Language: 
To browser these website, it's necessary to store cookies on your computer.
The cookies contain no personal information, they are required for program control.
  the storage of cookies while browsing this website, on Login and Register.

GDPR and DSGVO law

Storing Cookies (See : http://ec.europa.eu/ipg/basics/legal/cookies/index_en.htm ) help us to bring you our services at overunity.com . If you use this website and our services you declare yourself okay with using cookies .More Infos here:
https://overunity.com/5553/privacy-policy/
If you do not agree with storing cookies, please LEAVE this website now. From the 25th of May 2018, every existing user has to accept the GDPR agreement at first login. If a user is unwilling to accept the GDPR, he should email us and request to erase his account. Many thanks for your understanding.
Amazon Warehouse Deals ! Now even more Deep Discounts ! Check out these great prices on slightly used or just opened once only items.I always buy my gadgets via these great Warehouse deals ! Highly recommended ! Many thanks for supporting OverUnity.com this way.

User Menu

Tesla Paper

Free Energy Book

Get paid

Donations

Please Donate for the Forum.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.(Admin)

A-Ads

Powerbox

Smartbox

3D Solar

3D Solar Panels

DC2DC converter

Micro JouleThief

FireMatch

FireMatch

CCKnife

CCKnife

CCTool

CCTool

Magpi Magazine

Magpi Magazine Free Rasberry Pi Magazine

Battery Recondition

Battery Recondition

Arduino

Ultracaps

YT Subscribe

Gravity Machines

Tesla-Ebook

Magnet Secrets

Lindemann Video

Navigation

Products

Products

WaterMotor kit

Statistics

  • *Total Members: 83955
  • *Latest: serials

  • *Total Posts: 525618
  • *Total Topics: 15645
  • *Online Today: 44
  • *Most Online: 103
(December 19, 2006, 11:27:19 PM)
  • *Users: 2
  • *Guests: 9
  • *Total: 11

Author Topic: Rotating Magnetic Field's and Inductors.  (Read 118633 times)

Offline MileHigh

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7600
Re: Rotating Magnetic Field's and Inductors.
« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2015, 01:55:33 AM »
Here you go mate, a second party confirmation with a suggestion how to further boost your results.

Link to video demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwKd7UG1Wb8

Enjoy ;)

Luc

I think that you need to review what you mean by the "efficiency of a coil."  Brad has defined it as the average output power from the back spike as compared to the average input power.  In your clip I am not clear on what you mean by "efficiency" nor am I clear on what measurements you are attributing to the claim you are making.  Perhaps the numbers are there in the clip but they are not standing out for me.  Your main point seems to be that a long energizing cycle without a passing rotor magnet inducing a huge amount of EMF in the coil will result in a large amount of current flowing into the coil.  Beyond that I am not really sure what point you are making.

Brad:  You are still not seeing the forest for the trees.  You need to seriously think about the thrust of your argument.

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Rotating Magnetic Field's and Inductors.
« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2015, 01:55:33 AM »

Offline TinselKoala

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13968
Re: Rotating Magnetic Field's and Inductors.
« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2015, 02:14:03 AM »
Ditto.

I'm wondering what kind of "efficiency" numbers I'd get from this old thing if I used the same measurement and calculation process that we are calling "efficiency" here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfC5cTHtfYY

Offline MileHigh

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7600
Re: Rotating Magnetic Field's and Inductors.
« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2015, 02:58:25 AM »
Brad:

I believe that you state in your clip that the rotor has eight magnets alternating north-south-north... facing outwards.  Are you sure about that because your waveforms don't seem to indicate that.

MileHigh

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Rotating Magnetic Field's and Inductors.
« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2015, 02:58:25 AM »
Sponsored links:




Offline verpies

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3464
Re: Rotating Magnetic Field's and Inductors.
« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2015, 03:19:10 AM »
I'm wondering what kind of "efficiency" numbers I'd get
I think that a good efficiency number would be the energy used to energize the coil's circuit (L1 & R1), divided by the energy gained be the capacitor C1, after S1 opens and the "inductive spike" energy is recovered into C1.

...measuring the gain when starting from an empty capacitor, preferably.

Offline verpies

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3464
Re: Rotating Magnetic Field's and Inductors.
« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2015, 03:33:11 AM »
Once, I did some math, that calculated the ratio of:

energy stored in an inductance
 vs.
energy dissipated in the resistance used to energize this inductance.

...in a simple LR circuit energized by a constant voltage step and I got the formula below, as a function of time (t):

Note, that this formula evaluates to 1 when t = 1.151389*Tau


P.S.
I would appreciate if some math enthusiast could simplify this formula.

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Rotating Magnetic Field's and Inductors.
« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2015, 03:33:11 AM »
Sponsored links:




Offline EMJunkie

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3316
Re: Rotating Magnetic Field's and Inductors.
« Reply #35 on: December 16, 2015, 04:26:36 AM »
I was going to start a new thread for this but instead decided that the topic of this thread really is the same.

I have done a video with a demonstration of how Electrical Energy is "Generated" - Electrical Energy 101 - Faradays Law of Induction - Part 1

F = the Force on the Electron, or the Charge in the Conductor. Forcing the ve+ Charge in the Direction of the Arrow F.

References: Spin–charge separationPhotoinduced charge separation and Lorentz force

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Offline tinman

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5231
Re: Rotating Magnetic Field's and Inductors.
« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2015, 05:07:32 AM »
Ditto.

I'm wondering what kind of "efficiency" numbers I'd get from this old thing if I used the same measurement and calculation process that we are calling "efficiency" here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfC5cTHtfYY

Remember
I made it very clear in both my videos and my post a few post back, that I am refering only to the electrical efficiency (P/in to P/out ratio)
I am not trying to calculate mechanical or heat output in these test.
If you think that there is something wrong with my electrical P/in to P/out ratio and efficiency calculations, then please say so.

If you also think there is a way to increase that electrical efficiency (using the coil I am using)without the magnets in play, then feel free to voice your opinion.

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Rotating Magnetic Field's and Inductors.
« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2015, 05:07:32 AM »
Sponsored links:




Offline tinman

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5231
Re: Rotating Magnetic Field's and Inductors.
« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2015, 05:14:31 AM »
Brad:

I believe that you state in your clip that the rotor has eight magnets alternating north-south-north... facing outwards.  Are you sure about that because your waveforms don't seem to indicate that.

MileHigh

Yes, I am sure about that MH
Things not looking like they should be hey?
Aint that a hoot.

How should they look MH ?


Brad

Offline tinman

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5231
Re: Rotating Magnetic Field's and Inductors.
« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2015, 05:25:39 AM »
Tonight, and over the weekend, I will be building my toroidal version of a pulse motor--> im sure Erfinder knows whats coming up.

I hope all the builders out there put all the pieces together ;)

Brad

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Rotating Magnetic Field's and Inductors.
« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2015, 05:25:39 AM »
3D Solar Panels

Offline MileHigh

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7600
Re: Rotating Magnetic Field's and Inductors.
« Reply #39 on: December 16, 2015, 06:21:32 AM »
Yes, I am sure about that MH
Things not looking like they should be hey?
Aint that a hoot.

How should they look MH ?

Yes I did a double-take on that one and realize where I went wrong after having a second look at the geometry of the setup.  Your eight-pole rotor looks like a four-pole rotor.

The real hoot is that you are still leading yourself down a garden path and Luc is along for the ride.  You need to put the pieces of the puzzle together and come up with the right conclusion.

How is it possible that a coil that is driving a rotor can be more efficient than a coil that is not driving a rotor?  Conservation of energy is telling you that that makes no sense at all - it's impossible.  The magnets are not "increasing efficiency" - try figuring it out by assuming for the sake of argument that I am right.

Think about it, you are on a forum for energy research and you are deceiving yourself and convincing yourself one more time that "magnets are a source of energy" or "magnets increase efficiency seemingly out of nowhere."  That's why there are all of these unscrupulous con artists out there because it's such an easy thing to do, it's like taking candy from a baby.  Try to figure it out because right now you are spreading disinformation and making it that much easier for the con artists.

MileHigh

Offline Magluvin

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5839
Re: Rotating Magnetic Field's and Inductors.
« Reply #40 on: December 16, 2015, 06:57:14 AM »
Yes I did a double-take on that one and realize where I went wrong after having a second look at the geometry of the setup.  Your eight-pole rotor looks like a four-pole rotor.

The real hoot is that you are still leading yourself down a garden path and Luc is along for the ride.  You need to put the pieces of the puzzle together and come up with the right conclusion.

How is it possible that a coil that is driving a rotor can be more efficient than a coil that is not driving a rotor?  Conservation of energy is telling you that that makes no sense at all - it's impossible.  The magnets are not "increasing efficiency" - try figuring it out by assuming for the sake of argument that I am right.

Think about it, you are on a forum for energy research and you are deceiving yourself and convincing yourself one more time that "magnets are a source of energy" or "magnets increase efficiency seemingly out of nowhere."  That's why there are all of these unscrupulous con artists out there because it's such an easy thing to do, it's like taking candy from a baby.  Try to figure it out because right now you are spreading disinformation and making it that much easier for the con artists.

MileHigh

Well, they are showing the differences of I/O with and without the rotor. And the differences seem to be showing what they say.

The magnet of the rotor is definitely playing its part by being involved, whether it is generating while spinning or biasing the coil core. 

So what are 'we' missing if they dont have it right? Where is the problem in seeing that the efficiency of the system seems to get better with the rotor rather than without?

If there is an answer, please put it out there so that the issue that you pose can be accessed.  ;D

Mags

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Rotating Magnetic Field's and Inductors.
« Reply #40 on: December 16, 2015, 06:57:14 AM »
3D Solar Panels

Offline EMJunkie

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3316
Re: Rotating Magnetic Field's and Inductors.
« Reply #41 on: December 16, 2015, 08:07:06 AM »
Yes I did a double-take on that one and realize where I went wrong after having a second look at the geometry of the setup.  Your eight-pole rotor looks like a four-pole rotor.

The real hoot is that you are still leading yourself down a garden path and Luc is along for the ride.  You need to put the pieces of the puzzle together and come up with the right conclusion.

How is it possible that a coil that is driving a rotor can be more efficient than a coil that is not driving a rotor?  Conservation of energy is telling you that that makes no sense at all - it's impossible.  The magnets are not "increasing efficiency" - try figuring it out by assuming for the sake of argument that I am right.

Think about it, you are on a forum for energy research and you are deceiving yourself and convincing yourself one more time that "magnets are a source of energy" or "magnets increase efficiency seemingly out of nowhere."  That's why there are all of these unscrupulous con artists out there because it's such an easy thing to do, it's like taking candy from a baby.  Try to figure it out because right now you are spreading disinformation and making it that much easier for the con artists.

MileHigh


MileHigh  - What a Hoot!!!

You have no clue at all How an Electrical Generator Works do you? Hahahahaha

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Offline EMJunkie

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3316
Re: Rotating Magnetic Field's and Inductors.
« Reply #42 on: December 16, 2015, 08:08:08 AM »
...and on the scope the V/R limit and the core saturation look like this:

Thanks Verpies!!! Again and as always, excellent information!!!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Offline EMJunkie

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3316
Re: Rotating Magnetic Field's and Inductors.
« Reply #43 on: December 16, 2015, 09:50:14 AM »


I have done another video, Part 2, with a demonstration of how Electrical Energy is "Generated" - Electrical Energy 101 - Faradays Law of Induction - Part 2

References: Spin–charge separationPhotoinduced charge separation and Lorentz force

Have had a few distractions so please forgive my lack of fluency!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Offline tinman

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5231
Re: Rotating Magnetic Field's and Inductors.
« Reply #44 on: December 16, 2015, 10:49:53 AM »
Yes I did a double-take on that one and realize where I went wrong after having a second look at the geometry of the setup.  Your eight-pole rotor looks like a four-pole rotor.

The real hoot is that you are still leading yourself down a garden path and Luc is along for the ride.  You need to put the pieces of the puzzle together and come up with the right conclusion.

 

 That's why there are all of these unscrupulous con artists out there because it's such an easy thing to do, it's like taking candy from a baby.  Try to figure it out because right now you are spreading disinformation and making it that much easier for the con artists.

MileHigh

So far,i(and Luc) are the only ones here that have provided proof that it is indeed the magnets that are increasing the efficiency of the DUT. I have given you the opportunity to put forth your argument,and prove that the magnets are not what is increasing the efficiency of the system. All you have to say is-->i should believe what you say(sounds a bit vain),and yet you provide no counter argument.

If it is not the magnets that are increasing the efficiency MH,then what is it ?.

Quote
How is it possible that a coil that is driving a rotor can be more efficient than a coil that is not driving a rotor?  Conservation of energy is telling you that that makes no sense at all - it's impossible.

And yet there it is ,right in front of you--in two video's.

So i ask one last time,put forth your argument,and tell us why it is not the alternating magnetic field that is increasing the efficiency,as i have provided proof to the contrary.

Quote
Your eight-pole rotor looks like a four-pole rotor.

Really(see pic below)
And what dose how many poles it has have to do with your question--Quote: I believe that you state in your clip that the rotor has eight magnets alternating north-south-north... facing outwards.  Are you sure about that because your waveforms don't seem to indicate that.

As the frequency has nothing to do with the amount of pole's on the rotor,your question seems to indicate that you did not think the fields were alternating,as the wave form dose not seem to indicate that.

Quote
The magnets are not "increasing efficiency" - try figuring it out by assuming for the sake of argument that I am right.

Unfortunately MH,you are not right--both video's clearly show that it is indeed the magnets that increase the efficiency-->as we changed nothing else.

Quote
Think about it, you are on a forum for energy research and you are deceiving yourself and convincing yourself one more time that "magnets are a source of energy" or "magnets increase efficiency seemingly out of nowhere."


There is no deception MH,none at all. The conditions of the test were set in both test,and when the rotating magnets were removed,the efficiency went down.
Your dam straight the inductor provided the energy needed to spin the rotor,and that rotor with the magnets in it did indeed increase the efficiency of the electrical P/in to P/out ratio.

We'll see how you go on the next video,but for now,tell us what it was(if not the spinning magnets) that increased the efficiency of the DUT in those test condition's.

Brad

 

OneLink