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Author Topic: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.  (Read 50691 times)

Offline thevorlon

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Hello Everyone,

I have decided this is the thread that will be utilized for the attempted replication of Steorn's Permanent Magnet Motor.

I think to get started we need to do do three things.

1) Set some rules. No spamming or skeptical naysaying slandering on this thread. Honest skepticism is indeed allowed and encouraged, but NOT attacks or statements that show someone has an absolute closed mind.

2) We need to decide what we know so far about Steorn's technology. Basically, we know that one version of their technology is compsed of a wheel attached to a rotor. On this wheel there are four permanent magnets. On the stator there is a permanent magnet. When the wheel is moved in one direction energy is gained and the device with self-power itself. When the wheel is moved the other way the wheel will lose energy.

3) We need to find a source of cheap magnets that should be suitable for such an experiment and define the basic parameters of our attempts. Since Steorn claims that their device is scalable from the very small scale to the very large scale (while saying the effect works slightly better on the small scale or packs more punch so to speak) we should focus on smaller devices. Smaller devices would require smaller magnets and less materials. This would equal less cost and less expense for those of us with very, very limited financial means. Also, if we are successful it would mean making kits would be much cheaper.

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So who is interested in joining me!

Anyone know a source of very cheap neodymium magnets?

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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2006, 05:24:37 AM »
Nice babcat, err vorlon

Should be interesting to see what kind of interest picks up here. 8)

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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2006, 05:31:12 AM »
ok vorlon,

do you really want to build a magnet motor or learn about marketing?

i did like your idea of varying flux magnets.  but this bull caca about steorn isn't going to pay the bills i'm afraid.  i've seen em come and iv'e seen em go as the sayings would have it.  but i still like the idea! 

when you order your new magnets to start experimenting with, i would definitealy order alot of different sizes.  i think that is one thing i or anybody else i ever heard of tried.  see if you can get some idea of the sizes of the fields and some rational way to make them just push an object around a continuos 360 before you spend even that much.  it looks like you have the internet.  not saying that experimentation is a bad thing but it can't hurt you to look if your down to the wire.  been there and done that already.

lol
sam

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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2006, 05:31:12 AM »
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Offline thevorlon

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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2006, 05:42:55 AM »
First of all, I'm not in this to market anything at all. I want to build one of these motors or have someone build one. I want an overunity device to be built, period. The world I want to live in cannot happen unless we obtain new clean, cheap, and abundant energy sources. And the reason I said anything about kits is not to really *sell* anything, but once we get something working (if that happens) to make sure people will WANT to replicate it. If it cost an arm and a leg or took a lot of work to replicate no one would be that interested.

I'm investigating the best place to order magnets or obtain some locally. The only local option I am aware of are the toy kits called Magnetix, but for the number of small magnets you would obtain an individual could get more per dollar from any internet vender. I'm honestly pretty much down to the wire financially and I'm going to have to figure out exactly how I can get the most for my money.

I also agree on getting various shapes and sizes of magnets. Steorn has said that their technology is moving permanent magnets through magnetic fields they have created with permanent magnets. To try and replicate this I need to obtain many different shapes and sizes of magnets, but since I'm going to work on a small device I will generally look for smaller ones.

Also, I will need to do research into how magnetic fields work and how they can be manipulated by other magnets and various materials.

Of course, I want to be honest. I don't know how fast I am going to get the materials and magnets to start this, but I'm working on it now. My honest hope is this thread will take off like the lifters replication page on JLNLabs with a ton of people working, posting pictures, posting setups, etc. Quite frankly, I don't care if any of my setups ever work or not. It would be nice, but that's not the point. I want SOMEONE to make a working setup anyone can replicate. That should be our goal.

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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2006, 05:58:07 AM »

http://www.mullerpower.com/index2.php
and
google Perendev motor

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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
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Offline thevorlon

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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2006, 06:16:21 AM »
Giant Killer,

Thank for the link and the information. Apparently, that guys motor used a combination of various methods to achieve overunity. However, Steorn is doing it with only permanent magnets. In my opinion, that allows experimentation by the laymen and individuals who are not educated or skilled enough to build complex circuits or complex mechanisms. What I'm hoping is that we will find a way to produce a configuration of magnets either on the stator or rotor or both that allow us to produce self sustaining motion.

My ultimate hope is that we will be able to post plans online with the exact magnets and materials someone would need to purchase. Hopefully, the parts would be affordable enough so that the average person could build one and we will get tons and tons of replications. Once that happens, if it happens, the world would change forever.

However, I'm going through that page and certainly seeing what that man had to say. Anyone that can build something that complex and something that achieves overunity deserves respect.

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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2006, 06:43:21 AM »
REVLON,

perindev hasn't done it yet either, YOU CAN STILL BE THE FIRST!!!!!
that is all i am going to say for now.

lol, keep up the good work,
sam

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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
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Offline dean_mcgowan

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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2006, 06:59:32 AM »
you could start by posting a picture of the current steorn device .. i havent seen it yet ???

Offline thevorlon

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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2006, 07:57:41 AM »
We really don't have a picture of the Steorn device. We have pictures of a few test rigs in that there are additional arms for measuring various forces. But I cannot determine anything from them. All we really know is that when one set of permanent magnets on a rotor go through a magnetic field created by permanent magnets on the stator that the rotor will gain power when moving in one direction and lose power in the opposite direction. In one example of their technology there are four magnets on the rotor and only one on the stator, according to the claims of an individual who visited their lab.

Basically, the thing we need to do is see if we can get a rotor spinning by placing magnets on it and on an external stator. It's going to be a challenging task, but hopefully along the way we will get help from Steron. It was recently said on their website that the next part of their flash presentation would deal with the device and that it will be made clear then.

Does anyone here know of any retail outlets that sell neodymium magnets? Would there be any in common hardware stores for sale?

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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
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Offline thevorlon

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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2006, 08:33:22 AM »
I have a serious question I want to ask that is important in my opinion.

To push past a sticky point requires a certain ammount of energy.

Lets say we had a magnet on a rotor with north facing out and a magnet on the stator with north facing in so we have a repulsive force.

The key question is this.

Does it take less kinetic energy to push past the sticky point than the ammount of kinetic energy given after making it past the sticky point?
I think this is a KEY and CRITICAL question we need to answer.

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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2006, 10:48:06 AM »
Guys, you're WAY off the track on getting started. I am not with Steorn at all, but I am building a demo model.

The reason I say you are off the track is because you are hung up on the magnets. They are no big deal. Like one article said, magnets arranged in a circle is nothing new. Correct. Don't get hung up on that. It could use 4 magnets, 2, 10, 20, it doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is that they be placed equidistance from each other on an a spinnable axis. Why, because the damned wheel would be out of balance and fly apart even at low rpm if they weren't. Simple physics, the placement and number of magnets has nothing to do with Steorn's motor.

So what is new, what is it they discovered? You will NOT find the answer to that by reading articles on the web. You will not find that on the forum at steorn.net (not yet anyhow). But you will find it in their patent application.
http://v3.espacenet.com/origdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=WO2006035419&F=0&QPN=WO2006035419
Read it. This is the central component to the concept. Read it once, twice, three times. Let it rattle around in your head for a day in between each reading. There is something new and revolutionary in that application. And if you don't get it from that application, you'll never get it. Remember what Sean keeps saying - it is incredibly simple, but it is a revolutionary concept. And, the application is very well written, the preferred embodiment fully supports the claims, but does not explain the concept in straightforward fashion - you've got to figure out what it is that is new and unique. This patent is for a device that can "toggle" a permanent magnet's magnetic field on and off - and do it with an amount of energy considerably less than the strength of the magnet's magnetic field.

Instead of concentrating on the magnets, concentrate on the magnetic shield. Understand how a magnetic shield works. It's actually a misnomer, it makes one think that a shield repells a magnetic field. Instead a shield works because it absorbs a magnetic field and DEFLECTS it in a path around the magnet so space beyond the shield is considerably free of the field. But, because a shield absorbs so much of the field, the shield is attracted to the magnet and it takes exactly as much energy to move the shield away from the magnet as the shield deflects. And yet, to toggle the field on and off, the shield has to move. That's the genius of the Steorn discovery. Hint, hint, hint - understand the meaning of the word BALANCE in the application. What is being balanced?

Also, here's a little on how patents work - they are only granted to the first persons to have the idea, not the first to apply for it. And, once the idea has been published in a form that someone skilled in the art can deduce how it works, the inventor(s) have only one year in which to file for the patent, after that year it is public domain. Steorn has filed for patents but has remained cagey about giving out too much info. Why? Because they are not sure why this thing even works! They are being prudent, perhaps the work of the jury will give them new insights into the claims they should be making. Remember, a patent is not about the THING, it is about the IDEA, and the claims to that IDEA. (that's why the THING in a patent is referred to as only the "preferred embodiment")

Don't get the idea that you're going to build a demo cheaply. I've got between 150 to 200 USD in parts and tools headed my way this week......  I'll keep you all uptodate.

wizard@steornquest.com

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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2006, 11:31:45 AM »
Hi,

I think if you attach a permanent magnet on the side of a refrigerator and then you would like to remove it, you have to use a relatively strong lifting force with your fingers THAN you have to use to push/shift the magnet sideways (in any direction on the surface of the fridge).
And the smoother the surface of the fridge and that of the magnet, the less force you have to use for pushing the magnet sideways.

Is not the same fact used in the patent with the shield on the linear bearing in front of three magnets? Here the magnets are fixed and the shield is moved with a small force.

Gyula

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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2006, 02:47:16 PM »
I am going to read that patent, but Steorn has stated that their permanent magnet technology does NOT use shielding and is about a fixed permanent magnet. From what I understand, there are no other mechanical parts. It's simple a rotor, magnets on the rotor, and a configuration of magnets on the stator.

Also, they must know they are correct, because according to their claims their devices already self power and keep spinning and spinning. If that happens, then their technology works and they can be confident that it works.

Oh, I just checked out that patent link you provided.

They have already clearly said that is NOT related to their core technology.

If you can explain otherwise, then please do so.

Also, thank you for talking with us and for keeping us updated on your experiments.


Offline thevorlon

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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2006, 03:06:13 PM »
Cache,

Now, I'm pretty confused. I read that patent in detail and it does seem like the device could indeed be used to create a permanent magnet motor, but at the same time Steorn has said that their core technology does not use shielding and that this patent is not part of that technology. So do they have a completely different technology that is not patented yet which does NOT require this device, and *also* have a patent on this device which *could* create a magnetic motor, but is NOT part of their current technology?

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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2006, 03:11:32 PM »
Hi Everyone,

To get a better idea of how to gain energy using permanent magnets, check out this article I wrote here:

http://www.fdp.nu?free_energy.asp?book=90

God Bless,
Jason O

 

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