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Author Topic: Magnetic Motor Data for a Newbie  (Read 4650 times)

Offline thevorlon

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Magnetic Motor Data for a Newbie
« on: October 22, 2006, 09:07:01 AM »
Hello Everyone,

Please let me introduce myself. I am a fairly young person in my 20's that has been interested in a lot of non-mainstream subjects ever since childhood. For the past few years (among several other interests) I've been reading a lot about cold fusion, zero point energy, vacumm energy, and now magnetic motors. To be honest, my interest in overunity devices started a very young age wondering why can't perpetual motion be possible. However, my interests wondered off in various directions from space travel, extraterrestrial life, the paranormal, science fiction, and other things. Then at some point I became facinated with cold fusion and did a lot of reading on that subject. However, about two years ago I came across the work of Thomas Bearden and the folks at the Alpha Institute for Advanced Study. Their research facinated me and it really made a few things click in my brain. But my interests mainly focused on solid state over-unity devices like the Motionless Electromagnetic Generator. Even though I certainly believe they did achieve over-unity results I became dismayed that it was taking so long to commercialize.

Then about two months ago I came across a company called Steorn that was working on a magnetic motor. A while back I had read about a few Tom Bearden mentioned, but thought to myself, "Why build some type of generator with moving parts when solid state units are possible?" However, I am now very facinated about magnetic motors, because I have realized they could potentially be both less complicated and easier for a novice to experiment with.

So these are my questions for the members of this forum.

Could some of you provide an introduction into the concept of an over-unity motor based on the magnetic forces of permanent or non-permanent magnets? Honestly, I'm more interested in permanent magnets because they would not require an electrical imput which would make experimenting easier.

Additionally, what are the obstacles to an over-unity magnetic motor? I have never played around with such a device so I don't know what the exact obstacles are, but in my mind it would seem fairly easy to build one. Actually, the more I think about it the more possibilities arise in my mind. However, they seem a little TOO simple and if it was THAT easy to build a magnetic over-unity motor they would already be powering planet Earth by now. What obstacles are in the way?

For example, I have heard something called the "sticky" point mentioned. What exactly is this? Is this one of the major obstacles to an over-unity magnetic motor?

Also, I'm curious about something. Consider that you had all North Poles of a ring of magnets facing into a wheel which is located in the center at an angle. On the wheel you would have magnet(s) facing their North Poles directly at the outside magnets at an angle. Basically, in such a situation in my mind the whole wheel would start moving and rotating around because the two like poles would be creating a pushing force!

BUT IT CAN'T BE THIS SIMPLE?!!!

Basically, I want to start experimenting with magnetic motors. My life has been pretty misrable since my parents divorced and I had to leave college. There have been all kinds of crazy things happening and this could give me a PRODUCTIVE hobby.

What I really need is a simple outline about the current field of over-unity magnetic motors, the obstacles that prevent them from working (the sticky point?), if there are any that absolutely are indeed working at this moment, and the best way for a person to replicate the SIMPLEST version of one.

Would any of you please help me?

Thanks!

Sincerely,
The Vorlon

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Magnetic Motor Data for a Newbie
« on: October 22, 2006, 09:07:01 AM »

Offline supersam

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Re: Magnetic Motor Data for a Newbie
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2006, 07:17:41 PM »
vorlon,

you will find on this site alot of people with alot of similar interests as your own.  it won't be as simple as you may percieve in your mind, but definitely keep searching, the answers are out there somewherel.  i think you have somehow stumbled like i did into these forums for a reason.  the purpose of which is to find some way to overcome the obstaqcle of overunity.  has it been done yet?  probably.  is it commercialy available yet? probably not. are these sites being watched for certain.  watch learn and enjoy. experiment. what is the harm?  like anything else in the world all you do when you break it down to the basics is run into alot of power!  isn't that all we really want anyway?

lol
sam

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Re: Magnetic Motor Data for a Newbie
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2006, 07:40:48 PM »
Hello Everyone,

Please let me introduce myself. I am a fairly young person in my 20's that has been interested in a lot of non-mainstream subjects ever since childhood. For the past few years (among several other interests) I've been reading a lot about cold fusion, zero point energy, vacumm energy, and now magnetic motors. To be honest, my interest in overunity devices started a very young age wondering why can't perpetual motion be possible. However, my interests wondered off in various directions from space travel, extraterrestrial life, the paranormal, science fiction, and other things. Then at some point I became facinated with cold fusion and did a lot of reading on that subject. However, about two years ago I came across the work of Thomas Bearden and the folks at the Alpha Institute for Advanced Study. Their research facinated me and it really made a few things click in my brain. But my interests mainly focused on solid state over-unity devices like the Motionless Electromagnetic Generator. Even though I certainly believe they did achieve over-unity results I became dismayed that it was taking so long to commercialize.

Then about two months ago I came across a company called Steorn that was working on a magnetic motor. A while back I had read about a few Tom Bearden mentioned, but thought to myself, "Why build some type of generator with moving parts when solid state units are possible?" However, I am now very facinated about magnetic motors, because I have realized they could potentially be both less complicated and easier for a novice to experiment with.

So these are my questions for the members of this forum.

Could some of you provide an introduction into the concept of an over-unity motor based on the magnetic forces of permanent or non-permanent magnets? Honestly, I'm more interested in permanent magnets because they would not require an electrical imput which would make experimenting easier.

Additionally, what are the obstacles to an over-unity magnetic motor? I have never played around with such a device so I don't know what the exact obstacles are, but in my mind it would seem fairly easy to build one. Actually, the more I think about it the more possibilities arise in my mind. However, they seem a little TOO simple and if it was THAT easy to build a magnetic over-unity motor they would already be powering planet Earth by now. What obstacles are in the way?

For example, I have heard something called the "sticky" point mentioned. What exactly is this? Is this one of the major obstacles to an over-unity magnetic motor?

Also, I'm curious about something. Consider that you had all North Poles of a ring of magnets facing into a wheel which is located in the center at an angle. On the wheel you would have magnet(s) facing their North Poles directly at the outside magnets at an angle. Basically, in such a situation in my mind the whole wheel would start moving and rotating around because the two like poles would be creating a pushing force!

BUT IT CAN'T BE THIS SIMPLE?!!!

Basically, I want to start experimenting with magnetic motors. My life has been pretty misrable since my parents divorced and I had to leave college. There have been all kinds of crazy things happening and this could give me a PRODUCTIVE hobby.

What I really need is a simple outline about the current field of over-unity magnetic motors, the obstacles that prevent them from working (the sticky point?), if there are any that absolutely are indeed working at this moment, and the best way for a person to replicate the SIMPLEST version of one.

Would any of you please help me?

Thanks!

Sincerely,
The Vorlon

yeah it is mostly because of the sticky point in magnet motors.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=751.0;attach=734

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Re: Magnetic Motor Data for a Newbie
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2006, 07:40:48 PM »
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Offline thevorlon

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Re: Magnetic Motor Data for a Newbie
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2006, 08:45:11 PM »
Hello Everyone,

Thanks for the replies. First of all, I want to thank Free Energy for that video. It seems if you would put those specially shaped magnets all the way around that device it would rotate quite quickly. Was that your device Free Energy and did you or whoever built that manage to complete the device?

I also have a couple questions. In that setup was the steel ball magnetised or not? Secondly, what was the precise construction of the magnet on the stator that allowed the ball to move past. Did I hear it called a flux gate?

Now, this is my idea for device based on what I have read from various places.

You have a rotor in a wheel shape (like that that movie) but you place a magnet with it's north end facing outwards at an angle. Then you have magnets on the stator with their north pole facing inwards at the rotor at a matching angle. Basically, the magnets (lets say simple cube magnets) are faced so that "push" force of the magnets on the stator would push the magnet on the rotor more to the side for a spinning motion that directly into the center of the rotor.

Now, would something like this work or would there still be sticky points? I understand the sticky point in the previous video because I'm guessing the steel ball was being slowed down by the magnets. But in my setup would there still be sticky points? Because I would imagine each time the magnet on the rotor went near one on the stator it would get an automatic push.

I realize I'm new at this and probably getting dozens of things wrong. I apologize ahead of time for that. But I really want to learn enough about this (what works, what doesn't, and what obstacles there are (like sticky points) to know what magnets to purchase online.

I do sincerely wish everyone on here the best in their experiments. I hope to be experimenting with all of you before too long, but I just need more information in my head first.

Offline FreeEnergy

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Re: Magnetic Motor Data for a Newbie
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2006, 08:51:44 PM »
i should of also posted the thread for this project, sorry. http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,751.0.html

peace

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Re: Magnetic Motor Data for a Newbie
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2006, 08:51:44 PM »
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Offline thevorlon

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Re: Magnetic Motor Data for a Newbie
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2006, 11:46:15 PM »
Thank you for the link. I read through that thread. It is disapointing that the individual simple stopped posting all of a sudden. What's interesting to me is that he claims that the device started spinning on it's own uncontrollably before it broke.

Anyway, that was a very good read. I'm learning more and more about these motors, but still have a lot way to go.

Free Energy, have you experimented with any permanent magnet motors and what were your results? What obstacles did you face?

Offline supersam

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Re: Magnetic Motor Data for a Newbie
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2006, 06:17:47 AM »
hey vorlon,

why not go solid state?

lol
sam

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Re: Magnetic Motor Data for a Newbie
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2006, 06:17:47 AM »
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Offline thevorlon

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Re: Magnetic Motor Data for a Newbie
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2006, 06:23:15 AM »
I think solid state overunity devices like the Motionaless Electromagnetic Generator and others are indeed real and valid. However, I don't have the money to purchase all the equipment for such a replication and also don't have the advanced math and physics skills. Trying to build a permanent magnet motor and finding a way to push the rotor past the sticky point seems like something much more possible for the laymen in my opinion.

Offline FreeEnergy

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Re: Magnetic Motor Data for a Newbie
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2006, 06:39:09 AM »
Free Energy, have you experimented with any permanent magnet motors and what were your results? What obstacles did you face?

no sorry i have not. just lots of research.

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Re: Magnetic Motor Data for a Newbie
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2006, 06:39:09 AM »
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