 08:22:16 AM »
Chess there is no need to be a scientist to know about water conductivity, far from it. Its one of the most basic and useful tests done for determining the quality of water. All sorts of people without degrees  use cheap conductivity meters to measure the salinity of water. Hydroponics, aquaponics ,swimming pools, lakes, rivers, dams, and yes, tap water too! The quality of your gear looks impressive so its clear that you are a clever person. In the end its the quantities of gasses being made per quantity of electricity that is of paramount importance,nothing else comes close.. Measure the gas volume and the volts /current from the mains. Does that require a room of scientists to do?

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Re: Stan Meyer's Initial Technology Replicated
« Reply #61 on: February 08, 2016, 02:40:48 PM »
Chess there is no need to be a scientist to know about water conductivity, far from it. Its one of the most basic and useful tests done for determining the quality of water. All sorts of people without degrees  use cheap conductivity meters to measure the salinity of water. Hydroponics, aquaponics ,swimming pools, lakes, rivers, dams, and yes, tap water too! The quality of your gear looks impressive so its clear that you are a clever person. In the end its the quantities of gasses being made per quantity of electricity that is of paramount importance,nothing else comes close.. Measure the gas volume and the volts /current from the mains. Does that require a room of scientists to do?
@pomodoro:
The answer to your question is no.  I am going out on a limb on this one  ;)

Cheers,

Chess

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Re: Stan Meyer's Initial Technology Replicated
« Reply #62 on: February 08, 2016, 03:06:37 PM »
Chess
Personal experience is Most valuable indeed , I believe that other fellows who noticed unusual things happening
in front of them ...followed their nose and intuition to a happy discovery ..[Steven Marks playing with sound systems comes to mind ]

the fact that you are evolving A lot of _gas_ with no heat is truly interesting ,yes water chemistry and conductivity are
always relevant , but I would never diminish your personal experience and intuition !

at this point a qualified input power to a known out put in _gas_  would be a good start [even as outlined here with the submerged bottle and stop watch]

and of course qualifying the Gas and its composition ??

 

Thanks for sharing !

Chet

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Re: Stan Meyer's Initial Technology Replicated
« Reply #63 on: February 08, 2016, 05:23:22 PM »
I believe that there must be some dissolved salts already in there because pure water had a resistivity of 18M ohm.cm. Very little current could ever flow.
@pomodoro:
For someone who knows about resistivity meters, how could you NOT know that tap water contains dissolved salts?  Additionally, I have another question for you.  Does it take a room full of scientists to determine that tap water has dissolved salts in it?


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Re: Stan Meyer's Initial Technology Replicated
« Reply #64 on: February 08, 2016, 06:27:28 PM »
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Re: Stan Meyer's Initial Technology Replicated
« Reply #65 on: February 09, 2016, 08:07:52 AM »
Chess
Personal experience is Most valuable indeed , I believe that other fellows who noticed unusual things happening
in front of them ...followed their nose and intuition to a happy discovery ..[Steven Marks playing with sound systems comes to mind ]

the fact that you are evolving A lot of _gas_ with no heat is truly interesting ,yes water chemistry and conductivity are
always relevant , but I would never diminish your personal experience and intuition !
@Ramset:
The degree of reaction of the tap water to small amounts of wattage is a little surprising, but completely explainable when done consistently in resonance.  At first I dismissed the heat anomalies as faulty test equipment.  Then I leaned towards efficiency to rationalize my findings.  But now, I have more than doubled the gas production and the waste heat has actually DECREASED!  This is what bothers me.  This is not right at all.  Efficiency is one thing but this process is NOT 100% efficient.  So where is the waste heat?  Could it be absorbed by the conductors of the cell and dissipated through the external copper?  This is all I have come up with as of late.  Maybe my conductors are acting as heat sinks and are dissipating the heat outside the cell to ambient air.

This really has me thinking.  I can’t help but want to figure out what is going on.  I know there should be more heat.  I have always had significant heat in other electrolytic cells I have built before (straight DC and pulsed DC with various duty cycles).  And although I am not adding any electrolyte to the water bath, it comes with its own in small quantities.


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« Reply #66 on: February 09, 2016, 12:40:31 PM »
Damn, i believed some advertisement from the water company. They said they supplied us with pure water. Silly me.  :(
As far as your efficiency is concerned, you may have reached a very high value. Not that I've done this, but those journal articles claim well over 90% from the inductive pulse.[size=78%]
[/font][/size]@pomodoro:
For someone who knows about resistivity meters, how could you NOT know that tap water contains dissolved salts?  Additionally, I have another question for you.  Does it take a room full of scientists to determine that tap water has dissolved salts in it?


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Re: Stan Meyer's Initial Technology Replicated
« Reply #67 on: February 10, 2016, 02:02:09 AM »
If you all haven't been to this site, it's worth checking into and sending the two main guys an email or two.  They will get you headed in the right direction.

http://stanmeyerreplications.net/


Also, spend a moment watching the videos here:
https://www.youtube.com/user/hydrofuelincanada/videos

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Re: Stan Meyer's Initial Technology Replicated
« Reply #68 on: February 16, 2016, 11:50:31 AM »
@Everyone:
After extensive testing, it turns out that my process is endothermic and not exothermic.  So the missing waste heat mystery has been solved.

I read something interesting today:
Eric Dollard speaks on work going on that seems to be related to this topic, I believe, here, starting at 1:38:00 --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lWoLH21ITys#t=5881

"...doing the hydrogen-oxygen separation dielectrically instead of by electrolysis, as far as I'm concerned, from what I've seen definitely works. So the situation is, is to work with the appropriate harmonic wave form. The harmonic wave form is the critical part. And act upon water as a dielectric and to separate them by neutralizing the intermolecular binding forces ...it takes no energy to break the intermolecular binding forces by that means. Electrolysis is a forced situation. This isn't a forced situation. It's kind of an unlocking situation.  Now, the result of that is that you have hydrogen and oxygen separated, which desire to engage thermodynamically. Now when you go thru that thermodynamic conversion, that will give rise to energy. So, you have a situation with - potential situation - ...no energy required to break the water apart... "
Gee…where did I hear this before?  Give me a minute…   It sounds VERY familiar…

With Meyer’s technology, you are using voltage potential to split the water molecule…

…It’s like the different (difference) of opening the safe with dynamite, as opposed to using the combination.  You are switching off the water molecule’s covalent bond instead of blasting it apart with brute force.
If Eric did in fact state what was quoted earlier, then he sure knows what he is talking about.  This is indeed a bright man.

Very exciting things are going on behind the scenes.  Stay tuned  ;D ;D ;D


Chess

P.S.  And no, I am not running for president  ;)

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Re: Stan Meyer's Initial Technology Replicated
« Reply #69 on: February 16, 2016, 07:04:34 PM »
@Everyone:
After extensive testing, it turns out that my process is endothermic and not exothermic.  So the missing waste heat mystery has been solved.

I read something interesting today:Gee…where did I hear this before?  Give me a minute…   It sounds VERY familiar…
If Eric did in fact state what was quoted earlier, then he sure knows what he is talking about.  This is indeed a bright man.

Very exciting things are going on behind the scenes.  Stay tuned  ;D ;D ;D


Chess

P.S.  And no, I am not running for president  ;)
Bernie will win based on there being no competition due to your not running.

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Re: Stan Meyer's Initial Technology Replicated
« Reply #70 on: February 16, 2016, 09:25:54 PM »
Bernie will win based on there being no competition due to your not running.
I would have considered running, but they said I couldn't use the Oval Office for conducting experiments  ::)

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Re: Stan Meyer's Initial Technology Replicated
« Reply #71 on: February 16, 2016, 11:31:24 PM »
Nonsense; the Oval Office is continuously used to conduct experiments, mainly social.

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Re: Stan Meyer's Initial Technology Replicated
« Reply #72 on: February 17, 2016, 01:37:36 AM »
@Chessnyt
Glad you picked up on that EPD quote. It got smothered pretty quick when I put it up - no surprise there.  Here's another one from a man named John Myatt, who is a NZ Maori, I believe. He claims he was there when Meyer went to NZ and gave the Maoris his technology. Here's his explanation with a few extra bits removed:
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The key to the Stanley Meyer fuel cell lies in the "Tesla Choke" that uses "Tesla's Regenerative Effect" to effectively recycle charge by recycling the Back EMF of each + pulse to add to the next + pulse. This regenerative effect in resonance essentially cascades the input charges to 1000's of volts greater than what you actually input into the water capacitor.​

I use a Torroidal Core 1.50 inch in diameter, 0.25 inch thick, 200 turns of 24 gauge wire, 600 turns of 36 gauge wire with a blocking diode to isolate the impulses. I feed this torroid with a rectified 260 Volt Variac transformer switched using a circuit and only use about 110 Volts of this. I use a Stanley Meyer Capacitance calculator (WFC v1.0) and then use an online Tesla Inductance and Capacitance equations calculator to determine the resonant frequency of my fuel cells.

The 1 amp is restricted on the Tesla Choke, consumed by a light bulb before entering the Fuel cell and lastly is annihilated within the fuel cell itself because the input signal is 180 degree's out of phase in resonance. What your left with is PURE + & - charge without the magnetic (Amperage) stream. This pure charge without amperage is what rips apart the molecular structure of water gravitationally into its Hydrogen and Oxygen components.

The method of operation of a Fuel Cell is similar to Tesla's anti-gravity field theory that uses an EM gravitational field transmitted 180 degree's out of phase with the Earth's gravitational field creating a Standing-Wave that cancels out the effects of Earths-gravity on the craft allowing the craft to be magnetically repelled from the Earths magnetic field. In the case of a Fuel Cell the covalent bond that binds matter together is cancelled out within the fuel cell by using a resonant signal 180 degree's out of phase which simply switches off this covalent connection allowing the attraction of Pure + & - Charge without its magnetic-(current) losses to rip apart the water.

To cancel out:

Magnetism- the Hot electricity with its magnetic component passes itself at a 90 degree angle leaving only (Cold) pure charge without its radiating magnetic field component. Cold Electricity is also known as negative resistance.

Covalent Bond of matter- a pure charge Cold resonant signal is transmitted 180 degree's out of phase so that the signal passes each other at a 90 degree angle, pure charge can then rip apart matter into its elements.​

Gravity- the EM gravity field with its hot magnetic component is transmitted 180 degree's out of phase with the earths gravity field so that the signal passes each other at a 90 angle leaving the magnetic field of the craft to be repelled just like a magnet from the earths own magnetic field.

I haven't upped the voltage in this demo because I know people will just kiss my ass to no end. This video only demo's negative resistance to show that it is possible to have a amperage restricted reaction... I don't give a Poo if anyone understands this simple tech.

The HOT magnetic component of electricity is what enslaves mankind. The only reason we have the magnetic component in our electricity grid is because it can be measured as it radiates a magnetic field. This radiated field is measured and this is how the power companies bill us. When you buy electricity you're actually paying for is its magnetic field losses to surrounding space- this was designed into the system more than 100 years ago so that our energy expenditure can be metered. There is a secondary function of radiating a magnetic field in that as we consume power we are radiating more losses to surrounding space, so we have to buy more power. For example the Pentium chip in your computer, as this heats up it actually becomes less efficient and consumes more electricity as it radiates more losses in the form of heat to surrounding space.

John Myatt
Source:  http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=1153.0
All the best,
Bob

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Re: Stan Meyer's Initial Technology Replicated
« Reply #73 on: February 17, 2016, 03:28:45 AM »
Here's another post by the same person, I think (J Myatt) from a YT video which has since been removed (surprise, surprise):
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Published on Jun 4, 2013
  The WFC v1.0 software is Stanley Meyer's original software given to the Maori's in New Zealand from when Meyer went to NZ to share his technology. I used to give this software away on the net and teach people how to calculate and dial into resonance.

You can make your own Tesla Choke using a 20mm cardboard tube. You just wind 2X 190 turns of 5/10mm (Magnet Wire #24). The polarity of L1, L2 is very important as L1 must cancel out the Flux of L2.
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There's a picture in one of the slides on Stanley Meyer's Denver presentation that I'd uploaded in my video's.

Tesla Choke
• At LC resonance the positive pulse goes through blocking diode to the positive Tesla Choke.

• Positive pulse hits one side of the bifilar Tesla Choke coils.

• The Tesla Choke coil becomes NORTH charged at the end the diode is attached.

• The positive pulse hits the positive outside tube.

• The positive pulse hits the water.

• The positive pulse potential hits the negative inside tube.

• The positive pulse potential hits the other Tesla Choke coil wire connected to the negative tube making that end NORTH.
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Both Choke coils are wrapped the SAME way on a ferrite core. Stanley Meyer's diagrams clearly show that the positive choke has NORTH at the diode end of the positive Tesla Choke and the negative choke has NORTH at the Tesla Chokes opposite end.
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The most important aspect is that these fields with NORTH at each end of each of the Tesla Choke coils are that they are in polar opposition to one another, thus restricting current flow to the fuel cell. The Tesla Choke both restricts magnetics (current) to the cells and cascades back-EMF voltage spikes to very high potentials. Also the blocking diode prevents any reversals of current flow which prevents arcing from taking place within the cell. The system is actually series-resonant, so the output voltage is limited only by the Q of the system (by the resistance of the wires in the resonator coil).

Another way is we could just use Tesla patent 593 138 to transmit power and step the voltage up at the transmitter end, then step it back down at the receiver end. Rather than using only a step-down transformer in the receiver, instead we use a hi-Q resonator, and we allow the resonant voltage to rise to a very high value. As a result of this, massive amounts of EM energy will be "sucked" into the receiver and use this energy to power our HHO cells or sell power to the power grid.
Here's where I posted it:  http://overunity.com/6763/energy-amplification/msg410388/#msg410388
Bob

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Re: Stan Meyer's Initial Technology Replicated
« Reply #74 on: February 17, 2016, 07:10:56 AM »
Bob Smith,

It rather looks like the purpose of the circuit is to provide
the two plates of the WFC with the same polarity of potential
at a very high voltage.  This would set up between the plates
a strong field of electrical repulsion rather than attraction
as would be the case when the plates are of opposite polarity.

The result would be very little current flow, if any, between the
plates.

What are your thoughts on the quote from J. Myatt?

 

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