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Author Topic: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?  (Read 125085 times)

Offline MileHigh

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #210 on: December 10, 2015, 11:26:54 PM »
Well, it's a double-edged sword, isn't it?  If there was no profit incentive then there would be no Internet, no cell phones, no flat screen TVs, no GPS, no wireless data, no online forums, no ability to call 911 if your car breaks down and you are stranded, no ultrasound scanners, no CAT scanners, no MRI scanners, no ability to collaborate with your peers in real time all around the world, no free online access to knowledge, no iPads, no iPods, no digital video compression, no mp3 music, no fiber infrastructure for transmitting high-bandwidth data, no home PCs, no four-terrabyte hard drives, no digital photography, and tens of thousands of other things that people take for granted every day.

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #211 on: December 11, 2015, 12:05:20 AM »
Well, it's a double-edged sword, isn't it?...
It sure is and the blade is sharper on the side of greed/profit. Just don't get suckered into the "save the planet" marketing scheme is all I'm saying.

If they want to cut emissions we could do it now. He has a video where they talk about the millions that already don't have access to basic electricity and water. That will not change as there is no profit in helping poor people. Clean energy will help slow down the destruction a little but not stop it. Cleaner energy will be spent on barges like the 5 hours energy billionaire wants to do in order to suck our oceans dry with desalinization devices to satisfy human consumption. Without population control we only exchange one environmental disaster for another.

China slowed down the rotation of this planet with their huge dam and I'm sure ours haven't helped. I'm not surprised the earths magnetic field had gotten weaker. Slow down a dynamo, which the earth is, and something funky just might happen. Last I heard, if you slow down a dynamo, they don't put out as much electricity/magnetic field. And the damn thing only provides 1.7% of china's energy demand which is pointless.

From ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Gorges_Dam )...
"The dam was expected to provide 10% of China's power. However, electricity demand has increased more quickly than previously projected. Even fully operational, on average, it supports only about 1.7% of electricity demand in China in the year of 2011, when the Chinese electricity demand reached 4692.8 TWh"
 

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #212 on: December 11, 2015, 12:42:01 AM »
You need to rethink desalination plants.  If they can be powered with clean energy then they will have zero negative impact and only a positive impact.  You can turn the desert into arable land.  There will be no problem with "sucking the oceans dry," even if you have 2000 desalination plants working, that's the part you need to rethink.

A billionaire like Bill Gates looks for balance.  He expects a return on some of his investments, and on other speculative investments or simply giving away money he does not expect a return.  I am sure many of the renewable or clean energy projects will fail to produce results, others will.

The outlook for the future is positive.  We have technical problems that can be solved and the world slowly but surely is transitioning to clean and renewable energy.  People in the Third World want access to the same energy that people in the West take for granted.  With the right technologies that can take place without destroying the planet.

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #213 on: December 11, 2015, 03:26:34 AM »
These barges or what ever is floating in the sea will be powered by gas guzzlers just as they are now for the forseable future. There is already detectable levels of murcury in the ocean, enough to make you think twice before eating tuna, but thousands of barges in the ocean won't make polution worse?

A billionaire like Bill Gates gets a lot more than just a return on his investments.

We are 10 years into a global drought with no foreseeable end. Global fresh ground water is all but gone. Over population that no one is going to stop. The earths magnetic field is getting weaker and may not just be the result of a flip. Yah, we got some technical problems all right.

I'm sure people in the Third World may want access to the same energy that people in the West take for granted. The west is spoiled and consumes much more than others in terms of its population. Giving the same gluttony to third world countries doesn't exactly help the situation.

But then again overunity doesn't exist. You can't get more out of a system then you put into it. We have all been shown a magnet doing work to help make a rotating motor more efficient yet the magnet is said to be doing no work. Overunity doesn't exist and the future is bright? Up is down I guess. Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

P.S.- On an unrelated note I thought I might mention that any cloud cover over the L.A. area has been a noticeable red color for at least a few months now which I have never seen before. Sometimes a little faint like tonight and other times unmistakably red. Red as in a redish pink color and it's way past sun down. I'm sure it's a minor technical issue :o

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #214 on: December 11, 2015, 04:27:58 AM »
Let's imagine the year is 2035.  Suppose you have flat desert with a lot of sun and very little rain very close to the ocean shoreline.  There are many places in the world like that.  You have cheap and efficient solar cells.  You have a giant machine that takes a giant spool of solar cell panels, like a big rolled up carpet, and just lays it on the desert floor.  Work crews do a minimal amount of support work to connect cables and stuff like that as the giant machine lays the carpet of solar cells out on the desert floor.  The giant spools of solar panels are made in a factory and then delivered in the cargo holds of ocean-going supertankers or on super container ships.  Imagine over an area of say five square kilometers you lay down a carpet of solar panels.  Imagine that say 60% of the surface is solar panels when you factor in all other surface overhead.  So that means you have three square kilometers of solar panels.  The philosophy is to make a relatively low tech dumb solar cell farm with no solar tracking, no energy storage, very low maintenance, etc.  However, you have a very very large array of solar panels.

All of that power is fed to a water desalination plant on the ocean shoreline.  I am not going to crunch the numbers, but I wonder how much fresh water could be produced with a setup like that.  Enough to supply water to a population of 100,000?  500,000?

Don't be surprised if mega engineering projects like that happen over the next 25 years.  You have to think big and stay positive.

Personally I don't give much credence to global drought/global warming/global cooling, etc, etc.  The media is way too hysterical when it comes to things like that.  There was a "mini ice age" in the 19th century and we are all still here.

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #215 on: December 11, 2015, 06:43:12 AM »
...Personally I don't give much credence to global drought/global warming/global cooling, etc, etc.  The media is way too hysterical when it comes to things like that.  There was a "mini ice age" in the 19th century and we are all still here.
20 years ago global warming was a figment of our imagination and now it's a technical problem. I guess that's progress but it's that slooooow progress that worries me. I haven't heard the media say hardly a thing about the global water shortage. I've heard some about the local water shortage and how we can only water our lawns twice a week now but that's about it. I found out about the global scale of it on my own and came to the conclusion it's a little more than a technical problem. Google NASA and global water shortage and you'll get a few hits that seems factual.

Here's just one...
https://www.rt.com/news/202311-nasa-drought-world-groundwater/

“Vanishing groundwater will translate to major declines in agricultural productivity and energy production, with the potential for skyrocketing food prices and profound economic and political ramifications.” from  James Famiglietti, a leading hydrologist at JPL.

...There was a "mini ice age" in the 19th century and we are all still here.
Climate change is a technical issue and a mini ice age is not a big deal? A lot more people are on this planet now then there were during the 19th century and a lot more would die in such an ice age. Would be nice if we could help prevent it or slow it down instead of helping it along like we have been doing. Not much else to say other than that's exactly the kind of sloooow thinking that helped get us here in the first place. I suppose it's better than the other 90% that don't think at all except for wondering what the next I-phone is going to look like. Hope they start rolling out those mega solar panel arrays of yours soon. We needed them yesterday.

As for the EESD, I hope it works out or we at least learn from it.


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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #216 on: December 12, 2015, 05:18:12 AM »
If you recall, perhaps two years ago people were talking about "peak oil" and oil was perhaps $100 a barrel.  The "commonly accepted knowledge" was that oil would remain above $100 a barrel for five or ten years or more, and it might even hit $150 or $200 a barrel.  Everybody "knew" this.  Now oil is $35 a barrel.

Many predictions related to climate change from 10 or 15 years ago that the "commonly accepted knowledge" said were going to occur in fact never happened.  The antarctic ice sheet is very large right now.   In my opinion you need at least 100 years worth of climate data to say there is a definitive trend.  The reason for this is that the Earth is so massive, it simply takes very long time scales to be sure you are really seeing a trend.

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #217 on: December 12, 2015, 05:33:01 AM »
If you recall, perhaps two years ago people were talking about "peak oil" and oil was perhaps $100 a barrel.  The "commonly accepted knowledge" was that oil would remain above $100 a barrel for five or ten years or more, and it might even hit $150 or $200 a barrel.  Everybody "knew" this.  Now oil is $35 a barrel.

Many predictions related to climate change from 10 or 15 years ago that the "commonly accepted knowledge" said were going to occur in fact never happened.  The antarctic ice sheet is very large right now.   In my opinion you need at least 100 years worth of climate data to say there is a definitive trend.  The reason for this is that the Earth is so massive, it simply takes very long time scales to be sure you are really seeing a trend.
Even 100 years could be short if there's 40 year cycles...
https://youtu.be/QiM_gLRIuGc?t=37m17s (from 37:17 to 38:20 or so don't really need to see the whole hour)

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #218 on: December 12, 2015, 09:35:27 AM »
...Everybody "knew" this.  Now oil is $35 a barrel.

Many predictions related to climate change from 10 or 15 years ago that the "commonly accepted knowledge" said were going to occur in fact never happened.  The antarctic ice sheet is very large right now.   In my opinion you need at least 100 years worth of climate data to say there is a definitive trend.  The reason for this is that the Earth is so massive, it simply takes very long time scales to be sure you are really seeing a trend.
The oil price is down thanks to fracking or it would be high. We need a hundred years of data but that NASA link I posted shows the water table going from green to red in just 12 years? Government red tape is great at wasting years and millions of $ on studies that tell us what a child could figure out. I don't think rising sea levels are a disputable prediction anymore. If we can affect the worlds rotation for just 1.7% of a cities energy needs, I'd like to think we are capable of doing a hell of a lot more to affect this planet in a positive way than we currently are. I hope you are right but I just don't see it.

I hope to do my part soon in crushing up some Graphene and seeing how much unicorn energy can be pulled out of this place.

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #219 on: December 16, 2015, 06:46:00 AM »
Final comments on Robert Murray Smith's stuff.  I finally managed to watch his second long clip.

This is the offending clip where he fails to measure the energy per unit of weight in his device by making the outrageous error of not multiplying the voltage times the current times the time to calculate the energy in his B type EESD device.

A Perspective On The B Type EESD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-aOPQ9_MyM

One day later, he makes this clip:

A Perspective On The C type EESD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cDvzuP72Ac

He claims victory in this clip but I am not so sure, but I haven't watched all of his videos.  My preliminary feeling is that the "C type EESD" is much closer to a chemical battery than it is to a capacitor.  If that's true, then he is comparing a chemical battery to a capacitor which is not fair.

In this second clip he encourages the viewers to multiply voltage times current times the time to calculate the energy in his C type EESD device.

So the man makes what amounts to a 180-degree about face between his "retarded" B Type EESD clip (where he proves nothing to back up his claim) and his "sensible" (but possibly skewed battery-capacitor comparison) C type EESD clip.

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #220 on: December 16, 2015, 02:32:18 PM »
YES milehigh i did not want to beleave  in global warming and all that JAZZ.
UNTIL THIS YEAR I WAS in THE SEYCHELLES ISLANDS RIGHT SMACK IN THE MIDDLE OF
the INDIAN OCEAN..IT WAS AUGUST 2015 . I went for a snooze in mid afternoon ,then i
was awaken by staunch of dead fish. THE WHOLE BEACH WAS PILED UP WITH DEAD
FISH OF ALL TYPES..THE NEXT 3 DAYS ALL THE ISLANDS REPORTED THE SAME..3 DAYS LATER
I TOOK FLIGHT FROM PRASLIN TO MAHE AND THE WHOLE OCEAN AS FAR AS THE EYES CAN SEE
WAS BROWN BLACK YELLOW AND RUSTY COLOUR. THEN I SAID TO MYSELF WELL THE SHIT HAS HIT THE
FAN..WHEN YESTERDAY I LISTEN TO THIS MP3 FROM RENSE .COM. AND I WILL LET YOU MAKE UP YOUR MIND..
PLEASE LISTEN TO THAT MP3.http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_Wigington_072213.mp3

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #221 on: December 16, 2015, 02:56:21 PM »
THEN THIS SHIT IS HAPPENING WORLD WIDE . EVEN HERE IN THE VERY WELL PROTECTED
COCKBURN SOUND , PERTH OF WESTERN AUSTRALIA..http://www.end-times-prophecy.org/animal-deaths-birds-fish-end-times.html

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #222 on: December 16, 2015, 07:48:07 PM »
Exxon has known since 1977 from their own research. They have and continue to dump millions into spreading just enough doubt in people's minds to prevent change and we let them. Can't wait till that new I-phone comes out. It's gana be sooooo cool.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/investigation-finds-exxon-ignored-its-own-early-climate-change-warnings/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgAcUhZHdeA

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #223 on: December 16, 2015, 08:10:37 PM »
he issue is not whether 'climate change' happens, but which direction and the cause.
Carefully read (~53 Mbytes)
http://people.iarc.uaf.edu/~sakasofu/pdf/two_natural_components_recent_climate_change.pdf

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #224 on: December 17, 2015, 01:04:01 AM »
The direction is not good. The cause is natural, exacerbated by human pollutants.

Natural cooling and heating has always been happening. In 2015, those that don't know by now that we are helping to tip the scale in a negative way making it more difficult for the natural balances to occur, never will know.