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Author Topic: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?  (Read 125090 times)

Offline seychelles

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #225 on: December 17, 2015, 01:48:17 AM »
i am sorry for bringing this up because it has nothing to do with this subject.
but the truth is too hard to bear sometime..

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #226 on: December 17, 2015, 03:14:44 AM »
The direction is not good. The cause is natural, exacerbated by human pollutants.

Natural cooling and heating has always been happening. In 2015, those that don't know by now that we are helping to tip the scale in a negative way making it more difficult for the natural balances to occur, never will know.

Climate change, I think we all get this, but mass die offs with dozens of species in a given area is a little hard to deal with.  It is 16th of December, I live in Canada and I am walking around in a tshirt when I am normally wearing multiple layers, hats and gloves at this time of year, I am still driving on my summer slicks and we are planning a BBQ for Christmas.

We are way off topic now and as long as Oil is < $40 a barrel any implementations of known  green technology such as Wind / Solar / Wave / Tidal / Osmotic etc will  not have an ROI let alone people investing in Next Generation Graphene Super Batteries.

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #227 on: February 26, 2016, 03:42:17 AM »

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #228 on: February 26, 2016, 04:48:15 AM »
The major capacitor manufacturers are not asleep, so who knows what will happen in the long run.  Dishing out hyperbole does not get you any Brownie points in my book.  The other thing that "freaks me out" is that the senior technical officer mixes up the terms energy and power in a five minute video clip about half a dozen times.

Look at this YouTube comment from the clip:  "Guess who just brought 500 dollars of your company stock? THIS GUY, don't let me down Robert I believe in you! this will change the world!"

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #229 on: February 26, 2016, 05:28:01 AM »
I am curious why we don't want to weigh the entire supercapicitor we just weigh the grafoil before and after you wipe off "the active material" and assume the delta is the weight of the material responsible for storing energy. Also curious why we don't weigh the grafoil before the activated carbon is applied only after we wipe off the activated carbon.   

I am guessing the assumption is that grafoil does not play any part in the energy storage process it is merely a conductor that was used instead of some other type of conductive foil because he likes using heavy thick expensive carbon based materials that don't play a part in the energy storage process versus cheap aluminum foil.

The only thing that is responsible for energy storage in this supercapitor is apparently the activated carbon and not the actual carbon based foil.  If you watch the previous video a demonstration of a dip coated activated carbon on grafoil is shown to be a better supercap than a thermally reduced graphene oxide drop coated grafoil.  This I guess was done to demonstrate that the grafoil has no part in the process.

Is this actually the case ?

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #230 on: February 27, 2016, 05:14:38 PM »
RMS is on Zerofossilfuel  at 3pm eastern time today with an open Q&A.   should be interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/user/ZeroFossilFuel

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #231 on: July 06, 2016, 01:39:19 AM »
I am going to close the loop on Robert Murray-Smith.  Much to my surprise he made a clip about me on his YouTube channel alleging that I am a troll:

"On User2718218 A Troll And What To Do About Him"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrvRAjq3h1g

Here is my response that was posted on his clip that nobody could see:

<<<
So I watched the clip Robert and it's a fake sales pitch alleging that I
 am a troll.  I will explain why, but you know the reason why already. 
Every contact that I made with you was about the technical merits, or
lack of merits, in the few clips of yours that I engaged with you on. 
You made some clips stating that you made these huge home-brew
supercapacitors with allegedly insanely high energy densities but you
offered up NO CREDIBLE MEASUREMENTS.  You risked damaging one of your
supercapacitors by shorting it to a voltage source that was much higher
than the breakdown of your capacitor like a rank amateur and I told you
that for your own good.  And then finally we have the two infamous
clips, where in one of them YOU MEASURE THE CURRENT BUT YOU DO NOT
MEASURE THE VOLTAGE WHICH IS INSANE.  In the other one you make a
 ridiculously inaccurate measurement of the active ingredient in the
Lithium battery by being at the absolute bottom of the range of the
digital scale.

And what have you had to say about my technical
comments?  NOTHING, you ignored them because you have NO TECHNICAL
REBUTTAL.  All that you could do was insult me like a chav.  In that
sense, YOU are the troll, and you still INTENTIONALLY IGNORE the
technical stuff because I am bloody well right about the technical stuff
 and you know it.  Your clip about me is a fake sales pitch because I
exposed your technical junk that anybody with a decent understanding of
tech would recognize as JUNK.
>>>

His clip alleging that I am a troll is junk.  Every time I engaged with him it was about him demonstrating bad electronics practices, or making grossly inaccurate measurements and arriving at false conclusions.  The worst engagement with him was when Robert made a ridiculous measurement mistake that an educated 12-year-old doing a science fair project would not make.  How can a fully grown man with a PhD make a mistake measuring the energy in a capacitor that an enthusiastic 12-year-old would not make?

MileHigh

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #232 on: July 06, 2016, 01:41:38 AM »
Just one more noteworthy thing.  Robert has a PhD.  He wrote his PHD Thesis Titled: Dynamic simulations of carbons and carbon composite materials at Southhampton University in 1989.  I am assuming that we are supposed to assume that he has a scientific background and education?

Look at this tidbit from the YouTube comments on his clip about me:

There is some speculation about my YouTube handle in the comments, "User2718218," and Robert has no idea where it may have come from, then this:

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Joel Bondurant:  eulers number e, the base of the natural logarithm is 2.718281828459045...
Robert Murray-Smith:  well there we go - that's where he got it
>>>

So are we supposed to assume that RMS is a "big science guy with a PhD" and yet he doesn't even recognize a number that is very close to Euler's number, which is the base of the natural logarithm!!!  The number "e" is used in science and engineering all the time and you simply can not live without that number.  HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT ROBERT MURRAY-SMITH DID NOT KNOW THIS? ???  Does anybody smell something fishy?

MileHigh
« Last Edit: July 06, 2016, 04:11:26 AM by MileHigh »

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #233 on: July 06, 2016, 06:10:21 AM »
Just one more noteworthy thing.  Robert has a PhD.  He wrote his PHD Thesis Titled: Dynamic simulations of carbons and carbon composite materials at Southhampton University in 1989.  I am assuming that we are supposed to assume that he has a scientific background and education?

Look at this tidbit from the YouTube comments on his clip about me:

There is some speculation about my YouTube handle in the comments, "User2718218," and Robert has no idea where it may have come from, then this:

<<<
Joel Bondurant:  eulers number e, the base of the natural logarithm is 2.718281828459045...
Robert Murray-Smith:  well there we go - that's where he got it
>>>

So are we supposed to assume that RMS is a "big science guy with a PhD" and yet he doesn't even recognize a number that is very close to Euler's number, which is the base of the natural logarithm!!!  The number "e" is used in science and engineering all the time and you simply can not live without that number.  HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT ROBERT MURRAY-SMITH DID NOT KNOW THIS? ???  Does anybody smell something fishy?

MileHigh

I would have to say RMS is correct--you are a troll MH.
You troll peoples work and videos,until you find something you think is incorrect. You then go out of your way to make a big song and dance about it--even though it has nothing what so ever to do with you.

RMS is far more successful  than you have ever been,and his latest venture (the Edison electric car)just proves he knows his stuff.

So that is you MH, you are actually a troll. We have seen you act in such a manor in countless threads on this forum-time and time again,and not once have you lifted a finger to show any type of experimenting  your self.

So that is what you do--you browse  through other peoples work, looking for your chance to pounce.
This is trolling MH--you are a troll.


Brad

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #234 on: July 06, 2016, 06:33:55 AM »
Brad:

You are FOS, 100%.  You are still in a state of shock because you have been given the real deal by me and it has therefore slanted what you say about me.  On the Joule Thief thread you almost went nuts because of it.

You can't deal with what I say above, and the ironic twist is when I first mentioned to you that RMS did something unbelievable you agreed with me - he discharged a capacitor and measured the current but did not measure the voltage to measure the so-called "energy" in the capacitor.   You agreed with me that that was ridiculous and went and posted on his YouTube clip to that effect.

I am no troll, and there is no such thing as the "Edison Electric car," by Edison Power and Sunvault Energy, it's preposterous nonsense.  You clearly don't know how to qualify a company, and I do.

http://www.sunvaultenergy.com/sunvault-energy-and-edison-power-company-to-build-electric-supercar/

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The car is expected to be ready by the first quarter of 2016 and is expected to do zero to sixty in 2.0 to 2.2 seconds and be rechargeable in 5 minutes

My ass, it's total horseshit, just like what you are saying about me is total horseshit.

So you need to get over the chip on your shoulder and if this is your hobby, then work at it.  You have learned more about electronics in the past three months than you learned in the past six years and you damn well know it.  And I am one of the primary reasons for that happening.

MileHigh

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #235 on: July 06, 2016, 06:42:33 AM »
I second Brad ;)

The hat fits MH, like it or not... can we all be wrong?   I'm sure you think so and will argue the point.

Just carry on with another of your youtube accounts.

I can only think of 2 reasons to troll, personal entertainment or profit. Only you know which

Luc

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #236 on: July 06, 2016, 06:59:18 AM »
I am going to close the loop on Robert Murray-Smith.  Much to my surprise he made a clip about me on his YouTube channel alleging that I am a troll:

"On User2718218 A Troll And What To Do About Him"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrvRAjq3h1g

Here is my response that was posted on his clip that nobody could see:

<<<
So I watched the clip Robert and it's a fake sales pitch alleging that I
 am a troll.  I will explain why, but you know the reason why already. 
Every contact that I made with you was about the technical merits, or
lack of merits, in the few clips of yours that I engaged with you on. 
You made some clips stating that you made these huge home-brew
supercapacitors with allegedly insanely high energy densities but you
offered up NO CREDIBLE MEASUREMENTS.  You risked damaging one of your
supercapacitors by shorting it to a voltage source that was much higher
than the breakdown of your capacitor like a rank amateur and I told you
that for your own good.  And then finally we have the two infamous
clips, where in one of them YOU MEASURE THE CURRENT BUT YOU DO NOT
MEASURE THE VOLTAGE WHICH IS INSANE.  In the other one you make a
 ridiculously inaccurate measurement of the active ingredient in the
Lithium battery by being at the absolute bottom of the range of the
digital scale.

And what have you had to say about my technical
comments?  NOTHING, you ignored them because you have NO TECHNICAL
REBUTTAL.  All that you could do was insult me like a chav.  In that
sense, YOU are the troll, and you still INTENTIONALLY IGNORE the
technical stuff because I am bloody well right about the technical stuff
 and you know it.  Your clip about me is a fake sales pitch because I
exposed your technical junk that anybody with a decent understanding of
tech would recognize as JUNK.
>>>

His clip alleging that I am a troll is junk.  Every time I engaged with him it was about him demonstrating bad electronics practices, or making grossly inaccurate measurements and arriving at false conclusions.  The worst engagement with him was when Robert made a ridiculous measurement mistake that an educated 12-year-old doing a science fair project would not make.  How can a fully grown man with a PhD make a mistake measuring the energy in a capacitor that an enthusiastic 12-year-old would not make?

MileHigh


You're such a troll :) 
How is his system of power measurement not exactly what digital systems do? 


You dislike that he's measuring with 0 resistance instead of infinite resistance?  (with an amp meter vs a volt meter)
the resistance is known; it's therefore known what the voltage is at any point you know the current.


can't imagine what you actually started with to be called out :) 


Some other comments from user?

They do allow you to type single long comments now on youtube...?

Edit - cuz I can...

Oh just because you're sharing information doesn't mean what they are learning that involves the same information is actually coming from you?  It could be synchronicity?  And certainly you can't make a horse drink.

maybe a better view of user27....  

You've got the gift of gab don't you?  Somehow you find the longest way to put the fewest words together?  Maybe they become numb like glancing over paragraphs in a book that drones on? *shrug*  Just taking shots in the dark, nothing personal, I don't even know you.

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #237 on: July 06, 2016, 07:00:32 AM »
Luc:

I am not near mindless mush like you when it comes to evaluating what someone is presenting.

Robert Murray-Smith goes to measure the "energy" in a capacitor and he measures the current only and ignores the voltage.  That would be a FAIL in a grade six science fair project.

Let's just imagine two hypothetical conversations, you and Robert and me and Robert.

---

Luc:  Wow Robert, that's really interesting and you are taking an interesting and different approach.  Thanks for sharing.
RMS:  Thanks mate.

----

Me:  Robert, it doesn't make sense that you measured the current only and didn't measure the voltage.
RMS:  You are an idiot.

----

I have the moral high ground Luc and I am no troll.  Kiss my ass with both of your ridiculous allegations about me.  I have a spine and I told RMS to his face that he was making mistakes, and he made several.  He couldn't take it because he was used to his bunch of non-technical YouTube sycophants gobbling up whatever he was saying even if it didn't make sense.  RMS deleted all of his comments to me because more that half of them were just stupid insults and he never once engaged with me on the legitimate technical points I was making with him.  He didn't engage because he CAN'T - he was wrong.

So you can go sulk in a corner because with respect to RMS I have the moral high ground.  I was doing something that was morally right by approaching him and questioning him.  You trying to go after me is just a failure of your own morality.

MileHigh
« Last Edit: July 06, 2016, 03:28:07 PM by MileHigh »

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #238 on: July 06, 2016, 07:08:24 AM »

You're such a troll :) 
How is his system of power measurement not exactly what digital systems do? 

You dislike that he's measuring with 0 resistance instead of infinite resistance?  (with an amp meter vs a volt meter)
the resistance is known; it's therefore known what the voltage is at any point you know the current.

can't imagine what you actually started with to be called out :) 


Some other comments from user?

They do allow you to type single long comments now on youtube...?

Edit - cuz I can...

Oh just because you're sharing information doesn't mean what they are learning that involves the same information is actually coming from you?  It could be synchronicity?  And certainly you can't make a horse drink.

No I am not a troll.   Your comments about the measurement issue make no sense at all.

RMS did a long slow discharge of one of his devices to supposedly measure the energy in the device.  He measured the current flow and the time increments but he ignored the decreasing voltage during the discharge.  Like I said, a smart 12-year-old that was doing a science fair project about measuring the energy in a capacitor would not make that mistake.

Now, do you have the moral courage and the personal integrity to say his measurement was wrong, or not?

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #239 on: July 06, 2016, 07:09:09 AM »
No I am not a troll.   Your comments about the measurement issue make no sense at all.

RMS did a long slow discharge of one of his devices to supposedly measure the energy in the device.  He measured the current flow and the time increments but he ignored the decreasing voltage during the discharge.  Like I said, a smart 12-year-old that was doing a science fair project about measuring the energy in a capacitor would not make that mistake.

Now, do you have the moral courage and the personal integrity to say his measurement was wrong, or not?


Ended after several edits with...

You've got the gift of gab don't you?  Somehow you find the longest way to put the fewest words together?  Maybe they become numb like glancing over paragraphs in a book that drones on? *shrug*  Just taking shots in the dark, nothing personal, I don't even know you.[/size]


*Shrug*


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Edit : Uhmm... he takes the high current and high voltage and low current and low voltage and makes a trapazoid and yes it's a better guess because there is a dip in the middle... but with just a few subdivisions it's pretty close to the integral even minus a chunk, which is missing less in that sum than what he's chopping off the end of it would fill....