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Author Topic: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.  (Read 50505 times)

Offline thevorlon

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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
« Reply #120 on: October 30, 2006, 03:54:28 AM »
I really wonder if you can use a lema in any scheme that has magnets on the rotor. Basically the shielding takes effect blocks off the magnets in the lema and then the rotor magnets are simply attracted to the shielding and you are back where you started- sticky point.

That is what I think Sean McCarthy is trying to say in the following posts. He seems to think that there would not be an energy gain at all.

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Hi Folks,

I know that a lot of people have been asking if LEMA part of our OU technology and if not what is it and why did we design it?

The answer is no, it is not part of the OU technology. As previously stated we have developed several anti-counterfeit technologies in the past, these technologies where developed for a client FraudHalt (you can see a quick overview of the technologies at http://www.fraudhalt.com/demos/)

As you can see both of these technologies have a very heavy optics involvement. Anyone who works with optics will know that you typically build prototypes on an optical bench.

So? Well optical benches use magnetic clamps - these type of clamp are turned on and off by moving a shield in front of the clamping magnet. LEMA was a concept to help reduce the force that the person using the clamp has to apply in the camping/unclamping of these types of devices.

Thanks,

Sean


Hi bobcat,

Lets take an objective view of LEMA. It is in essence designed to reduce the force required to actuate a magnetic field (as noted above). However it is interesting to take an energy view of what is happening.

Assume the LEMA unit is standing upright. If you remove the top magnet and move the shield up and down (excluding friction) you will get a net zero energy balance. Why? Because the energy you put into moving the shield up will be regained when the shield is pulled back into its original position. Adding the second magnet does not change the net zero energy sum, just the level of forces (and hence energy) involved.

So in a friction free world you have the ability to create a machine with a LEMA type device that gives you a fluctuating magnetic field for no energy. So if LEMA can be used to develop an OU device then you need to be able to harness this field without substantially changing the net energy profile of LEMA.

Thanks,

Sean


Hi bobcat,

The key issue is what is the energy equation when you switch the shield in the presence of another magnetic field? The best thing to do would be to test this
(a force meter would be required). I think that you will find that the net energy equation for such a system will sum to zero.

Thanks,

Sean

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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
« Reply #121 on: October 30, 2006, 05:41:22 PM »
i've read that message vorlorn, but the issue is, without a LEMA, there's nothing else to seperate an attempt at creating a stoern deice from any other number of failed permanent magnet machines here on this forum...

THere's no use in replicating it if there's not something to distinguish it... not saying that they are using LEMA, but if we dont have that, then we dont have anything, just someone claiming that they've gotten it to work..

Kent

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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
« Reply #122 on: October 30, 2006, 05:59:15 PM »
Hi,

@Thevorlorn, I agree with Kent, and may I add that there is no use pondering on whether Seorn uses LEMA or not, or whatever they say on that.
Don't forget that allcanadian already experienced in practice that the shield can be moved using very little force so this the first crucial fact we can base on.
Steorn probably uses indeed another tecnology that does not include LEMA and it is even more revolutionary,,,  we shall hopefully learn sooner or later.
All we can do now is continue tinkering and discussing the experiences.

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Gyula

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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
« Reply #122 on: October 30, 2006, 05:59:15 PM »
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Offline thevorlon

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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
« Reply #123 on: October 30, 2006, 06:11:07 PM »
If you do replicate the LEMA I hope that it does indeed allow for an overunity device despite Sean McCarthy's claims. I honestly would like to see an attempt.

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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
« Reply #124 on: October 30, 2006, 06:21:43 PM »
As I mentioned before, Steorn did not claim that the LEMA was not part of the OU device until recently.  Also, in Sean's posts from this same time period, he stated that they felt they would have a lot of competition.

IF the device used a special trajectory - they could patent the trajectory path (shape), but they applied for a patnet on the LEMA.

BTW - The device does not have to be "radial" - it can be "axial" and still work.

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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
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Offline thevorlon

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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
« Reply #125 on: October 31, 2006, 03:49:13 AM »
Sean McCarthy of Steorn has posted several comments about the LEMA on the Fizzx Steorn Replication Forums at the following address...

http://fizzx.com/viewtopic.php?t=34

I feel very torn here. In one sense he is saying that the LEMA provides almost free magnetic switching, but then he doubts it could be used in a PMM due to the balance of the LEMA's magnetic fields being changed by the rotor magnet.

However, then he mentions that the LEMA might be used to (possibly) to induce a current in a wire.

He explains his statements much better than I am, so please check out.

http://fizzx.com/viewtopic.php?t=34


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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
« Reply #126 on: October 31, 2006, 11:41:27 AM »
Hello again excellent links!
Did you read the part about energy balance? that is the big hurdle I think, Have you heard of the wesley Gary magnetic motor and generator, it is near the same thing. I built all of wesley gary's machines and they show big potential but it is always the same thing, the balancing of magnetic fields(magnetic strength vs distance vs magnetic shield size/thinkness.....)there is nothing simple about these simple machines.
When steorn mentioned that the shield would interact with any magnet on a rotor he was right, it's pretty much a given. But as I mentioned in an earlier post if the rotor had iron cores on it, it would then interact with the actuator magnets but be partialy neutral as far as influencing the shield. In fact im not sure that flat iron pieces on the rotor would have any influence on the shield.That's the direction Im going- 1 three magnet actuator (LEMA) I know works, two rotors with 1" square metal pieces around each rotor the spacing equal to the length of the actuator plus 1", and a cam setup to move the actuator, that was a sweet cam setup posted by the way.

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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
« Reply #127 on: October 31, 2006, 02:28:15 PM »
@allcanadian,

You might take a look at the work of Alan Francoeur (aka Al Francoeur).  Last I heard he had recreated Wesley Grey's motor, invented an "interference disk generator", invented a fuel vaporizer, and finally invented a self-running motor.  He made a goodbye post and then "poof"...

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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
« Reply #128 on: October 31, 2006, 04:02:23 PM »
I had looked at everything Alan Francoeur had on the net and liked his designs very much, I think his interference generator was "off" though, his shield elements were thin and the flux went through them instead of being redirected. As well his design still did not allow for backdrag- or magnetism induced in his coils pulling back on his shield elements. I was sure he would be one of the persons to nail a concrete design and put it on the net,I wonder what happened? maybe he took a lump sum settlement and left us out here in the cold, and it is cold here!
Anyways hopefully I can get some time to do more actual experiments and post them here. As I said I think iron cores on rotors with the LEMA might fly,that is my next step and really the only thing that will not create backdrag between the shield and rotor.If that does not fly my next guess is magnets on the rotor in repulsion. Im doing alot of guessing as usual, maybe I'll get lucky?

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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
« Reply #129 on: November 22, 2006, 01:49:15 AM »
Hi all,

I have been playing with the Torbay, with limited success, but i am thinking of adding shields to it after reading all about the steorn stuff. I have a couple of linear bearings on order to try and copy the patent.,

i'm gonna make the bloody thing work if it kills me..LOL

Craig
« Last Edit: December 02, 2006, 02:29:48 AM by Craigy »

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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
« Reply #130 on: July 16, 2009, 10:59:06 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME6dnwtbBE4

I replicated this a long time ago ,thought i would post this vid here as it shows it working nicely..

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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
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Offline Xaero_Vincent

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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
« Reply #131 on: July 16, 2009, 11:40:56 PM »
I can't say that I'm impressed by the video.

"Hand-powered" magnet motors are guaranteed to work unless the energy in the hand/arm cannot surmount the magnetic forces (in which case I recommend eating more protein). The design can be much more simplified since permanent magnet motors don't really need magnets, only a hand.

Offline Craigy

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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
« Reply #132 on: July 16, 2009, 11:50:16 PM »
You have totally missed the point. Its about the lema from steorn not my attempt at getting a rotor to spin.

Offline Xaero_Vincent

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Re: The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.
« Reply #133 on: July 17, 2009, 12:49:19 AM »
I see.

Well from the video it appears to be an actuating stator for a magnet rotor. I've already tried such a design. The energy required to move the stator is greater than what you get from the spinning of the rotor.

The Steorn project has been debunked by scientists.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0624/1224249416758.html

Spending any time on any aspect of this motor is akin to trying to replicate Mylow's motor after it was proven a fraudulent.

Just my 2 cents.

 

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