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Author Topic: How to deal with those that add nothing to the forum  (Read 11084 times)

Offline RomanEmpire

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Re: How to deal with those that add nothing to the forum
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2016, 11:14:46 PM »
how to deal? Ask them to use the scientific method and stick to it to refute the others tei. If they do not build the apparatus that they are saying that "it is a scam" (or if they are unable to do so) can not refute any argument, or at least they did not care about the scientific method and are not credible

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Re: How to deal with those that add nothing to the forum
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2016, 02:19:34 AM »
how to deal? Ask them to use the scientific method and stick to it to refute the others tei. If they do not build the apparatus that they are saying that "it is a scam" (or if they are unable to do so) can not refute any argument, or at least they did not care about the scientific method and are not credible

It's more like the person pitching the free energy device has to use the scientific method.  Make a credible demonstration showing transparency and credible measurements.  Have your device replicated by three independent parties where they also present credible data.

The burden of proof lies with the person presenting the free energy device.

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Re: How to deal with those that add nothing to the forum
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2016, 02:36:52 AM »
Here are some YouTube clips that are somewhat related to this topic that are good food for thought.

What is open-mindedness?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI

Important issues related to freedom of speech:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vVohGWhMWs

Is there a similarity between "social justice warriors" and "free energy warriors?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5MPzQnokMU

See attached follow-up statement from Melissa Click.

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Re: How to deal with those that add nothing to the forum
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2016, 02:36:52 AM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: How to deal with those that add nothing to the forum
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2016, 03:10:56 AM »
how to deal? Ask them to use the scientific method and stick to it to refute the others tei. If they do not build the apparatus that they are saying that "it is a scam" (or if they are unable to do so) can not refute any argument, or at least they did not care about the scientific method and are not credible

You have it exactly backwards. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."  If something that is claimed goes against established scientific laws, appears to violate some solidly held scientific principle like Conservation of Momentum or Conservation of Energy, then the claimant needs to provide solid evidence in support of those claims. It is not the responsibility for a debunker to provide anything except to state where the claims are inconsistent with reality. If you claim that _your_ apparatus, say, is a selfrunning permanent magnet motor with no outside source of power, and you provide instructions, and then I build one and it fails to work as you claim... you can always say that I didn't do something right, or make some other "special pleading" (a technical term) as an excuse for why my replication didn't work. It is entirely the claimant's responsibility to demonstrate that it _does_ work according to the claims.  If the claimant cannot do that.... it is he who is not credible. We've seen plenty of cases of that here.

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: How to deal with those that add nothing to the forum
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2016, 03:30:35 AM »
Here are some YouTube clips that are somewhat related to this topic that are good food for thought.

What is open-mindedness?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI

Important issues related to freedom of speech:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vVohGWhMWs

Is there a similarity between "social justice warriors" and "free energy warriors?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5MPzQnokMU

See attached follow-up statement from Melissa Click.

That video from Thunderf00t is amazing. So you can just assault people on the MU campus and get away with it because you are female, and work for the University? Where are the lawyers? By 8 minutes into the clip I've already seen three clear cases of assault, by these "feminists". Pushing someone off a ledge? Incredible. Body-checking someone standing taking photographs, forcing him back? Making threats against his safety? Grabbing at the camera, calling in "muscle" against a journalist?
Where are the lawyers? Those "feminists" should do jail time, or at least be sued into poverty. And that "professor"... how is she keeping her job at the University? The other one, big blonde bully... how is she keeping her job? Unbelievable.

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Re: How to deal with those that add nothing to the forum
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2016, 03:30:35 AM »
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Offline sm0ky2

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Re: How to deal with those that add nothing to the forum
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2016, 03:33:45 AM »
You have it exactly backwards. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."  If something that is claimed goes against established scientific laws, appears to violate some solidly held scientific principle like Conservation of Momentum or Conservation of Energy, then the claimant needs to provide solid evidence in support of those claims. It is not the responsibility for a debunker to provide anything except to state where the claims are inconsistent with reality. If you claim that _your_ apparatus, say, is a selfrunning permanent magnet motor with no outside source of power, and you provide instructions, and then I build one and it fails to work as you claim... you can always say that I didn't do something right, or make some other "special pleading" (a technical term) as an excuse for why my replication didn't work. It is entirely the claimant's responsibility to demonstrate that it _does_ work according to the claims.  If the claimant cannot do that.... it is he who is not credible. We've seen plenty of cases of that here.

what if it was a seemingly credible device,that you yourself were holding in your hands.
 that utilized the differential in gravitational potential between the molecular state of two elements, and that of their gas state?

like two fuel-cells, linked together, one in reverse.
energy in = energy out - losses (heat).
now, suppose one was vertically positioned above the other, such that when the gasses combined,
m(water)gh = greater than the heat losses in the electrolysis system.

then the "nay sayer" called you a nitwitted bumbling torriod-f*&%!!er
and told you you were trying to violate the laws of his reality??

how do you respond?

Offline sm0ky2

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Re: How to deal with those that add nothing to the forum
« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2016, 03:43:10 AM »
and I don't mean that literally, like to perform that test....

that was just completely hypothetical I pulled out of my a$$

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Re: How to deal with those that add nothing to the forum
« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2016, 03:43:10 AM »
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Offline seychelles

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Re: How to deal with those that add nothing to the forum
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2016, 04:12:26 AM »
I am totally with you there SMOKY2.. BECAUSE I HAVE GOT IN MY WARM LITTLE
HANDS A NEW METAL COMPOUND THAT NEUTRALIZE GRAVITY..Plus i posted
many ideas and even requested help all i got was insult ..SO WHEN I COME UP
WITH ANY THING SUPPER AND I WILL FOR IT IS MY DESTINY I WILL NOT CAST MY PERL AT PIGS.. 

Offline Dog-One

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Re: How to deal with those that add nothing to the forum
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2016, 04:47:11 AM »
... "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."  ...

Any independent experimenter/researcher that makes claims in this line of work is a nutcase from the word go.  It is not only futile, it is pointless.

You build X and it does Y.  Leave it at that.  Period.  No claims, no heartache, no mess, no fuss.

If someone wants to build X also and it does Z instead of Y, ask questions sure, but don't expect different results.

It's only when multiple parties build X and they all perform with Y results that we have to consider the rules may need alteration.  Those days are way into the future.

In the meantime, just try to enjoy what you do and learn while you do it.  No member of this forum is going to make a huge worldly change.  It takes generations for that to happen, going against nearly impossible odds and a societal structure cast in stone.  You want to change the world?  It would be easier to erase the world and start over.

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Re: How to deal with those that add nothing to the forum
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2016, 04:47:11 AM »
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Re: How to deal with those that add nothing to the forum
« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2016, 03:41:27 PM »
I for one find it all rather to simple and extremely unpleasant as its all un safe and is some what a public hazarded ! The British technology is obviously superior and supports the national grid !   

Now where in the US is there a working Russian free energy technology and one that is not plugged into the grid hahahahahahahahha  Is this a problem of the inability to understand the basic laws that permit such technologies ??? We in the mother land are all a bit puzzled by it ? ? hahahahahahahahahah ITS ALL A BIT OF A JOKE HERE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH DONT YOU KNOW HOW ITS DONE YET ???? HAHAHAHAHA



ERR thanks Atommix93rdAtom1 Sr. Member but !

Why are you so disruptive ? and why do you lie about facts and offer nothing constructive ? and sarcasm is a form of aggression !
And what British technology are you referring too ? get your facts straight it's not Russian technology any of it Tesla was from Serbia and an American immigrant who invented AC and it was Henry Moray who invented the earth rod current device and Donald Smith later on an other American not Russian and it was Kapanadze who found a way of synchronizing the two waveform and he aint no Russian, Russian talking perhaps but what's your problem if he did, no one can prove any thing on here unless it's possible to ether copy it your self or go and see it for your self and that's no guarantee.

AG

Offline scratchrobot

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Re: How to deal with those that add nothing to the forum
« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2016, 08:18:05 PM »
How to deal with it those ???

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Re: How to deal with those that add nothing to the forum
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Offline Dog-One

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Re: How to deal with those that add nothing to the forum
« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2016, 08:35:46 PM »
How to deal with it those ???

Same way we did when we all had 2400 baud modems.   ;)

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Re: How to deal with those that add nothing to the forum
« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2016, 02:19:22 AM »

You have it exactly backwards. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."  If something that is claimed goes against established scientific laws, appears to violate some solidly held scientific principle like Conservation of Momentum or Conservation of Energy, then the claimant needs to provide solid evidence in support of those claims. It is not the responsibility for a debunker to provide anything except to state where the claims are inconsistent with reality. If you claim that _your_ apparatus, say, is a selfrunning permanent magnet motor with no outside source of power, and you provide instructions, and then I build one and it fails to work as you claim... you can always say that I didn't do something right, or make some other "special pleading" (a technical term) as an excuse for why my replication didn't work. It is entirely the claimant's responsibility to demonstrate that it _does_ work according to the claims.  If the claimant cannot do that.... it is he who is not credible. We've seen plenty of cases of that here.


Carroll, sorry getting a little off topic...

TK, maybe the real issue is in-fact, frame of mind, and not the actual technology being presented: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" - But only if you think it is Extraordinary!

I dont, I understand what is required, so do many other experimenters that have already come forward on my thread here at ou.com and also on my Private forum.

If you can grasp Electromagnetic Induction, some 184 Years old, then you will see the ONLY Law holding us back, is Lenz's Law!

What if you could use Lenz's law to actually turbo charge the Induction Process??? As it turns out, it is very easy to do!!!

Recently we have seen a good amount of "extraordinary evidence" to support that what you call "Extraordinary claims"!!! Really, it is just not a proper scientific excuse to dismiss any such claim of an inventor.

After all, how many people still didnt believe that Humans could Fly in Flying Machines after it had already been done!!!

You should read: "Never In A Million Years: A History of Hopeless Predictions"

If it is Science that you believe in, then Science cannot be dissmissed because it is not yet understood!!!

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Offline AlienGrey

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Re: How to deal with those that add nothing to the forum
« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2016, 07:58:19 AM »
Chris Hi your artical on ;__
I dont, I understand what is required, so do many other experimenters that have already come forward on my thread here at ou.com and also on my Private forum.

If you can grasp Electromagnetic Induction, some 184 Years old, then you will see the ONLY Law holding us back, is Lenz's Law!

What if you could use Lenz's law to actually turbo charge the Induction Process??? As it turns out, it is very easy to do!!!

Recently we have seen a good amount of "extraordinary evidence" to support that what you call "Extraordinary claims"!!! Really, it is just not a proper scientific excuse to dismiss any such claim of an inventor.

Can you offer any more information on this Phenomena  please ? or are we talking magnets and twin coils, [ coil cw, Ne magnet,  coil ccw ] idea ?
regards AG

Offline EMJunkie

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Re: How to deal with those that add nothing to the forum
« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2016, 09:03:58 AM »
Chris Hi your artical on ;__
I dont, I understand what is required, so do many other experimenters that have already come forward on my thread here at ou.com and also on my Private forum.

If you can grasp Electromagnetic Induction, some 184 Years old, then you will see the ONLY Law holding us back, is Lenz's Law!

What if you could use Lenz's law to actually turbo charge the Induction Process??? As it turns out, it is very easy to do!!!

Recently we have seen a good amount of "extraordinary evidence" to support that what you call "Extraordinary claims"!!! Really, it is just not a proper scientific excuse to dismiss any such claim of an inventor.

Can you offer any more information on this Phenomena  please ? or are we talking magnets and twin coils, [ coil cw, Ne magnet,  coil ccw ] idea ?
regards AG


AG,

This thread is not the place for the technical descussion. It is off Topic. Not fair for Carroll.

See: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

Magnets are not necessary.

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