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## Discussion board help and admin topics => Half Baked Ideas => Topic started by: william_mills on December 24, 2015, 05:09:33 PM

Title: Deep Water Nitro Piston Generator
Post by: william_mills on December 24, 2015, 05:09:33 PM
An Engineering Research Scientist told me this would work, and then refused to speak with me any more about it for fear of being assassinated....lol! It uses the pressure from extreme ocean depth to compress nitrogen filled pistons that are on a conveyor belt type system with ballasts that neutralize the intense weight of the system and also power the rotation of the belt.

Kinda hypothetical at this point, but take a look at my designs!!!!

The second picture is not being animated on this site.....here is a link to see the animated image:
Title: Re: Deep Water Nitro Piston Generator
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 25, 2015, 04:09:10 AM
I like this, it poses an interesting problem.

Let's take this thing apart and look at each part of the cycle.
you have an object of mass x being lowered into the water.
there is a buoyancy effect from its displacement, lowering the effective weight as it sinks.
it gets to depth d, then has to be raised back to the surface.
in an ideal situation, you could harness the energy from gravity as it sinks to the bottom of the ocean.
then partially recycle this to raise the object back up.
so you have input and output and losses. ok

Now, internally, you have a cylinder full of nitrogen, that is compressed by the power of the ocean.
this lowers the displacement of the mass, making it slightly harder to lift back up, however....
you have stored the energy of the compressed nitrogen, in a readily usable form.

The question is, how much energy remains or is deficit between the drop-lift system, and the compressed nitrogen.
considering the change in displacement when the piston compresses, and the natural losses in the drop-lift system,
there seemingly could be a greater value of energy stored by the compression, than lost by lowering the displacement by the same volume.
Title: Re: Deep Water Nitro Piston Generator
Post by: william_mills on January 05, 2016, 04:08:35 AM
I guess I should specify that the piston and the ballast tank are separate systems and do not effect the functionality of each other at all. The purpose of the ballast tank is to manage the weight of the system on the "down" side and power the rotation of the belt in addition to managing the weight of the system on the "up" side.

The piston's only purpose is to compress the contained nitrogen, once compressed a locking mechanism holds it down, then when the piston makes it back to the surface and engages with the generator the lock is released and the piston is allowed to extend which transfers it's stored energy to the generator.
Title: Re: Deep Water Nitro Piston Generator
Post by: william_mills on January 05, 2016, 06:33:00 PM
Each piston has it's own independent ballast tank, which is NOT connected to any other ballast tank on any other piston.
Title: Re: Deep Water Nitro Piston Generator
Post by: william_mills on January 06, 2016, 10:19:13 AM
I've been rethinking the ballast system. I am redesigning the injector system to be a rotating device much like the generator.

By the time the piston gets to the bottom, the ballast tank will be equalized with the outside environment at which point the dump valve closes (possibly plugged when the piston rod gets pressed in far enough, or when the locking mechanism engages). The piston meets the injection system and sets into a  alignment groove on the rotating injector manifold.

What I need to figure out is........I would like to have a two part air injection process. If there is a solid line from the air compressor at the surface that runs down to the injection device at the bottom of the conveyor belt, would it be possible to have a separate environment in the system that is not influenced in any way by outside forces?????

The ballast tank would have a water out valve and an air in valve,  and the injector head coupler and valves are perfectly seated achieving a leak free connection. As the water out valve is connected, most of the pressurized water would be relieved. As the air intake valve is connected the rest of the water is forced out as the tank is filled with air (i'm not even sure it would be necessary to pump the rest of the water out if enough pressure can be evacuated from the tank). If that would work then it wouldn't require such a huge air compressor to fill the ballast tanks and/or pump the water out of the purge line.

I hope I explained this properly, let me know if there are any more questions I can try to answer!!!!!
Title: Re: Deep Water Nitro Piston Generator
Post by: Reiyuki on January 09, 2016, 06:21:30 AM
Attached is another way to handle it, by sealing an entire chamber and having an object float up/down with a change in buoyancy.  Attach magnets to the object and run a series of coils all along the tube.

It's an interesting thought, because it takes a small,fixed amount of energy to change the density of the system, but the pipe can extend to any length.   Parametric variatio; in this case, changing the 'buoyancy' parameter would result in an overunity potential if the tube was long enough.
Title: Re: Deep Water Nitro Piston Generator
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 10, 2016, 05:47:06 PM
ok so, the unit sinks to the bottom of the ocean, nitrogen is compressed, piston moved in, and locks.
when the pressure gets high enough in the storage tank, nitrogen moves through the high pressure valve
into the hydraulic cylinder, which controls buoyancy.
unit floats to the top, where the nitrogen can be transferred to an energy storage tank above.

the hydraulic cylinder returns to its initial (non-buoyant) state when pressure is relieved.
Title: Re: Deep Water Nitro Piston Generator - gif animation v1
Post by: william_mills on January 15, 2016, 10:35:20 AM
ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW WHY SOME GIFs WILL ANIMATE AND OTHERS WON'T...........AND I ALSO DON'T KNOW HOW TO ERASE A POST

To see the animated version of this image, here is a link:

This is just the rough draft......better version coming soon!
Title: Re: Deep Water Nitro Piston Generator
Post by: william_mills on January 17, 2016, 02:07:37 PM
An Engineering Research Scientist told me this would work, and then refused to speak with me any more about it for fear of being assassinated....lol! It uses the pressure from extreme ocean depth to compress nitrogen filled pistons that are on a conveyor belt type system with ballasts that neutralize the intense weight of the system and also power the rotation of the belt.

Kinda hypothetical at this point, but take a look at my designs!!!!

The second picture is not being animated on this site.....here is a link to see the animated image: