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Offline SoManyWires

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Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2015, 01:11:28 PM »
I think if everyone knows free energy then that's the end of human happy life because big money will lose in the government, then it will find other way to make money or to get money from the people and i believe it is more worse than we think.   :)




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Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2015, 06:13:00 PM »
Governments will lose control on energy and could set off a war or popular uprisings, until they find a way to return to the control of energy, for example could raid the electrical conductors to manage and control its use, as they are now doing with greenhouse gases, but with the use of force and a state of vigilance as for drugs. A beautiful setting for a science fiction movie

Offline conradelektro

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Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2015, 07:29:29 PM »
I do not know, why people do not find the readily available source of free energy?

Open your window and most of the time you will feel some wind. And this is your source of free energy!

But even better, you can even find the source of the energy behind the wind. Listen and read carefully: IT IS THE SUN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Right, the sun will not burn longer than a few more billion years. But till then it is for free!

So, here you go, like all living things on earth, use the sun.

An you can also see clearly everywhere what will happen, better said, what is happening:

Big business and their pet governments are still in control.

No miracle, no mystery, just open you eyes.

If used in the right way, wind and sun can give decentralised power to everyone for a reasonable investment. Why is it not done? Well, because you look for a miracle instead of using what is everywhere.

Greetings, Conrad

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Offline antijon

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Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2015, 08:17:05 PM »
Hey Thphan75,
About solar panels, here in the USA there's actually plenty of opportunity to use this type of "free" energy and have a large return of investment. There are companies that sell solar systems, including all the gear to hook it to the grid, for a monthly charge.

I'm not advertising for them, someone I know had a large system installed on his roof. I think he paid about $250 a month for a few years to pay them off. But the benefits in the USA are, 1. Fed. tax credits that pay for a large chunk of upfront costs, and 2. he actually gets money back from the utility company for the power he generates into the line.

That being said, new energy technology will work it's way into the system. Because of solar tech., power companies have had to adapt to people providing their own energy. It would be the same with any other grid-tied energy source.

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Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2015, 03:06:07 PM »


So, Thphan, you are hostile to any utterance of a possibility that there might be resistance to acceptance of an invasion of free energy into this present world of dog-eat-dog, might-makes-right, screw-your-neighbor-before -they -can-screw-you, and you only want replies that relate to a fairy tale world where there are no bad guys?

Dream on, Jack.


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This is the thing about you and the conspiracy folks.  No, I'm not hostile towards theories but rather I prefer evidence.  It's ironic you think we live in a fairy tale world when we try to search for evidence while you instead just lay claims.  Your real enemy are those who post bogus, fake claims that they found a way to produce super cheap, free energy yet nothing came of it.  What they do next is claim all types of conspiracies to cover up their fake claims and that's where it's hurting folks like you, assuming you're not one of these conspiracist.  Quite frankly, I find it hard in this world of live feeds and endless information that the government or some huge corporation can prevent a person who found a source of free energy from going public.  As a matter of fact, I'm helping you by getting to a common ground where what many people will expect to see, should we find such an abundance, cheap source of energy.  When we start seeing maybe even half the expectations, then we can start believing the claims but until then, theories are completely useless to most of us without proof.  Wake up, I'm not the one dreaming. ::)

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Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
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Offline sm0ky2

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Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2015, 04:30:17 PM »
The world as a whole is already on its way to a shift, into a green infrastructure.
Eventually, we will be completely run on solar, wind, geothermal,Hydro and nuclear energy.

This will reduce costs to the end user, but there will still be a cost. Costs to run the generation facilities, line maintenance, sub-stations, transformers, and associated labor costs.

The U.S. is about to be the only major coal burning nation on the planet. Thanks to Amtrak
but without them we have no trains.. That's going to be a delicate situation that affects millions of jobs.

But all in all, we will eventually run our planet on "free energy" from our environment. That will not however be "free"
for the consumer. Businesses and residents will still have an electrical bill, factories and labs will still be charged for their energy. The city will still get an electric bill from the power company.

What we need is an ideological change, a Freedom of Energy.
the right for individuals to create, possess, and/or use infinite amounts of energy.

Suppose for a moment that we could create a device the size of a toolshed that could power a subdivision.
It could be placed at a centralized location, say near the clubhouse, and wires run to each house.
Can we do that? is it legal? Can the developer legally obtain a permit to provide a Utility Electrical Service?
who owns it? the Neighborhood Association?

The answers will vary from state to state, country to country, how would we deal will this kind of technology?
will our governments allow us to do that?
Will the power companies pass legislation to prevent it from happening?

What do you think will happen if we found a source of "free energy"?
You are talking about 90% of all the money in the world......
An industry that consumes most of our oil, coal, natural gas, and nuclear fuel as a material for production.
larger than all four industries combined.
The things Banks were made of.








Offline antijon

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Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2015, 05:57:33 PM »
Well said, sm0ky2.

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Offline John.K1

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Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2015, 06:57:55 PM »
My opinion:  It will never be free energy for end-user. Hungry government needs money supply and they will always find the way how to cover their lost. For example by higher taxes or flat charges. They will outlaw any non-certified home generators. Certified ones will have meters.  Same like with alcohol. It would be much cheaper to make it at home yourself but the law forbid this. ;)  Next think is what society will do with that. Will they fight for to be free?? Not sure. People loosing testosterone over the centuries and getting lazy and manipulated.

Now imagine how many millions of people will loose job from energy industry. That is another army of people for social benefits. Collaps on share market will close even more companies= more people will lose their jobs. This can finish in civil war.

Question is how that energy can be used in industrial sector. The economical brake to dig-over all planet will be gone, and hunger for precious metals will destroy big territories. Yes,solid pollution will be reduced and substituted by electro-magnetic.

Sorry for my negative point of view ;)

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Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2015, 07:39:30 PM »
The world as a whole is already on its way to a shift, into a green infrastructure.
Eventually, we will be completely run on solar, wind, geothermal,Hydro and nuclear energy.

This will reduce costs to the end user, but there will still be a cost. Costs to run the generation facilities, line maintenance, sub-stations, transformers, and associated labor costs.

The U.S. is about to be the only major coal burning nation on the planet. Thanks to Amtrak
but without them we have no trains.. That's going to be a delicate situation that affects millions of jobs.

But all in all, we will eventually run our planet on "free energy" from our environment. That will not however be "free"
for the consumer. Businesses and residents will still have an electrical bill, factories and labs will still be charged for their energy. The city will still get an electric bill from the power company.

What we need is an ideological change, a Freedom of Energy.
the right for individuals to create, possess, and/or use infinite amounts of energy.

Suppose for a moment that we could create a device the size of a toolshed that could power a subdivision.
It could be placed at a centralized location, say near the clubhouse, and wires run to each house.
Can we do that? is it legal? Can the developer legally obtain a permit to provide a Utility Electrical Service?
who owns it? the Neighborhood Association?

The answers will vary from state to state, country to country, how would we deal will this kind of technology?
will our governments allow us to do that?
Will the power companies pass legislation to prevent it from happening?

What do you think will happen if we found a source of "free energy"?
You are talking about 90% of all the money in the world......
An industry that consumes most of our oil, coal, natural gas, and nuclear fuel as a material for production.
larger than all four industries combined.
The things Banks were made of.

Interesting point of view but most of the energy you mentioned are already available but is still costly.  I did read a popular science article about some type of nuclear concept that was abandoned in the 60's but is much safer and thousands of times more productive than current nuclear plants.  It's an interesting concept about the subdivision power but I imagine most folks might not want to live near something that can produce enough energy to provide for a whole subdivision, I for one would fear the danger of living near one.

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Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
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Offline conradelektro

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Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2015, 07:40:39 PM »
Sorry for my negative point of view ;)

I see two possible long term futures (and future A is more likely):

Future A: most of earth will be destroyed and humanity slips back into a stone age type existence where small bands of people (30 to 100 persons, like a tribe) roam the earth. The technological level will be like in the stone age (stone tools, may be cross bows, more likely the stone age spear thrower https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spear-thrower, hopefully there will be fire making skills). There will only be a few million people on earth who almost never meet.

Future B: small groups of people (100 to 500, also like tribes) live together in a very high technological environment which is almost indistinguishable from nature. Plants and living things will be engineered to provide energy, food, housing and clothing. There will be nor more than a few hundred million people on earth, evenly distributed over the nice weather regions of earth. Travelling will be a rare thing. There will be no overall political organisation, the "tribes" organise themselves and do not interfere with other "tribes". There is some interchange of people between the "tribes" (guests, cross marriage, adventures individuals).

In both futures there will still be crime and atrocities, but very few. Humans are designed to live in rather small groups (tribes or bands, like the apes). If the groups become big, bad things start to happen all the time, we become inhuman.

I think, both futures are a nice and hopeful outlook.

Read the ages of man, I am talking about the "golden age": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_Man

The ages of man happen in a great cycle, which repeats itself, over and over again. The "golden age" is always the longest and lasts many hundred thousands of years.  We are in the "iron age" which is the worst of all and the last and will be rather short.

This looks like a very outdated philosophy or world explanation, but no better one has appeared so far. At least it offers hope. And since we all do not know how the world works, why not pick a positive world view.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2015, 07:46:08 PM »
My opinion:  It will never be free energy for end-user. Hungry government needs money supply and they will always find the way how to cover their lost. For example by higher taxes or flat charges. They will outlaw any non-certified home generators. Certified ones will have meters.  Same like with alcohol. It would be much cheaper to make it at home yourself but the law forbid this. ;)  Next think is what society will do with that. Will they fight for to be free?? Not sure. People loosing testosterone over the centuries and getting lazy and manipulated.

Now imagine how many millions of people will loose job from energy industry. That is another army of people for social benefits. Collaps on share market will close even more companies= more people will lose their jobs. This can finish in civil war.

Question is how that energy can be used in industrial sector. The economical brake to dig-over all planet will be gone, and hunger for precious metals will destroy big territories. Yes,solid pollution will be reduced and substituted by electro-magnetic.

Sorry for my negative point of view ;)

Thanks, I welcome all points of view.  My biggest fear is the loss of jobs, imagine the current economics for oil & gas, so many people are losing their jobs in this industry right now.  Wait, could this be related? Could it be someone did find some type of free energy making device hence we have this surplus that's why the price of oil/gas is in such a decline?  To be honest, I was thinking it was due to over projection by greedy folks and now we're paying the price for it.  Either way, thanks for your POV.  ;)

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Offline conradelektro

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Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
« Reply #26 on: December 21, 2015, 08:10:36 PM »
My biggest fear is the loss of jobs, imagine the current economics for oil & gas, so many people are losing their jobs in this industry right now. 

Almost everyone will loose his job. If technology progresses, automation will make most jobs disappear. The concept of "working for a living" will then be an impossible way of living for about 80% of all people on earth.

It is highly unlikely that this "problem" (automation makes most jobs obsolete) will be solved. There will be chaos and destruction because the "under privileged" (the ones which will no longer be needed by the "economy") will revolt. And because there is no solution, it will end in total destruction (see Future A in my last post).

If we can solve the "problem"  (automation makes most jobs obsolete), we will live without jobs. Most people will have "nothing to do", which will cause "other problems" I can not even imagine. It would need a total rethinking of what "living" means. Some very highly skilled and highly educated people (may be 10% to 20%of the population) will maintain the infrastructure and drive the technological development on. The rest has to find a new way of "living", which a small mind like mine can not imagine at all.

Therefore, be ready for Future A (a new stone age with very few people on earth).

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
« Reply #27 on: December 21, 2015, 08:20:00 PM »
I see two possible long term futures (and future A is more likely):
...
Greetings, Conrad

I see a different future. Unrestricted by the current monetary distraction.
where we have the energy to master the elements, the earth and space.
a future where everyone has electricity, and internet, clean water and food.
the building of space stations and colonies to accommodate the hundreds of millions of people the earth is popping out.
and ships to travel to and fro

robots, automated labor, electric transportation, electric weaponry that needs no bullets.

we have these technologies already, the only thing holding us back is the cost of energy.

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« Reply #28 on: December 21, 2015, 08:54:47 PM »
we have these technologies already, the only thing holding us back is the cost of energy.

Humankind always was in this "very good situation" you hope for in the future. Humans always had enough resources and energy to feed all people for free and to give a decent life to everyone. But no one ever did do that.

With more and more people on earth, technology had to become more and more sophisticated and it really happened. Over the ages the "powers of man" have become more, and more and more people could survive. Now we are at 7 billion.

But what we never managed was to organise ourselves to live in peace without harming each other. That only works on a very small level.

Since we never could organise ourselves for thousands of years, one has to expect that it will not happen in the next thousands of years.

Technology was always a consequence of world population (technology advances with the number of people). But what never advanced was the way we treat each other.

Technology is and was never a solution, it is only the outcome of population growth.
Do not confuse cause and effect. Technology can not change human nature, it just empowers bad and good people to do more bad and good things per minute. With a sword you can only kill one person at a time. With an atomic bomb you can kill much more in an instant.

So, technology was always used to advance the power and the wealth of a few (and only very rarely to help all people). And why should that change? The inequality on a space ship will be like the inequality on a big war ship of today or on the merchant fleets of today. The inequality in Lunar Capital will be the same as in New York. I am sure it will be even worse.

Why should going into space change the striving for power and wealth?

We do not have a technological problem, we have a political problem (better said a "psychological problem").

There is no indication that human nature is changing. To the contrary, technology enables human nature to do the power game and the wealth game on an ever higher and more gruesome level.

I know, people who like "science and technology", always like to think that science and technology is driving humankind. But this is a terrible misconception. Humankind is driven by power hunger and greed. And technology always helps power hunger and greed. Even worse, technology was developed to make power and greed more efficient. That was the only goal, all other goals are mere fairy tales for the masses to keep them calm.

Only such technologies are paid for, which give some people more power and more profit.

So, going into space or having a better technology does not give us a better way of life, it just makes a few more powerful and richer.

Your "space age" (if it ever happens) will produce crimes and atrocities of unimaginable proportions.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: What do you think will happen if we found a source of free energy?
« Reply #29 on: December 21, 2015, 09:51:51 PM »
Future is completly different. Around year 2039 climate change will destroy current society .Floods , famine, wars, nuclear - total disaster. Because free energy was not released to the public. Because renewable energy was never a solution - too costly, too slow , to 'economic' to stop the changes.
Humanity can only survive if its social behaviour would change totally.

 

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