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Author Topic: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System  (Read 46193 times)

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Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« on: December 01, 2015, 07:28:33 PM »
Half of the wheel is in a dry environment while the other half is in a humid environment.  The spores will expand in the humid environment and will contract in the dryer environment.  This causes a mass imbalance of the wheel through evaporation which can do work.

Renewable Energy Through Evaporation

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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2015, 08:53:51 PM »
They get heavy when wet and light when dry, WOW, who would have thought.  Now how do you maintain two environments, one wet and one dry?  Simple just use about 10 times the amount of energy required to turn the wheel to keep pumping moisture into the other half of the device. Easy.  See free energy NOT. 

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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2015, 11:04:05 PM »
Quote from: Nink on December 01, 2015, 08:53:51 PM
They get heavy when wet and light when dry, WOW, who would have thought.  Now how do you maintain two environments, one wet and one dry?  Simple just use about 10 times the amount of energy required to turn the wheel to keep pumping moisture into the other half of the device. Easy.  See free energy NOT.

There is no free energy claim being made here as you falsely assert.  Renewable/Alternative energy  is not the same as free energy (over-unity or perpetual motion).

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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2015, 11:33:53 PM »
Quote from: gravityblock on December 01, 2015, 11:04:05 PM
There is no free energy claim being made here as you falsely assert.  Renewable/Alternative energy  is not the same as free energy (over-unity or perpetual motion).

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My mistake, I thought the premise of an imbalanced wheel (or unbalanced wheel) was that it would continue to rotate without any external energy source input into the system.  I am not sure I see the renewable or alternative energy (is that what you are calling this) occurring just someone spraying mist on one side of a wheel to increase the weight of the strips on that side of the wheel. 
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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2015, 12:34:26 AM »
Quote from: Nink on December 01, 2015, 11:33:53 PM
I am not sure I see the renewable or alternative energy (is that what you are calling this) occurring just someone spraying mist on one side of a wheel to increase the weight of the strips on that side of the wheel.

Columbia University is calling the moisture mill a form of Renewable Energy based on evaporation and I would have to agree with them on this.  Also, nobody is spraying mist on one side of the wheel as you have falsely asserted, once again.

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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2015, 01:52:20 AM »
One pound of dry spores and moisture can lift a car 1 meter off the ground.  These spores expand with a remarkable force that is 1000 times stronger than a human muscle with just a little bit of moisture evaporating off a surface. 

Reference:  Bacterial Spores Harness Evaporation Energy

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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2015, 02:20:52 AM »
Quote from: gravityblock on December 02, 2015, 12:34:26 AM
Columbia University is calling the moisture mill a form of Renewable Energy based on evaporation and I would have to agree with them on this.  Also, nobody is spraying mist on one side of the wheel as you have falsely asserted, once again.

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I have no issues correcting school children.  This is not renewable energy unless the assumption is it only works when it rains.

Mist  https://youtu.be/Vj2kuZm-aCA?t=218



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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2015, 02:53:55 AM »
Quote from: Nink on December 02, 2015, 02:20:52 AM
I have no issues correcting school children.  This is not renewable energy unless the assumption is it only works when it rains.

Mist  https://youtu.be/Vj2kuZm-aCA?t=218

Evaporation is happening all over the planet at all times!  This will work even when it's not raining, unlike wind or solar.  I think nearly everyone here will agree that this is a form of renewable energy and has a much greater potential than solar, wind, etc.

A person isn't spraying mist on one side of the wheel to make the spores heavier as you continue to falsely assert!   What you're seeing in the video is a reservoir being filled with water at the top and center of the wheel (see image below), which supplies the spores with humidity as the wheel rotates.   

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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2015, 03:22:04 AM »
As I originally stated the energy to get the water to the top of the container is 10 x actual energy created.  You have a water wheel and nothing more.
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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2015, 03:44:21 AM »
Quote from: Nink on December 02, 2015, 03:22:04 AM
As I originally stated the energy to get the water to the top of the container is 10 x actual energy created.  You have a water wheel and nothing more.

I think you will have a hard time proving that statement.  You don't know how much water is in the top container.  You don't know how long it will last and you don't know how much torque is being produced.  You are making a lot of remarks about something based only on your apparent dislike of this device.  Deciding the merits of something you only know a little about is not a sign of logical thinking.

I don't have any idea if this will ever be a useful device or not.  But I won't make my decision based on my emotions.  If a device interests me enough I will do  the research on it and then decide if I like the idea or not.

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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2015, 03:51:16 AM »
Quote from: Nink on December 02, 2015, 03:22:04 AM
As I originally stated the energy to get the water to the top of the container is 10 x actual energy created.  You have a water wheel and nothing more.

I disagree with you on this.  The evaporated water from the moisture mill and the moisture in the surrounding air can be recycled by collecting condensation with a WarkaWater Tower that is above the moisture mill in order to refill the water reservoir.  In addition to this, rain water can be collected.  This will run 24/7 without any issues, even in the desert, and can be made self-sustaining if done properly.

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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2015, 10:34:53 AM »
I would also like to add that their is more to this than just a simple mass imbalance of the wheel.  As the spores absorb the humidity on one side of the wheel, it not only causes the spores to become heavier, it also increases the moment arm of the strips as they expand and straighten out, which increases the torque.  On the lighter and dryer side of the wheel, the moment arm of the strips will decrease as they contract and curl back up while losing their moisture content.  Mass imbalance + longer moment arms for the heavier strips than the moment arms of the lighter strips + the WarkaWater Tower = a self-sustained system based on clean and renewable energy.

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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2015, 07:37:25 AM »
According to Sahin, an associate professor of biological sciences and physics at Columbia University, "Water evaporation is the largest power source in nature".  Sahin also said the strips could be seen with the naked eye expanding and contracting when he was inhaling and exhaling.  "If this technology is developed fully, it has a very promising endgame", says Sahin

Reference: Getting a charge from changes in humidity

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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2015, 07:46:48 AM »
Spores are one of the toughest forms of life known and are extremely resistant.  They can survive sub-zero temperatures and boiling water for 5 minutes.  DNA binding proteins saturate the spores and protects them from heat, radiation, and chemicals.

References: Bacterial spores ashraf and Bacterial spore - Wiki

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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2015, 08:00:01 AM »
Breathe Right Nasal Strips could be used to deposit the spores onto.  These strips have an extra "spring-like" band and is 50% stronger than the original.

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