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Author Topic: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?  (Read 126070 times)

Offline ramset

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #255 on: July 07, 2016, 07:15:47 AM »
Miles
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And the pen is mightier than the bench - it is
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Miles
will you put pen to paper and commission a build to show this ?

a simple PDF sent to  a very trusted and qualified builder here to qualify this claim [experiments not needed here the pen is mightier than the bench]

A man of your ilk should be able to meet Brad's challenge in this manner ??
you with the Pen ... He with the Bench ?

But your PDF will be built and tested on another Bench .[post number 245 in this thread]

??

a friendly ..arrangement... conducted honestly and respectfully ?

the details can be worked out with Poynt ?

??


Offline EMJunkie

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #256 on: July 07, 2016, 07:34:46 AM »

Quote: What you are saying is nonsense and I would not be surprised if you are an RMS sock puppet.

And there you go,that is the attitude that gets you into hot water all the time MH.
There is no !Mr nice guy! with you,it's just all out war on those trying to better the world.

It is always the automatic !bullshit! button  with you,when some one presents something that dose not conform to !your! way of doing thing's,or go's against your beliefs.
Thats pretty ironic coming from some one who dose nothing but talk.

You think you have taught me better than what i find through experiment's,then prove it-->how are you going to do that?.
You cant--all you have is words.


Brad.



Hahahaha - I had to have a little giggle at this!


Shhh, MileHigh has WMD's too!!!


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Offline 3Kelvin

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #257 on: July 07, 2016, 08:19:06 AM »
I think, that Robert Murray-Smith try to explain the possibility of the EESD.
Also based on the concept, a car building process is running.
Lets wait a while and than talk about the results.

I can't see a positive moment in cutting down the video into theoretical pieces.

The most of the great scientist had a bench, not only a pen.
Einstein is a exception. But he brought a new concept to our mind.

Only crunching numbers into a well known formula is not really science.
This behavior shows only the ability for "working" with numbers and formulas.

How ever, this number crunching persons can show a positive or negative behavior.
For example, positive is to teach the well known formulas to the community.

Negative is, to flood different forums as the Master TROLL.

The different between positive an negative is a psychological issue.
Perhaps consulting a shrink is a helpful action for all.

This is only my personal view, not a general valid statement.

Regards
Love + Peace
3K

Ps:
Sry for my bad English, try to become better

Offline MileHigh

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #258 on: July 07, 2016, 10:41:07 AM »
Oh, so Mr. "Peace and Love" is calling me a "Master TROLL?"

Is that correct?  So what does that mean?  Does that mean you are not supposed to be curious and ask questions?  Does that mean that you are never supposed to "upset" an "established personality" if you are curious about what they are doing?

Does that mean that you are supposed to be a mindless drone and accept information without thinking?

What is a troll?

Is that somebody that disagrees with me?
Is that somebody that has curiosity?
It that somebody that asks questions?
Is that somebody that dares to think?
Is that somebody that thinks for themselves?

How do you avoid being a troll?

Is that somebody that always agrees with everybody?
Is that somebody that is never curious because that might upset somebody?
It that somebody that never asks questions because that might upset somebody?
Is that somebody that does not dare to think because that might upset somebody?
Is that somebody that does not think for themselves?

To avoid being a troll never ask questions and do not think for yourself.

Is that what you think 3Kelvin?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/hoverboard-recall-battery-1.3666795

About 501,000 hoverboards are being recalled in the United States due to a risk of fire.

The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission said Wednesday there have been at least 99 incidents reported of the lithium-ion battery packs in the hoverboards overheating, sparking, smoking, catching fire and possibly exploding.

The commission said there have been at least 18 reports of injuries, such as burns to the neck, legs or arms. Property damage has also been reported.

The recall covers boards sold by 10 firms. Some of the brands included in the recall include products from Powerboard, Airwalk and iMoto.

Consumers are being told to immediately stop using the recalled products and contact the recalling company to return their board for a full refund, a free repair or a free replacement depending on the model.

The recalled hoverboards were manufactured in China and sold at stores across the U.S. and by online retailers between June 2015 and May 2016 for between $350 and $900 US.


So 3Kelvin, if you don't think and you don't ask questions and you work for some unscrupulous company with poor design and substandard manufacturing processes you could PUT CHILDREN IN DANGER OF SEVERE INJURY.

Just be a drone that does not think 3Kelvin, that is "safe."

Offline tinman

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #259 on: July 07, 2016, 12:07:57 PM »
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Brad:



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And you are still deceiving yourself.  The nonsensical "Edison electric car" does not exist but you won't acknowledge that.  Now you are saying "apparently now voltage leads current in charging a capacitance" with respect to me which is not what I said at all.  I said to you that when you charge a capacitor with a pulse then the concept of current leading or lagging voltage does not apply.  The fact that you would mention the bloody JFET for the 30th time is both sad and comical.  Stop deceiving yourself and others like some hapless spin doctor trapped in a vortex.

 
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and I saw Robert Murry-Smith doing something wrong and I had the conviction to state it.

MileHigh
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Lol

It is funny to watch you MH,and read the things you say.
I once said that you are a hypocrite,and once again you prove me correct.
I mean,take a look at the highlighted. Here you are complaining that i once again mention a mistake you made some time back--what,maybe two months ago?. And here you are,some 10 months later after the fact,still pointing out RMS mistake's ;D

So it is ok for you to keep going on and on about some one's mistake's,but dare not any of us keep referring to,or reminding you of yours ::)
That there is a true hypocrite MH ;)

 
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I yanked you out of your electronics stupor
Get over it.  It turns out that you have been more or less deceiving yourself for years and I brought some reality into the picture for you.  You are benefiting from that, and the more you spin, the more you ultimately hurt yourself.

You give your self far to much credit MH,and in fact,the opposite is true.
Most of what i have learned so far is by way of self teaching's--on the bench.
You say the pen is mightier than the bench lol,when in fact,everything the pen rights down,originated through actual experiments--on the bench.
Trial,error,and observation is the mightiest MH,the pen is only to record what was found.

The one thing you have taught me, is who to listen to,and who not to listen to.

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I am no troll and you should retract your statement.

If you had your way MH,everyone that disagreed with you would have to retract there statements,so i think i'll let mine stay a while :D,as we all know what sort of world chaos the last dictator caused ;)

Brad

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #260 on: July 07, 2016, 12:15:21 PM »
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Oh, so Mr. "Peace and Love" is calling me a "Master TROLL?"

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Is that correct?  So what does that mean?  Does that mean you are not supposed to be curious and ask questions?  Does that mean that you are never supposed to "upset" an "established personality" if you are curious about what they are doing?



What is a troll?

Quote wiki"
In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion,[3] often for their own amusement.


MH
This is you to a T
Im glad i looked that up--cheers


Brad

Offline 3Kelvin

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #261 on: July 07, 2016, 12:27:32 PM »
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Hello together,
Peace and Love to all members and guests of this forum.

At first i have to apologize for my bad English.
I am not interested in arguing with members and / or guests.
My request is only to describe a "negative psychological behavior" at the www.

Lets talk about Master Trolls.

A Master Troll have no content in his own (mirrored) www personality.
At this point i have to prove my statement.

YT Message about the channel is => This channel doesn't have any content
https://www.youtube.com/user/User2718218

So what is the meaning of "doesn't have any content"?
From my personnel view it means a void, emptiness, vacuum etc.

For that reason, it is clear why and how Master Trolls acting in the www.

I think, a good way to integrate the MT is to amplify the positive aspects.
For example the ability to transmit knowledge to the community.

In other words,
dear MT please don't be the pain in the neck.
Try to think and act positive like a master teacher.


Regards
Love+Peace
3K

Offline MileHigh

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #262 on: July 07, 2016, 06:26:30 PM »
Brad:

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It is funny to watch you MH,and read the things you say.
I once said that you are a hypocrite,and once again you prove me correct.
I mean,take a look at the highlighted. Here you are complaining that i once again mention a mistake you made some time back--what,maybe two months ago?. And here you are,some 10 months later after the fact,still pointing out RMS mistake's

Actually Brad, the JFET business is just an example of your irrational response to stress and your intellectual weakness.  And on top of that you are never in a million years going to develop your own circuit around a JFET to get a Joule Thief that works at very low voltages.

On the other hand, making a technically and intellectually dishonest clip where you completely fail to measure the energy in a capacitor, fail to make a conversion to equivalent Lithium-Ion ampere-hours, and grossly exaggerate the amount of energy in your device is a serious issue.  Especially when you represent a company that is pitching higher energy density capacitors.

If you can't make a distinction between the two then you have serious problems.

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You give your self far to much credit MH,and in fact,the opposite is true.
Most of what i have learned so far is by way of self teaching's--on the bench.

No, what i am saying is absolutely true.  I woke you up out of your electronics stupor.  For the last six years you have been building pulse motors and watching them spin and you weren't really progressing at all.  It was more or less stagnation, doing the same or similar things over and over and barely leaning anything new.

The pen is indeed mightier than the bench.

MileHigh

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #263 on: July 07, 2016, 06:39:01 PM »
Brad:

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Quote wiki"
In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion,[3] often for their own amusement.

MH
This is you to a T
Im glad i looked that up--cheers

I start discussions to talk about technical issues.  I don't upset people by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages.  I post messages that are on-topic and sometimes those messages may challenge someone's beliefs or they may challenge how they interpret their setup.

It's an intellectual and technical coward that says, "Boo! Hoo!  You are saying something about my pulse motor that I don't understand or I disagree with so you are a troll!!"

I don't deliberately try to provoke readers into an emotional response.  I simply make my points and if you get all emotional because you don't understand what resonance actually is and you are incapable of explaining what it is and how it works and that gets you all upset, that is your problem, not mine.  There is no deliberate intent to provoke readers into an emotional response, none.

Then there is always the act of descending into the abyss of moral bankruptcy and saying, "Boo! Hoo!  Anybody that disagrees with me is a troll!"

So you better put your brain in gear Brad and read the definition again and actually understand it this time.

MileHigh

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #264 on: July 07, 2016, 06:43:20 PM »
-OT-
Hello together,
Peace and Love to all members and guests of this forum.

At first i have to apologize for my bad English.
I am not interested in arguing with members and / or guests.
My request is only to describe a "negative psychological behavior" at the www.

In other words,
dear MT please don't be the pain in the neck.
Try to think and act positive like a master teacher.

Regards
Love+Peace
3K

Mr. 3K:

You need to "love and peace" your brain into gear and start using your critical thinking skills.  Don't be a pain in the ass.

Love and peace for positive thought and intellectual honesty.

Work on improving your intellectual honesty.

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #265 on: July 08, 2016, 01:40:05 AM »
Brad:











MileHigh

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Actually Brad, the JFET business is just an example of your irrational response to stress and your intellectual weakness.

Come now MH--do unto other's as you would have them do unto you.
If you dont like others dragging up your mistakes all the time,then dont drag up others mistakes all the time. :D

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  And on top of that you are never in a million years going to develop your own circuit around a JFET to get a Joule Thief that works at very low voltages.

Lol-really ?

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On the other hand, making a technically and intellectually dishonest clip where you completely fail to measure the energy in a capacitor, fail to make a conversion to equivalent Lithium-Ion ampere-hours, and grossly exaggerate the amount of energy in your device is a serious issue.  Especially when you represent a company that is pitching higher energy density capacitors.

Holly snapping duck sh-t batman,call the hit squad.

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If you can't make a distinction between the two then you have serious problems.

There is no difference MH
You made a mistake,and you hate others bringing it up time and time again.
RMS made a mistake,and your happy wollowing on about it almost a year later,much the same as you do in regards to EMJ and Wattsup not being able to answer your ideal coil question.

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No, what i am saying is absolutely true.  I woke you up out of your electronics stupor.  For the last six years you have been building pulse motors and watching them spin and you weren't really progressing at all.  It was more or less stagnation, doing the same or similar things over and over and barely leaning anything new.

How many pulse motors have you built again MH?--or a JT even?
Could you throw up a pic of that electromagnet you built some time back now--i cant seem to find the picture--just so as we can see some of your !hands on! bench skills ;)

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The pen is indeed mightier than the bench.

Well i hope you put that pen to good use soon ;)

I remember NASA spending a shit load of money developing a pen that would work in space,while the Russian's just decided to use a pencil ;D


Brad

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #266 on: July 08, 2016, 02:04:54 AM »
Brad:

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Come now MH--do unto other's as you would have them do unto you.
If you dont like others dragging up your mistakes all the time,then dont drag up others mistakes all the time.

Oh come now Brad, there are probably about 500 errors that you have made that are akin to my "JFET error" so should we start that thread and start filling it up?

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Lol-really ?

Yes really.  I think the chances of you designing a Joule Thief circuit that uses a JFET are very close to zero.

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Holly snapping duck sh-t batman,call the hit squad.

That's it, just be a mindless RMS drone and cheer him on when he does something that is so outrageous that a 12-year-old would recognize it as being completely wrong.  Be a good mindless drone and be inferior to a budding 12-year-old that is interested in electronics.  While you are at it why don't you send $6660 AUD to Hope Girl and buy yourself a QEG.

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There is no difference MH

There is a difference, put your brain in gear.

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Could you throw up a pic of that electromagnet you built some time back now

Second time you mention that and I think it's a scrambled brains ricochet in your head.  I never showed a pic of an electromagnet.

You are selling yourself out and you are coward when you can't say that RMS did something seriously wrong.

But hey, perhaps we should not be surprised.   We have this clip from you:

"Triphene Super Cap 2600 Farads in half of a credit card."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvBckUkjEfM

Your claim is total bullshit Brad.  You caught the RMS disease.  You make a bullshit claim that you have made a 2600 Farad supercapacitor and it's not even remotely close to 2600 Farads.  You just "say it" and do no serious measurements on the device.  You are in the same morally bankrupt boat as RMS.  It was just a case of monkey-see-monkey-do.

MileHigh

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #267 on: July 08, 2016, 02:25:29 AM »
Here, Brad, here is what I said to you on your YouTube channel 10 months ago:

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Brad, supercapacitors are a fascinating subject and I looked at a few of Robert Murray-Smith's clips and I only looked at this only one clip of yours about supercaps.  I am going to discuss measurement issues, and I know that I am flying mostly blind here so I am asking you to be understanding because of that.

You are building caps so measurements are king here.  You put "2600 Farads" in your clip title, but in this clip you say you still haven't measured the actual capacity.  You need to be conservative by only claiming a capacitance value for what you have actually measured.

Just doing some preliminary paper napkin calculations that are not 100% legit and over simplified the numbers don't seem to add up.

1.7 volts at 2600 farads is 3757 Joules of energy stored in the cap. You talk about three minutes charging time in your clip.  3757 Joules over 180 seconds gives you an average of 20.9 watts to charge a 2600 farad cap to 1.7 volts in three minutes.  (I am really cheating here almost pretending the cap is like a resistor)

However, you say the cap is limited to 100 mA charging current.  If you have a voltage source of 1.7 volts supplying 100 mA that's 0.17 watts average charging power.  (Again, for a cap this does not truly make sense, it's just for illustrative purposes.)

I will put it this way:  If you have a discharged cap, and you set your power supply to 1.7 volts, and you measure 100 mA when the charging process starts, and it takes approximately 3 minutes to see the charging current drop to nearly zero telling you that the supercap is fully charged, then there is no way that your supercap is even close to 2600 farads.

Does this all make sense to you?  If the cap was truly 2600 farads you would have to be putting an average of 20 watts into the cap for three minutes to charge it, and your charging power starts at 0.17 watts and ends at nearly zero watts three minutes later.  So if I am more or less on track, then you can see there is a major problem.

And that suggests a challenge for you:  Develop a way to make a serious measurement of the capacitance of the supercapacitors you are making. You have to go beyond anecdotal "measurements" where you quote how long the supercap can run a motor.

I think it's great what you are doing, but you need to develop a serious measurement protocol that actually measures the capacitance properly.
>>>

You did not respond to my posting.  Your capacitor claim is just fantasy BSing.  You can do better than that.

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #268 on: July 08, 2016, 06:50:14 AM »
Brad:

Oh come now Brad, there are probably about 500 errors that you have made that are akin to my "JFET error" so should we start that thread and start filling it up?

Yes really.  I think the chances of you designing a Joule Thief circuit that uses a JFET are very close to zero.

That's it, just be a mindless RMS drone and cheer him on when he does something that is so outrageous that a 12-year-old would recognize it as being completely wrong.  Be a good mindless drone and be inferior to a budding 12-year-old that is interested in electronics.  While you are at it why don't you send $6660 AUD to Hope Girl and buy yourself a QEG.

There is a difference, put your brain in gear.

Second time you mention that and I think it's a scrambled brains ricochet in your head.  I never showed a pic of an electromagnet.

You are selling yourself out and you are coward when you can't say that RMS did something seriously wrong.

But hey, perhaps we should not be surprised.   We have this clip from you:

"Triphene Super Cap 2600 Farads in half of a credit card."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvBckUkjEfM

Your claim is total bullshit Brad.  You caught the RMS disease.  You make a bullshit claim that you have made a 2600 Farad supercapacitor and it's not even remotely close to 2600 Farads.  You just "say it" and do no serious measurements on the device.  You are in the same morally bankrupt boat as RMS.  It was just a case of monkey-see-monkey-do.

MileHigh

Dear MH.

Might i suggest that you go and read my comments on RMS video's.
Once you have done that,then you may come back and apologise  for calling me a coward,because you think that i didnt have the guts to tell RMS that his measurements were in error.

Brad.

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #269 on: July 08, 2016, 06:57:06 AM »
Here, Brad, here is what I said to you on your YouTube channel 10 months ago:

<<<
Brad, supercapacitors are a fascinating subject and I looked at a few of Robert Murray-Smith's clips and I only looked at this only one clip of yours about supercaps.  I am going to discuss measurement issues, and I know that I am flying mostly blind here so I am asking you to be understanding because of that.

You are building caps so measurements are king here.  You put "2600 Farads" in your clip title, but in this clip you say you still haven't measured the actual capacity.  You need to be conservative by only claiming a capacitance value for what you have actually measured.

Just doing some preliminary paper napkin calculations that are not 100% legit and over simplified the numbers don't seem to add up.

1.7 volts at 2600 farads is 3757 Joules of energy stored in the cap. You talk about three minutes charging time in your clip.  3757 Joules over 180 seconds gives you an average of 20.9 watts to charge a 2600 farad cap to 1.7 volts in three minutes.  (I am really cheating here almost pretending the cap is like a resistor)

However, you say the cap is limited to 100 mA charging current.  If you have a voltage source of 1.7 volts supplying 100 mA that's 0.17 watts average charging power.  (Again, for a cap this does not truly make sense, it's just for illustrative purposes.)

I will put it this way:  If you have a discharged cap, and you set your power supply to 1.7 volts, and you measure 100 mA when the charging process starts, and it takes approximately 3 minutes to see the charging current drop to nearly zero telling you that the supercap is fully charged, then there is no way that your supercap is even close to 2600 farads.

Does this all make sense to you?  If the cap was truly 2600 farads you would have to be putting an average of 20 watts into the cap for three minutes to charge it, and your charging power starts at 0.17 watts and ends at nearly zero watts three minutes later.  So if I am more or less on track, then you can see there is a major problem.

And that suggests a challenge for you:  Develop a way to make a serious measurement of the capacitance of the supercapacitors you are making. You have to go beyond anecdotal "measurements" where you quote how long the supercap can run a motor.

I think it's great what you are doing, but you need to develop a serious measurement protocol that actually measures the capacitance properly.
>>>

You did not respond to my posting.  Your capacitor claim is just fantasy BSing.  You can do better than that.

Ah,so you have made the assumption  that i fully charged the cap.
Another outstanding job there MH-you should become a clairvoyant.
I mean hell-even i didnt know i had fully charged the cap for the video demo--your good MH


Brad