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Title: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: Thphan75 on December 17, 2015, 08:01:11 PM
The concept of free energy is not new, as a matter of fact, it’s been around for over a hundred years.  But if we look around now, how come we don’t see it?  I’ve seen countless videos and claims of perpetual motion machines and free energy devices, some extremely simple, others extremely complex and elaborate, but still, it’s not a common thing.  Now why is that?  What is your take on that?  What do you think would really happen if we really did find a source of free energy?

Here’s my take:

Conspiracy: 
Yes, I’m aware of conspiracy theories, suppressions, etc.  While I do not claim that it’s false rumor, I do find it a bit hard to believe.  For one, the people behind the electricity trade can buy the same type of so called free energy devices, create the energy, and resell it at a much cheaper rate.  For proof, look at wind and solar energy, they’re technically free energy, stored and redistributed.  While people can easily buy and make their own free energy from these devices, it’s not worth it because the costs outweighs the benefits.  I believe the same is true about any energy production device, it still costs to build and can break down over time, therefore, you still need to spend money to get these so called devices.  Electric companies can invest in the same technology to produce electricity for free and sell it back so cheap that the cost of owning one still outweighs the benefits.  Unfortunately, that’s not what I’m seeing.  As a matter of fact, renewable resources energy such as wind and solar actually costs more in my area.

Positive effects: 
The cost to produce and manufacture will fall significantly, which should translate to lower costs for those items, but this shouldn’t be construed as a loss in jobs because it still takes manpower. 
Transportation may see some significant reduction in cost as well and the popularity of Electric Vehicles may sky rocket.  This can in turn be a reduction in pollution as well.
Less reliance on natural resources to produce electricity may translate to lower pollution.
Homes may rely more on electricity vs natural gas.  With the cost of electricity much lower, as well as the cost of products, hopefully we will see less of the poor who can’t afford to heat their home.
Poor countries may have better accessibility to electricity.
Nuclear power can be avoided.

Negative effects:
We may have more light pollution since costs of electricity is so low.
Jobs in the in the oil and gas industry may see a big decline.

I’m sure there are much more positive as well as negative effects, I just can’t think of them all yet.  But I welcome other’s opinion.
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: AB Hammer on December 18, 2015, 04:26:24 PM
 Thphan75


Lets talk gravity wheel for instance since you are in the gravity section. A gravity powered wheel will not put oil out of business, but just a better form of windless windmill so to speak for energy production. Cost effectiveness to build also takes a part in their future to catch on. But what would happen is. A gravity powered wheel will change how science relates to gravity and a greater understanding. As for youtube videos? Most are faked who claim a runner, but some may be real and requires attention of what is going on. In the world of progress we should expect change and accept it. I have several youtube videos and will have some new ones soon as time allows due to life. None of my videos are faked nor claims of a working wheel either. But maybe some of the new ones maybe. ;D 8)   LOL

https://www.youtube.com/user/ABthehammer/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/ABthehammer/videos)



Alan
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: forest on December 18, 2015, 05:41:00 PM
Can you build a wind turbine which can power and heat your home totally ? Is that costly ? Is that permitted ?
Now, if you can do the same just with a suitcase sized simple device which you built during weekend.
Is that costly ? Is that hard ? No. You controlled can not longer be. Force is now strong inside you.
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 18, 2015, 09:22:34 PM
" There WILL be a period of adjustment....."

some industries will decline, oil coal gas ect.
while others will flourish, travel, transportation, robotics/computers/electronics, space exploration

at some point mankind will have to look past our intrapersonal monetary issues
and move towards a better future
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: Nink on December 18, 2015, 09:32:05 PM
It will be made illegal because it causes some type of major problem even if it doesn't.  ie causes cancer, linked to autism, neurological disorders due to .....)

The only exception will be for selected corporations who will be controlled regulated and will sell you the energy this free energy makes for profit.
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: marathonman on December 18, 2015, 11:02:31 PM
 sm0ky2;
I couldn't have said it better.
the only thing that will get bad is Corporate America will have Millions instead of Billions.
and American people will be able to grow their own food forever.  F  Corporate America.
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: forest on December 18, 2015, 11:25:59 PM
It will be made illegal because it causes some type of major problem even if it doesn't.  ie causes cancer, linked to autism, neurological disorders due to .....)

The only exception will be for selected corporations who will be controlled regulated and will sell you the energy this free energy makes for profit.


That would be the end of mankind, exactly the same way they sells now free air in spray. Madness!
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: Thphan75 on December 19, 2015, 02:59:52 AM
Thphan75


Lets talk gravity wheel for instance since you are in the gravity section. A gravity powered wheel will not put oil out of business, but just a better form of windless windmill so to speak for energy production. Cost effectiveness to build also takes a part in their future to catch on. But what would happen is. A gravity powered wheel will change how science relates to gravity and a greater understanding. As for youtube videos? Most are faked who claim a runner, but some may be real and requires attention of what is going on. In the world of progress we should expect change and accept it. I have several youtube videos and will have some new ones soon as time allows due to life. None of my videos are faked nor claims of a working wheel either. But maybe some of the new ones maybe. ;D 8)   LOL

https://www.youtube.com/user/ABthehammer/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/ABthehammer/videos)



Alan

Thanks, checked out a few of your videos, one from as far back as 2008.  Quite frankly though, this is the type of thing that makes me think most of these so called free energy devices have not been found, hence this post.  In a way, this post is meant to see what people expects to see when there is such thing as free or super cheap energy.  The fact that it's not happening points me to the theory that the so called free energy devices and claims are not real.
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: Thphan75 on December 19, 2015, 03:04:19 AM
Can you build a wind turbine which can power and heat your home totally ? Is that costly ? Is that permitted ?
Now, if you can do the same just with a suitcase sized simple device which you built during weekend.
Is that costly ? Is that hard ? No. You controlled can not longer be. Force is now strong inside you.

You're correct, however, not everyone has the ability to build things themselves, and when you buy the parts, it does add.  I read about a guy who actually bought small, used solar cells dirt cheap and turned it into a big one.  That's the type of skills not many people possess.  I, for example, would have to buy the solar panels that would cost me around $150, not to mention the battery and regulators.  All this to get a 45 watt return means it'll take me years to get back the money I'm saving at around 10 cents per kilowatt.  Quite frankly, I don't understand why some folks would actually do this but they do!
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: Thphan75 on December 19, 2015, 03:07:08 AM
" There WILL be a period of adjustment....."

some industries will decline, oil coal gas ect.
while others will flourish, travel, transportation, robotics/computers/electronics, space exploration

at some point mankind will have to look past our intrapersonal monetary issues
and move towards a better future

Thanks, this is exactly the type of responses I'm looking for.  The fact that none of these are happening leads me to think all these claims of free energy devices are really just bogus claims, especially those that are over a year old yet nothing has been set into motion. Like you, I see more positive outcome then negative but none of that is happening.
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: Thphan75 on December 19, 2015, 03:08:52 AM
It will be made illegal because it causes some type of major problem even if it doesn't.  ie causes cancer, linked to autism, neurological disorders due to .....)

The only exception will be for selected corporations who will be controlled regulated and will sell you the energy this free energy makes for profit.

OK, sorry but this is what I call a conspiracy theory.  I specifically chose the gravity section and if such claims are true, then we need to find another world to live in.  :)
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: Thphan75 on December 19, 2015, 03:13:30 AM
sm0ky2;
I couldn't have said it better.
the only thing that will get bad is Corporate America will have Millions instead of Billions.
and American people will be able to grow their own food forever.  F  Corporate America.

You seem to dislike Corporate America and you might be right that they're filthy rich but around the world, I don't see any other corporations giving back as the American corporation.  If you think there are, then it would be better to reference how those corporate countries are better than America's and perhaps then, will CA learn to be better.  Complaints alone won't make a great example, to make a change, take a lead.
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: AB Hammer on December 19, 2015, 06:05:18 PM
Thanks, checked out a few of your videos, one from as far back as 2008.  Quite frankly though, this is the type of thing that makes me think most of these so called free energy devices have not been found, hence this post.  In a way, this post is meant to see what people expects to see when there is such thing as free or super cheap energy.  The fact that it's not happening points me to the theory that the so called free energy devices and claims are not real.

Greetings Thphan75

 I agree that most so called free energy devices have not been found. The biggest reason is people keep trying the same things over and over again, then make fakes for the attention.  Instead they should be looking for what has not been tried. What is there to overcome. Then they will come up with new approaches. I have not show all my approaches for I want to finish them first for I have achieved gain and acceleration in full rotation, but the faster it went it would shift to soon and messed up the action. So of course I am working to correct this. Yet since this is my hobby I work on them when I can, but not to take away from family.

Alan
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: CANGAS on December 20, 2015, 03:01:50 AM
OK, sorry but this is what I call a conspiracy theory.  I specifically chose the gravity section and if such claims are true, then we need to find another world to live in.  :)



So, Thphan, you are hostile to any utterance of a possibility that there might be resistance to acceptance of an invasion of free energy into this present world of dog-eat-dog, might-makes-right, screw-your-neighbor-before -they -can-screw-you, and you only want replies that relate to a fairy tale world where there are no bad guys?

Dream on, Jack.


CANGAS 197
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 20, 2015, 12:24:32 PM
I think if everyone knows free energy then that's the end of human happy life because big money will lose in the government, then it will find other way to make money or to get money from the people and i believe it is more worse than we think.   :)




 ;) otits
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: SoManyWires on December 20, 2015, 01:11:28 PM
I think if everyone knows free energy then that's the end of human happy life because big money will lose in the government, then it will find other way to make money or to get money from the people and i believe it is more worse than we think.   :)




 ;) otits

eventually robots will take over, though they will spare us.
they will find us, useful.
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: RomanEmpire on December 20, 2015, 06:13:00 PM
Governments will lose control on energy and could set off a war or popular uprisings, until they find a way to return to the control of energy, for example could raid the electrical conductors to manage and control its use, as they are now doing with greenhouse gases, but with the use of force and a state of vigilance as for drugs. A beautiful setting for a science fiction movie
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: conradelektro on December 20, 2015, 07:29:29 PM
I do not know, why people do not find the readily available source of free energy?

Open your window and most of the time you will feel some wind. And this is your source of free energy!

But even better, you can even find the source of the energy behind the wind. Listen and read carefully: IT IS THE SUN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Right, the sun will not burn longer than a few more billion years. But till then it is for free!

So, here you go, like all living things on earth, use the sun.

An you can also see clearly everywhere what will happen, better said, what is happening:

Big business and their pet governments are still in control.

No miracle, no mystery, just open you eyes.

If used in the right way, wind and sun can give decentralised power to everyone for a reasonable investment. Why is it not done? Well, because you look for a miracle instead of using what is everywhere.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: antijon on December 20, 2015, 08:17:05 PM
Hey Thphan75,
About solar panels, here in the USA there's actually plenty of opportunity to use this type of "free" energy and have a large return of investment. There are companies that sell solar systems, including all the gear to hook it to the grid, for a monthly charge.

I'm not advertising for them, someone I know had a large system installed on his roof. I think he paid about $250 a month for a few years to pay them off. But the benefits in the USA are, 1. Fed. tax credits that pay for a large chunk of upfront costs, and 2. he actually gets money back from the utility company for the power he generates into the line.

That being said, new energy technology will work it's way into the system. Because of solar tech., power companies have had to adapt to people providing their own energy. It would be the same with any other grid-tied energy source.
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: Thphan75 on December 21, 2015, 03:06:07 PM


So, Thphan, you are hostile to any utterance of a possibility that there might be resistance to acceptance of an invasion of free energy into this present world of dog-eat-dog, might-makes-right, screw-your-neighbor-before -they -can-screw-you, and you only want replies that relate to a fairy tale world where there are no bad guys?

Dream on, Jack.


CANGAS 197

This is the thing about you and the conspiracy folks.  No, I'm not hostile towards theories but rather I prefer evidence.  It's ironic you think we live in a fairy tale world when we try to search for evidence while you instead just lay claims.  Your real enemy are those who post bogus, fake claims that they found a way to produce super cheap, free energy yet nothing came of it.  What they do next is claim all types of conspiracies to cover up their fake claims and that's where it's hurting folks like you, assuming you're not one of these conspiracist.  Quite frankly, I find it hard in this world of live feeds and endless information that the government or some huge corporation can prevent a person who found a source of free energy from going public.  As a matter of fact, I'm helping you by getting to a common ground where what many people will expect to see, should we find such an abundance, cheap source of energy.  When we start seeing maybe even half the expectations, then we can start believing the claims but until then, theories are completely useless to most of us without proof.  Wake up, I'm not the one dreaming. ::)
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 21, 2015, 04:30:17 PM
The world as a whole is already on its way to a shift, into a green infrastructure.
Eventually, we will be completely run on solar, wind, geothermal,Hydro and nuclear energy.

This will reduce costs to the end user, but there will still be a cost. Costs to run the generation facilities, line maintenance, sub-stations, transformers, and associated labor costs.

The U.S. is about to be the only major coal burning nation on the planet. Thanks to Amtrak
but without them we have no trains.. That's going to be a delicate situation that affects millions of jobs.

But all in all, we will eventually run our planet on "free energy" from our environment. That will not however be "free"
for the consumer. Businesses and residents will still have an electrical bill, factories and labs will still be charged for their energy. The city will still get an electric bill from the power company.

What we need is an ideological change, a Freedom of Energy.
the right for individuals to create, possess, and/or use infinite amounts of energy.

Suppose for a moment that we could create a device the size of a toolshed that could power a subdivision.
It could be placed at a centralized location, say near the clubhouse, and wires run to each house.
Can we do that? is it legal? Can the developer legally obtain a permit to provide a Utility Electrical Service?
who owns it? the Neighborhood Association?

The answers will vary from state to state, country to country, how would we deal will this kind of technology?
will our governments allow us to do that?
Will the power companies pass legislation to prevent it from happening?

What do you think will happen if we found a source of "free energy"?
You are talking about 90% of all the money in the world......
An industry that consumes most of our oil, coal, natural gas, and nuclear fuel as a material for production.
larger than all four industries combined.
The things Banks were made of.







Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: antijon on December 21, 2015, 05:57:33 PM
Well said, sm0ky2.
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: John.K1 on December 21, 2015, 06:57:55 PM
My opinion:  It will never be free energy for end-user. Hungry government needs money supply and they will always find the way how to cover their lost. For example by higher taxes or flat charges. They will outlaw any non-certified home generators. Certified ones will have meters.  Same like with alcohol. It would be much cheaper to make it at home yourself but the law forbid this. ;)  Next think is what society will do with that. Will they fight for to be free?? Not sure. People loosing testosterone over the centuries and getting lazy and manipulated.

Now imagine how many millions of people will loose job from energy industry. That is another army of people for social benefits. Collaps on share market will close even more companies= more people will lose their jobs. This can finish in civil war.

Question is how that energy can be used in industrial sector. The economical brake to dig-over all planet will be gone, and hunger for precious metals will destroy big territories. Yes,solid pollution will be reduced and substituted by electro-magnetic.

Sorry for my negative point of view ;)
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: Thphan75 on December 21, 2015, 07:39:30 PM
The world as a whole is already on its way to a shift, into a green infrastructure.
Eventually, we will be completely run on solar, wind, geothermal,Hydro and nuclear energy.

This will reduce costs to the end user, but there will still be a cost. Costs to run the generation facilities, line maintenance, sub-stations, transformers, and associated labor costs.

The U.S. is about to be the only major coal burning nation on the planet. Thanks to Amtrak
but without them we have no trains.. That's going to be a delicate situation that affects millions of jobs.

But all in all, we will eventually run our planet on "free energy" from our environment. That will not however be "free"
for the consumer. Businesses and residents will still have an electrical bill, factories and labs will still be charged for their energy. The city will still get an electric bill from the power company.

What we need is an ideological change, a Freedom of Energy.
the right for individuals to create, possess, and/or use infinite amounts of energy.

Suppose for a moment that we could create a device the size of a toolshed that could power a subdivision.
It could be placed at a centralized location, say near the clubhouse, and wires run to each house.
Can we do that? is it legal? Can the developer legally obtain a permit to provide a Utility Electrical Service?
who owns it? the Neighborhood Association?

The answers will vary from state to state, country to country, how would we deal will this kind of technology?
will our governments allow us to do that?
Will the power companies pass legislation to prevent it from happening?

What do you think will happen if we found a source of "free energy"?
You are talking about 90% of all the money in the world......
An industry that consumes most of our oil, coal, natural gas, and nuclear fuel as a material for production.
larger than all four industries combined.
The things Banks were made of.

Interesting point of view but most of the energy you mentioned are already available but is still costly.  I did read a popular science article about some type of nuclear concept that was abandoned in the 60's but is much safer and thousands of times more productive than current nuclear plants.  It's an interesting concept about the subdivision power but I imagine most folks might not want to live near something that can produce enough energy to provide for a whole subdivision, I for one would fear the danger of living near one.
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: conradelektro on December 21, 2015, 07:40:39 PM
Sorry for my negative point of view ;)

I see two possible long term futures (and future A is more likely):

Future A: most of earth will be destroyed and humanity slips back into a stone age type existence where small bands of people (30 to 100 persons, like a tribe) roam the earth. The technological level will be like in the stone age (stone tools, may be cross bows, more likely the stone age spear thrower https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spear-thrower, hopefully there will be fire making skills). There will only be a few million people on earth who almost never meet.

Future B: small groups of people (100 to 500, also like tribes) live together in a very high technological environment which is almost indistinguishable from nature. Plants and living things will be engineered to provide energy, food, housing and clothing. There will be nor more than a few hundred million people on earth, evenly distributed over the nice weather regions of earth. Travelling will be a rare thing. There will be no overall political organisation, the "tribes" organise themselves and do not interfere with other "tribes". There is some interchange of people between the "tribes" (guests, cross marriage, adventures individuals).

In both futures there will still be crime and atrocities, but very few. Humans are designed to live in rather small groups (tribes or bands, like the apes). If the groups become big, bad things start to happen all the time, we become inhuman.

I think, both futures are a nice and hopeful outlook.

Read the ages of man, I am talking about the "golden age": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_Man

The ages of man happen in a great cycle, which repeats itself, over and over again. The "golden age" is always the longest and lasts many hundred thousands of years.  We are in the "iron age" which is the worst of all and the last and will be rather short.

This looks like a very outdated philosophy or world explanation, but no better one has appeared so far. At least it offers hope. And since we all do not know how the world works, why not pick a positive world view.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: Thphan75 on December 21, 2015, 07:46:08 PM
My opinion:  It will never be free energy for end-user. Hungry government needs money supply and they will always find the way how to cover their lost. For example by higher taxes or flat charges. They will outlaw any non-certified home generators. Certified ones will have meters.  Same like with alcohol. It would be much cheaper to make it at home yourself but the law forbid this. ;)  Next think is what society will do with that. Will they fight for to be free?? Not sure. People loosing testosterone over the centuries and getting lazy and manipulated.

Now imagine how many millions of people will loose job from energy industry. That is another army of people for social benefits. Collaps on share market will close even more companies= more people will lose their jobs. This can finish in civil war.

Question is how that energy can be used in industrial sector. The economical brake to dig-over all planet will be gone, and hunger for precious metals will destroy big territories. Yes,solid pollution will be reduced and substituted by electro-magnetic.

Sorry for my negative point of view ;)

Thanks, I welcome all points of view.  My biggest fear is the loss of jobs, imagine the current economics for oil & gas, so many people are losing their jobs in this industry right now.  Wait, could this be related? Could it be someone did find some type of free energy making device hence we have this surplus that's why the price of oil/gas is in such a decline?  To be honest, I was thinking it was due to over projection by greedy folks and now we're paying the price for it.  Either way, thanks for your POV.  ;)
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: conradelektro on December 21, 2015, 08:10:36 PM
My biggest fear is the loss of jobs, imagine the current economics for oil & gas, so many people are losing their jobs in this industry right now. 

Almost everyone will loose his job. If technology progresses, automation will make most jobs disappear. The concept of "working for a living" will then be an impossible way of living for about 80% of all people on earth.

It is highly unlikely that this "problem" (automation makes most jobs obsolete) will be solved. There will be chaos and destruction because the "under privileged" (the ones which will no longer be needed by the "economy") will revolt. And because there is no solution, it will end in total destruction (see Future A in my last post).

If we can solve the "problem"  (automation makes most jobs obsolete), we will live without jobs. Most people will have "nothing to do", which will cause "other problems" I can not even imagine. It would need a total rethinking of what "living" means. Some very highly skilled and highly educated people (may be 10% to 20%of the population) will maintain the infrastructure and drive the technological development on. The rest has to find a new way of "living", which a small mind like mine can not imagine at all.

Therefore, be ready for Future A (a new stone age with very few people on earth).

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 21, 2015, 08:20:00 PM
I see two possible long term futures (and future A is more likely):
...
Greetings, Conrad

I see a different future. Unrestricted by the current monetary distraction.
where we have the energy to master the elements, the earth and space.
a future where everyone has electricity, and internet, clean water and food.
the building of space stations and colonies to accommodate the hundreds of millions of people the earth is popping out.
and ships to travel to and fro

robots, automated labor, electric transportation, electric weaponry that needs no bullets.

we have these technologies already, the only thing holding us back is the cost of energy.
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: conradelektro on December 21, 2015, 08:54:47 PM
we have these technologies already, the only thing holding us back is the cost of energy.

Humankind always was in this "very good situation" you hope for in the future. Humans always had enough resources and energy to feed all people for free and to give a decent life to everyone. But no one ever did do that.

With more and more people on earth, technology had to become more and more sophisticated and it really happened. Over the ages the "powers of man" have become more, and more and more people could survive. Now we are at 7 billion.

But what we never managed was to organise ourselves to live in peace without harming each other. That only works on a very small level.

Since we never could organise ourselves for thousands of years, one has to expect that it will not happen in the next thousands of years.

Technology was always a consequence of world population (technology advances with the number of people). But what never advanced was the way we treat each other.

Technology is and was never a solution, it is only the outcome of population growth.
Do not confuse cause and effect. Technology can not change human nature, it just empowers bad and good people to do more bad and good things per minute. With a sword you can only kill one person at a time. With an atomic bomb you can kill much more in an instant.

So, technology was always used to advance the power and the wealth of a few (and only very rarely to help all people). And why should that change? The inequality on a space ship will be like the inequality on a big war ship of today or on the merchant fleets of today. The inequality in Lunar Capital will be the same as in New York. I am sure it will be even worse.

Why should going into space change the striving for power and wealth?

We do not have a technological problem, we have a political problem (better said a "psychological problem").

There is no indication that human nature is changing. To the contrary, technology enables human nature to do the power game and the wealth game on an ever higher and more gruesome level.

I know, people who like "science and technology", always like to think that science and technology is driving humankind. But this is a terrible misconception. Humankind is driven by power hunger and greed. And technology always helps power hunger and greed. Even worse, technology was developed to make power and greed more efficient. That was the only goal, all other goals are mere fairy tales for the masses to keep them calm.

Only such technologies are paid for, which give some people more power and more profit.

So, going into space or having a better technology does not give us a better way of life, it just makes a few more powerful and richer.

Your "space age" (if it ever happens) will produce crimes and atrocities of unimaginable proportions.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: forest on December 21, 2015, 09:51:51 PM
Future is completly different. Around year 2039 climate change will destroy current society .Floods , famine, wars, nuclear - total disaster. Because free energy was not released to the public. Because renewable energy was never a solution - too costly, too slow , to 'economic' to stop the changes.
Humanity can only survive if its social behaviour would change totally.
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: conradelektro on December 21, 2015, 11:40:52 PM
Around year 2039 climate change will destroy current society .Floods , famine, wars, nuclear - total disaster.

Is there a difference (in principle) to my prediction? Of course, you can imagine a million details, if you like.

Future A: most of earth will be destroyed and humanity slips back into a stone age type existence where small bands of people (30 to 100 persons, like a tribe) roam the earth. The technological level will be like in the stone age (stone tools, may be cross bows, more likely the stone age spear thrower https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spear-thrower (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spear-thrower), hopefully there will be fire making skills). There will only be a few million people on earth who almost never meet.

Humanity can only survive if its social behaviour would change totally.

Will the social behaviour change after the total destruction? Of course not, the "normal behaviour" will again be very suitable for the new stone age. Our "normal social behaviour" is absolutely suitable for a life in small groups (you may call them tribes or bands). Only technology and a great number of people  make the lust for power and the lust for wealth too successful for our own good.

So, without ranting about details:

- There will be total destruction and a reduction of the global population to a few million. How this will happen is not important, thousands of possibilities, each one leads in the end to the same result in principle.

- Human nature (or social behaviour, or how we are) will not change, it is what makes us what we are. A changed humankind would not be humankind any more. It is possible that humans die out like many species before us. How a new ape species, if any evolves, would look like and how it would behave is beyond any speculation.

- Technology can not be a saviour, it amplifies problems. Technology speeds up the striving for power and wealth. Technology makes the bad intentions of people worse not better. A king with a sword can be beaten by a few people, a king with an atomic bomb and an army like the US-army is hard to stop.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: marathonman on December 22, 2015, 04:38:17 AM
You seem to dislike Corporate America and you might be right that they're filthy rich but around the world, I don't see any other corporations giving back as the American corporation.  If you think there are, then it would be better to reference how those corporate countries are better than America's and perhaps then, will CA learn to be better.  Complaints alone won't make a great example, to make a change, take a lead.

Good god, that is some of the best advice i have ever heard. thank you
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 22, 2015, 08:35:53 PM
@ Conrad

We can never change peoples hunger, nor greed. That's something only they can go through as individuals.
some realize it at an early age, and never go down that route. some spend a good portion of their lives chasing
material dreams, then have a "change of heart", while others live out their lives and die entirely consumed by their greed.

currently those in power strive to consume our excess income. squeezing us here or there, taking real world actions to
keep us under their thumbs. Approving a highway budget, but denying road subsidies to several major metropolitan cities and states. Why? because we spend 40 billion a year on tires..... They want to keep us trapped and stagnated in this game, month to month, year to year, paying our bills, going to work, slaves to the economic machine that keeps us distracted from our true human potential.
 
What freedom of energy and technology will do for us, is redistribute the wealth, and the power.
people, companies, groups, and other entities will be able to do things they currently cannot do.
When we are able to lower the cost of energy, materials, products, SO MUCH that everyone can afford the luxuries of life...  everyone will have more expendable income, which they will sink into other areas of the economy.
As prices continue to drop, and items become extremely low cost, or nearly free, the money will hold less "meaning" in our lives. It won't matter anymore... everyone will have so much money they don't know what to do with it.
And the rich and powerful elite will have their fortunes, that are then worthless or "worth less".....

Money is what drives the power, and the control. the more money we have, or the more valuable the money we have becomes, the more power and freedom we obtain as people.
We can buy the things we want or need, we can travel, our time becomes more readily available to us.

90% of the cost of EVERYTHING we buy, can be traced back to energy costs and energy-related taxation.
that means if we fix that problem, we can buy 10 things for our dollar.
That's not even including the further lowering of costs that will come from improving manufacturing techniques
as a result of the increase in available free energy.

people fear the loss of jobs that will incur, but as one industry collapses, a new one will take its place.
new fields of human endeavor will pop up and provide jobs for those that need or want to work.
work will also become more of an option for many of us. families able to survive with only one working member.
the rest of the family would have the free time to change the world in their own creative ways.

freeing of energy is much more than the surface level appearance, what you see on your electric bill
or at the gas pump, or when you turn on your furnace to heat your home and water or cook your food.

Its a freeing of us as a culture, as individuals, as a species.
It is time that we are no longer enslaved by their system
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: conradelektro on December 22, 2015, 09:11:43 PM

What freedom of energy and technology will do for us, is redistribute the wealth, and the power.
people, companies, groups, and other entities will be able to do things they currently cannot do.
When we are able to lower the cost of energy, materials, products, SO MUCH that everyone can afford the luxuries of life...  everyone will have more expendable income, which they will sink into other areas of the economy.
As prices continue to drop, and items become extremely low cost, or nearly free, the money will hold less "meaning" in our lives. It won't matter anymore... everyone will have so much money they don't know what to do with it.
And the rich and powerful elite will have their fortunes, that are then worthless or "worth less".....

90% of the cost of EVERYTHING we buy, can be traced back to energy costs and energy-related taxation.
that means if we fix that problem, we can buy 10 things for our dollar.
That's not even including the further lowering of costs that will come from improving manufacturing techniques
as a result of the increase in available free energy.


This is a nice idea, but I do not buy it.

The freedom of energy and technology is and was always present. We just can not accept it. Yes, with more and cheaper energy one can produce more, but we do not really need more things. People who are free of greed live with very little in a very small house and use very little energy and very little of everything. But only few want such a life. I have met a few, but I could not live like that because I am also greedy and power hungry. (Being greedy and power hungry does not necessarily mean that one has success. Therefore do not worry, I am not rich and not powerful.)

If we got "free energy" (really cheap energy available with little investment by the Mega-Watt everywhere) the world would become a terrible place. Everybody would waste an incredible amount of energy (which causes even more global warming) and the wars and fights will become even more deadly. All conflicts will become more deadly, just imagine a ray gun in the hands of a criminal. Cars, boats and air-planes will become cheaper and more powerful, therefore even more traffic and transportation of goods, which will destroy nature even more. And so on, everything bad will become bigger and more dangerous.

I think you understand what I mean, therefore I stop.

It is clear where we differ. And there is no point in trying to convince each other. I hope you are right, but what I have seen on this world and also in me makes my view more plausible for me. May be you are a better person and therefore more hopeful.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: synchro1 on December 23, 2015, 08:29:22 PM
@Conradelectro,

More evidence I chose the right guy to test my "Synchro Coil".
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: massive on December 24, 2015, 12:40:27 AM

http://www.greenandcarter.com/main/products.htm

this company has been around a long time manufacturing free energy technology . these are amazing to see in person .
there are different small companies that have made these . OLD new york used these all over the place.

electric cars out numbered internal combustion cars in the late 1800s and early 1900s , the technology is not new , just the PR spin makes new and cutting edge

the best thing free energy could do is create a global crash  as opposed to the orchestrated "recession"
the ecomonic system needs total colapse


(google )  recessions have a history of repeating , the general population get hit hard every time.

if theres a REAL genuine crash then the guys at the top are gonna take a REAL genuine permanent hit and holding companies in the caymans , NZ etc , will be worthless

thats the only form of justice that can be served to that minority
Title: Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 24, 2015, 07:23:19 AM
I don't think we will see a total crash as a result of free energy.
what we would see is certain companies, or entire industries decline or cease to exist.
at the same time, other companies, and industries will increase in productivity.
new ones will be formed, and the $ will simply redistribute.
Investors will take money from one sector and put it into another.
For instance, if the demand on oil declines, what does that do for the plastic industry?
  plastic becomes cheaper and they can make a lot more of it.
 
This is one example of "price deflation"
price deflation is not the same as a recession. It is a natural function of the supply and demand system.
 Deflating the prices in the economy is actually a good thing, consumers have more expendable income
to place into other areas. The economy as a whole benefits from this.
 
Where-as in a recession, average income drops below the cost of living. (or the cost of living rises to above the average income)
  This DECREASES the expendable income, and every sector of the economy suffers. This is caused by price INFLATION.

While the people in control of the $$ want inflation, in the event of price deflation, rest assured they will protect their investments,
and maneuver their money around into the productive areas of our economy.
Sure, there may be some fat guy in a Saudi Arabian palace that loses his fortune, but all in all, our economy will be just fine.

more industries will benefit from this than will be harmed.

and while I can't argue against the potentially devastating environmental effects of a limitless human culture, I like to hope we will be responsible about it and use some of that free energy to run catalytic converters to clean up the air, and process waste materials in a responsible manner.

I think the whole world will change... there will be less need for greed.
that's not to say there wont be greedy people, or that people will not have any greed at all, but it will decrease when there is an abundance.
when we are not struggling to survive, the greed means less to us, or becomes less important in our lives.

there will always be evil or mal-intended people, we will deal with them the best we can... but overall, I think the shift will be towards a
more peaceful existence, because people will not be deprived, and their individual lives will be less stressful.

also with the increase in technology that will be associated with free energy, will make it harder to do bad things without everyone knowing about it.