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conradelektro

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Re: Stan Meyer's Initial Technology Replicated
« Reply #45 on: February 01, 2016, 05:03:22 PM »
A good free Video Editing Software is Windows Movie Maker (which I use)
http://windows.microsoft.com/de-at/windows/movie-maker

This one should be good, but costs about Euro 80.--
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2424347,00.asp
http://de.cyberlink.com/products/powerdirector-ultimate/features_de_DE.html

This one is also good, but costs about Euro 100.--
http://www.adobe.com/de/products/premiere-elements.html


I think that the free Windows Movie Maker is good enough for straight forward videos. It even runs under Windows 10. It allows to add narration (voice over) and music. The offered graphic features are good enough, who needs fancy stuff. Video editing can not make good videos, only the contents can be good.

One can also add nice things (links, text, music) with the YouTube video editing function, once the video is uploaded to YouTube.

Greetings, Conrad

ramset

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Re: Stan Meyer's Initial Technology Replicated
« Reply #46 on: February 01, 2016, 06:20:40 PM »
Chess
Thanks for the update !

Chet

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Re: Stan Meyer's Initial Technology Replicated
« Reply #47 on: February 02, 2016, 01:48:16 PM »
Chees, cheers for the update.  The very low temp rise is impressive, but unless it actually drops in temp, where is the dissociation energy coming from?

chessnyt

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Re: Stan Meyer's Initial Technology Replicated
« Reply #48 on: February 02, 2016, 02:41:46 PM »
A good free Video Editing Software is Windows Movie Maker (which I use)
http://windows.microsoft.com/de-at/windows/movie-maker

This one should be good, but costs about Euro 80.--
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2424347,00.asp
http://de.cyberlink.com/products/powerdirector-ultimate/features_de_DE.html

This one is also good, but costs about Euro 100.--
http://www.adobe.com/de/products/premiere-elements.html


I think that the free Windows Movie Maker is good enough for straight forward videos. It even runs under Windows 10. It allows to add narration (voice over) and music. The offered graphic features are good enough, who needs fancy stuff. Video editing can not make good videos, only the contents can be good.

One can also add nice things (links, text, music) with the YouTube video editing function, once the video is uploaded to YouTube.

Greetings, Conrad
@conradelektro:
Thank you for the suggestions.  I downloaded the free Windows Movie Maker and it was very easy to add my sound track to the video.  I then uploaded it to YouTube and it was rejected because the song was copywrite protected  ::)  Anyways, thanks for the advice.  I just need to find music that is not protected.

@ramset:
You are very welcome for the update.  I'm glad it's all good news thus far  ;D


Best Regards,

Chess

chessnyt

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Re: Stan Meyer's Initial Technology Replicated
« Reply #49 on: February 02, 2016, 02:49:54 PM »
Chees, cheers for the update.  The very low temp rise is impressive, but unless it actually drops in temp, where is the dissociation energy coming from?
@pomodoro:
I don't think the temperature of the water bath will ever drop.  So far, the starting temperature of the water has always been colder than the room temperature thus the water will at best acclimate to its surrounding environment.  I have built cells in the past that have required an electrolyte and it has been my experience that even then the water bath temperature rises, and does not drop.  When operating those types of cells, the temperature rise is quite dramatic and always rises way above room temperature (some have even boiled).


Cheers,

Chess

pomodoro

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Re: Stan Meyer's Initial Technology Replicated
« Reply #50 on: February 02, 2016, 03:29:42 PM »
How many moles of hydrogen are you currently producing per Faraday?

chessnyt

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Re: Stan Meyer's Initial Technology Replicated
« Reply #51 on: February 02, 2016, 05:55:58 PM »
How many moles of hydrogen are you currently producing per Faraday?
I do not have the answer to your question; however, the question you’re asking is a good one. 

I am currently using a PSI feedback integrated into my tuning test equipment apparatus which allows me to analyze gas production on the fly.  This does not give me LPM data, but it works extremely well in the tuning process to measure subtle changes in gas production in real time while I’m tweaking various parameters. 

I am in the process of acquiring a hydrogen LPM flow meter, which will give me accurate measurements of the actual gas production.  This data will be released as soon as I am finished with the tuning process and I am in possession of the flow meter.  Thus far, I have not reached a ceiling.  This, to me, is the exciting part.

Expanding a little more on your previous posting concerning the water bath temperature; I cannot explain the heat (or shall I say, the lack thereof) anomalies.  I’ve been doing this for a very long time and I have never witnessed any of the anomalies I am seeing currently EVER.  Honestly, I am struggling to wrap my head around what is actually occurring. 


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Chess

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Re: Stan Meyer's Initial Technology Replicated
« Reply #52 on: February 02, 2016, 06:14:11 PM »
Chess, thank you for your excellent posts. Although I personally see little chance of this leading to 'the Holy Grail', I am still willing to provide my assistance (not money!) if wanted. I have done this several times (in the background) because I encourage experimentation: the voyage is more important than the destination.

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Re: Stan Meyer's Initial Technology Replicated
« Reply #53 on: February 03, 2016, 08:52:08 AM »
Chess, cheers for the reply. I believe that there must be some dissolved salts already in there because pure water had a resistivity of 18M ohm.cm. Very little current could ever flow. Exposure of this water to atmospheric CO2 already lowers this value to quite some extent. It would make sense to measure its conductivity with a cheap meter.  As far as the moles of H2 are concerned, a linear flow meter calibrated for H2 will not give accurate results if oxygen is present as it seems to be in your electrolytic cell. A measure of the total volume of gas in an inverted measuring cylinder filled with water would give a reasonably good estimate.


 

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Re: Stan Meyer's Initial Technology Replicated
« Reply #54 on: February 03, 2016, 04:27:43 PM »
Chess, cheers for the reply. I believe that there must be some dissolved salts already in there because pure water had a resistivity of 18M ohm.cm. Very little current could ever flow. Exposure of this water to atmospheric CO2 already lowers this value to quite some extent. It would make sense to measure its conductivity with a cheap meter.  As far as the moles of H2 are concerned, a linear flow meter calibrated for H2 will not give accurate results if oxygen is present as it seems to be in your electrolytic cell. A measure of the total volume of gas in an inverted measuring cylinder filled with water would give a reasonably good estimate.
@pomodoro:
Thank you for the information regarding the flow meter.  I will cancel the acquisition of the hydrogen flow meter.  I didn’t realize that the oxygen content in the gas would interfere with accurate measurements from the flow meter.  You just saved me a bundle of money ;D

Your alternative to taking gas flow measurements will be implemented instead.  I will have to resort to the primitive method of using a one liter bottle full of water inverted in a five gallon bucket with the HHO displacing the contents.  This will not be accurate, but like you said, it will at least give me a ball park figure to work with.

I have received some additional advice from another source to insulate the cell with foam or fiberglass.  I will also be heeding this advice in order to find out if the two degree rise in temperature is due to the process or simply acclimation to room temperature.  This same individual has also suggested weighing the water before and after test runs, storing the water in my lab, along with many other very clever suggestions to determine whether the process is endothermic or exothermic.  I will be including this additional information in my data logging.

Time seems to be my worst enemy at present as I work a full-time job that requires an average of 60 hours a week.  I have a lot of work to do but it will be done as opportunity allows me to.

As far as dissolved salts in the water; don’t forget that this is city tap water, which contains a whole host of contaminants (fluoride, chlorine, minerals, etc.).  This also lends to the conductivity in the water.


Regards,

Chess   

SeaMonkey

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Re: Stan Meyer's Initial Technology Replicated
« Reply #55 on: February 05, 2016, 12:33:07 AM »
Chess,

Very interesting topic you've implemented here.

May I commend you on your well constructed postings?
Your grammar, spelling, demeanor and very clear
(unambiguous) explanations are a superb example of
how it should be done!

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Re: Stan Meyer's Initial Technology Replicated
« Reply #56 on: February 06, 2016, 11:33:00 AM »
All chess needs to do now is present some accurate data and figures. Not all that easy to do, but oscilloscope volts and current to the cell and time to generate 100 ml of gas would be a start.

chessnyt

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Re: Stan Meyer's Initial Technology Replicated
« Reply #57 on: February 07, 2016, 10:14:07 PM »
Chess,

Very interesting topic you've implemented here.

May I commend you on your well constructed postings?
Your grammar, spelling, demeanor and very clear
(unambiguous) explanations are a superb example of
how it should be done!
@SeaMonkey:
Thank you for the comment.  I try to put forth my best efforts in all that I do in order to maximize the results.  This build is no exception.  Additionally, I try convey clear and accurate communication to those interested in these efforts. 

@pomodoro:
Room temperature during test runs is 75 degrees F and the resistance of the tap water (according to my Fluke digital multi-meter) is .749 mega ohms.

@Everyone:
Determining whether the process is endothermic or exothermic is the next order of business.  This a very relevant and important determination to make.  This was a factor that I simply overlooked in the past, but thanks to an anonymous source, I am now paying close attention to this detail as it does indeed merit investigating.

I am in the process of creating a “cocoon” around the fuel cell using fiberglass insulation.  I am also acclimating the tap water used in testing to room temperature beforehand. 

Please be patient with the forthcoming results.  My limited free time is hindering an expedient conclusion.


Best regards,

Chess

pomodoro

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Re: Stan Meyer's Initial Technology Replicated
« Reply #58 on: February 08, 2016, 12:32:08 AM »
I had a quick look on the net and there are a few journal articles that clearly show that voltage pulses of short duration charge the double layer only at first, because the speed of initiating electrolysis is quite slow.. Then,  the double layer discharges by the electrolytic process.
The efficiency reported  for electrolysis is considerably higher than DC, but not OU. Quite amazing.

Chess, are you sure you have been working on water electrolysis for ten years ?? Not being rude but surely you should know after that time that you can't use a multimeter to measure the resistivity of water. First of all its resistivity not resistance, also, you can't use DC , it needs to be by AC.. ;) ;)

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Re: Stan Meyer's Initial Technology Replicated
« Reply #59 on: February 08, 2016, 06:41:39 AM »
I had a quick look on the net and there are a few journal articles that clearly show that voltage pulses of short duration charge the double layer only at first, because the speed of initiating electrolysis is quite slow.. Then,  the double layer discharges by the electrolytic process.
The efficiency reported  for electrolysis is considerably higher than DC, but not OU. Quite amazing.

Chess, are you sure you have been working on water electrolysis for ten years ?? Not being rude but surely you should know after that time that you can't use a multimeter to measure the resistivity of water. First of all its resistivity not resistance, also, you can't use DC , it needs to be by AC.. ;) ;)
@pomodoro:
No, I have not been working on water electrolysis for ten years.  It’s more like 35 years.  Fortunately for me, the state I live in does not require a license or a degree in chemistry to perform electrolysis yet.  I’ve been building and operating electrolysis cells since I was a teenager.  In all this time, I have never used a resistivity meter, as I had been using distilled water mixed with KOH (and sometimes substitute electrolytes) in exact ratios in most cases. 

My background is far from being a scientist (like this is some great big revelation).  I have never once EVER claimed to be a scientist.  The mere fact that SOMEONE had to anonymously suggest that I check my process to determine if it is endothermic or exothermic should have been a VERY strong clue.  I think everybody noticed it was NOT my idea.

Additionally, I never even thought to insulate the cell until it was suggested to me just recently (another BIG clue along the way).
My background is in electronics, and in my professional career, I specialize in industrial automation.  I did mention that I do all this “building” and experimentation in my SPARE time, did I not? 

The scientific interests that will be reviewing my work at a later time will be using much more sophisticated testing and measuring equipment than I have available to me.  They will also be thoroughly analyzing the test water (I would imagine they know what a resistivity meter is, being they are REAL chemists).  I would also imagine they might be taking calorie measurements instead of the cheap and simple “K” thermocouple probe readings I am taking.   

I hope you are not crossed by my having to point out that tap water is in fact NOT pure water?   ;) ;)


Cheers,

Chess