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Author Topic: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?  (Read 121917 times)

Offline MileHigh

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #135 on: December 07, 2015, 06:32:09 PM »
John:

Is this the "Wayne" you are referring to?  You know the one that myself and TK argued with because he was soliciting money from people (about two million dollars worth) to pitch a magical contraption replete with groaning bellows that was supposed to produce free energy by lifting and lowering water?

A good chunk of that money is presumably stolen or the people that lost all their money will have to take Wayne Travis and his wife to court to get a part of it back.  But who knows, perhaps Wayne and his wife will land their asses in prison.

When I argued it out with Wayne it's because I am a good guy, not a sheep with the subliminal message "SHUT UP" droning through my head.

MileHigh

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #136 on: December 07, 2015, 06:53:42 PM »
This material comes from the fist half of any Electronics 101 course.

Actually this is standard in basic high school physics as well.  (I know because my 16 year old daughter is currently studying Maxwells equations, James Watt etc). 

Maybe passing a basic high school physics test should be prerequisite before posting.

https://www.khanacademy.org/test-prep/mcat/physical-processes

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #137 on: December 07, 2015, 11:13:27 PM »
Yes Minni its all dark in here but when I am around the light is bright ! I inform now here that an infinity capacitor is now 
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old girl or forever shut up and get out of here ASAP ............................................................ WHERE IS THE OU PRIZE ??? ?

Who among us has the guts to post saying this guy's nonsensical and sometimes nasty postings are unacceptable and you would prefer if he either switches out of character and posts like a rational person, or, if he remains in character then you would prefer that he simply stops posting because you are tired of it?

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #138 on: December 08, 2015, 12:03:52 AM »
Who among us has the guts to post saying this guy's nonsensical and sometimes nasty postings are unacceptable and you would prefer if he either switches out of character and posts like a rational person, or, if he remains in character then you would prefer that he simply stops posting because you are tired of it?

I've done it before, most recently with Hoppfield, and would do it again if there is enough reason.
Kevin Blundells gofundme begging campaign also.

But alas, it it unlikely to happen with Atommix because I don't typically read his long rambling posts.

I currently don't choose to use the ignore function, but it does take quite a lot of scrolling.

Pete

Offline minnie

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #139 on: December 08, 2015, 12:11:09 AM »



  Trouble is MileHigh you're just too boring. Virtually everything here is dreams
or drivel.
    Wayne and EMJ are confused by something as simple as their principal principle.
Old Robert Murray Smith seems to be basically a chemist,you never know he could
just come up with something. A cheap energy storage system would do the poorer
people the world of good if it could be made with available,non toxic materials.
 I think we all know by now just how clever you are.

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #140 on: December 08, 2015, 12:13:09 AM »
Who among us has the guts to post saying this guy's nonsensical and sometimes nasty postings are unacceptable and you would prefer if he either switches out of character and posts like a rational person, or, if he remains in character then you would prefer that he simply stops posting because you are tired of it?
I thought he was writing a sci fi novel.  I was looking forward to the next chapter. 

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #141 on: December 08, 2015, 12:24:01 AM »
I thought he was writing a sci fi novel.  I was looking forward to the next chapter.

heh... If you play "The City on the Edge of Forever" backwards the time-reversed mnemonic memory circuit will play forwards and sound just like Atommix93.  Bloody amazing!

Yes, I agree multiplying volts times amps is boring.  I should form a punk band, "Klockwerk of Nature."

I agree that cheap supercapacitors made with benign materials would be great.  But you need more than a hunch.  You have to prove it, just like promising to design a brand new water pump for usage in Africa.  It has to actually get designed and built and you have to measure how much water it can pump.

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #142 on: December 08, 2015, 01:36:33 AM »
MH, on an open forum, you will encounter all types, including Atommix93rdAtom1. Pay no attention to these anymore than you would pay attention to a snail leaving a trail of slime.
You are 110% (OU) correct in the analysis of the video.
Your language is somewhat stronger than mine when you express yourself, but not offensive to me. I treat 'insults' as jokes; most of the posts are just that: jokes.

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #143 on: December 08, 2015, 01:53:57 AM »
Is it the reboot of the 21st century.... or a giant external hard drive???    8)

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #144 on: December 08, 2015, 02:53:23 AM »
What the hal is that?

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #145 on: December 08, 2015, 04:02:36 PM »
Milehigh
apparently you stepped in something on the way into this thread...
next time please wipe your feet...

How am I supposed to get this out of Stefans new Nano tweed carpets...[yeah he Buys all the new stuff]

have you had any positive response on your measurement recommendations from The claimants ??
any indications whatsoever that they are addressing this ?

respectfully

Chet

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #146 on: December 08, 2015, 04:58:12 PM »
ELIMENTRY BASICS OF ELECTRONICS WTF ? This is free energy not electronics MH git rid of your text book son it does not work in any equation in free energy yet you search for over unity and that is totally impossible so your head is between a rock and a bigger rock . Than you use this madness to attack others who have a professional back ground and when asked to quantify your insulting attack you show a black box in a field ? Give here your equation for free energy as you keep stating how good you are at primary school maths and do not present entropy or enthalpy but just 1 amp at 1 volt with a working load of 1 watt . Your to work out how to power the load at its maximum level of infinity. You are permitted one set up charge of 2 watts and that is me being very generous and if you can not present an infinity equation than you must submit to the fact that you have absolutely no idea how to produce free energy and apologise to the 20 000 people that you have insulted throughout your life.

Avoid this simple challenge or get it wrong it will prove that you know nothing about  free energy or OU nonsense .......... The clue is in the question ! Lets see how cleaver you are ??? ??? ??? ???   
         


MH is not making claims, you are!  ???
Why not take your challenge and solve it yourself first?








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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #147 on: December 08, 2015, 05:27:09 PM »
Milehigh
apparently you stepped in something on the way into this thread...
next time please wipe your feet...

How am I supposed to get this out of Stefans new Nano tweed carpets...[yeah he Buys all the new stuff]

have you had any positive response on your measurement recommendations from The claimants ??
any indications whatsoever that they are addressing this ?

respectfully

Chet

Of course you had to come and give it a negative spin.   Tell me, is RMS making a correct measurement or is he making an incorrect measurement and exaggerating the energy content in his sample?  If your response is the latter then tell me if I am doing a service to the community or not?

And no, RMS has ignored my comments and the comments of Tinman about this serious issue, the offending clip is still up on YouTube.

Meanwhile, how is your progress in getting a GDS water generator for testing going?

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #148 on: December 08, 2015, 06:05:33 PM »

MH is not making claims, you are!  ???
Why not take your challenge and solve it yourself first?


 Thats all MH does is make claim after backhanded claim:


 "Me:  <<< +Robert Murray-Smith What Lasersaber, Tinman, and you need to do is make credible measurements of the capacitance of your home-made supercapacitors.  Are you competitive with what is commercially available or not?  Is your energy density competitive with what is commercially available or not?  I looked at one of Tinman's clips and his claimed Farad capacity and what was shown in the clip was not credible. You three gentlemen need to make open, honest, and credible clips where you precisely measure the capacitance of your capacitors.  Are you guys really onto something, or can anybody go onto Digikey and order supercapacitors that outperform your home-brew supercapacitors? We are talking about the difference between anecdotal demonstrations of what the supercapacitors can do vs. getting serious and making real measurements.  >>>[/size]RMS deleted comment:  <<<...>>>Me:  <<< +Robert Murray-Smith It's not about convincing me, rather it's about convincing yourself that you are onto something.  There are several ways to measure the value of a capacitor.  I suggest that you research them and then make a clip showing your measurements.  Building a capacitor and measuring the value of the capacitor go hand in hand.  It does not have to be a scientific paper, just a good informative clip so that your viewers will benefit from it. >>>[/size]RMS deleted comment:  <<<...>>>Me:  <<< +Robert Murray-Smith No Robert, it's a perfectly sensible thing to say.  You are building a capacitor, and you should make a measurement of your device.  It's as plain as day.  I am sensing that you might not know how to do it.  Just Google it, learn about how to go about it, and then do some experiments.  >>>RMS deleted comment:  <<<...>>>Me:  <<< +Robert Murray-Smith What I know is that I asked you on your channel to make measurements of the capacitance to back up your claims and you flinched there also just like you are flinching here.  You made a serious technical mistake with your tap charging of your supercapacitors and you would not admit to it and instead of thanking me for politely pointing out the issue to you,  you denied it and subsequently deleted all of my comments.  So you seem to have some issues. A Maxwell K2Series BCAP 2000 Farad ultracapacitor is in a can that is 10 cm long x 6 cm in diameter.  In one of your clips you claim that you made a home-brew 2000 Farad capacitor that is roughly the size of a credit card.  Let us be conservative and say that you are claiming 10X the energy density by volume with your credit card sized capacitor that you claim is 2000 Farads. The onus is on you to prove that is true - that your credit-card-sized capacitor is 2000 Farads because right now I do not believe it. Apparently you are making the assumption that people don't want to see you make measurements to back up your rather fantastic claims on YouTube.  I can assure you that many people do indeed want to see you back up your claims with measurements. You attract attention from free energy enthusiasts and that field is rife with people making fake claims and enthusiasts that almost never ask the basic questions that should be asked.  2000 Farads in a form factor roughly the size of a credit card does not smell right to me so I am asking you to back up your claims with credible, honest, and open measurements.  Yet you are flinching and trying to be dismissive of my perfectly legitimate request and also trying to use deflection by trying to impugn my character.  Why don't you just make measurements and back up your claims like any person building supercapacitors should be happy to do? >>>RMS deleted comment:  <<<...>>>Me:  <<< +Robert Murray-Smith You are collapsing under your own weight and your obvious phony pretense - if you were real you would be pleased to make a credible, honest measurement of the capacitance of your devices.  >>>His last comment was quite nasty, so presumably afterwards he regained his composure and then deleted all of his comments.  I questioned his ability to make the capacitance measurement because in his "tap charging" clip he "tap charges" his sample supercapacitors, which presumably have a maximum voltage of under three volts, by connecting them directly to a bench power supply set to something like 18 volts.  One more time, that is an almost insane thing to do if you are supposedly technically competent.  I politely told him that he might damage his samples like that and "punch a hole" through them because of the serious potential to over-voltage them and he balked and refused to acknowledge that there could be a problem.  This discussion was also deleted shortly afterwards by RMS."


 Robert's only goal here is to get people experimenting and doing instead of sitting there typing away at the computer professing that they know it all.
 Robert has done some incredible work, What has MH done? Might I suggest looking at MH's postings and you would see the content of those posts... If I have to I will post them all...
 MH comes off as an egotistical electrical Theory bible thumper with zero innovative thoughts and only regurgitates equations he finds on the Internet with no real understanding that those theories don't hold well for REAL time electronics. Meaning his ideas are based on theoretical IDEAL  Closed situations which those theories are based on. It doesn't matter how close they come they are not real representations of what is really going on, only close approximations, with that closeness having some big gaps. One gap being that all circuits exposed to the environment are not closed systems. In that sense there are too many variables that could creep in and fudge any measurements one desires to measure. This includes that when measuring one alters the outcome just by measuring.


 Again RMS's goal is to do and try to get others to do as well. If we are looking for a way to gain in this field we have to have people doing and not just sitting there spouting BS like MH and others do.


 It is funny how you made this thread MH just to stir up controversy and spread fallacies that you usually spread. One being the closed theories you spout without one shred of real example that you provide. You even open this thread with a suggestion there is something amiss? Looking for others to join in your quest to put down anything you do not want to understand.


 Mr. Smith does not have to put up with that and thats exactly what he does. Why because your aim is not to further understanding of the Real, it is to further the understanding you think you know, which is the IDEAL Theoretical application to unideal situations. Meh


 You really have it out for people who are not bound by your Ideal Theories and you are trying to spread that virus to everyone that will listen to you. Some like Mr. Smith are not bitting and are continuing with what their goal is and that in Mr. Smiths case is to get us to open our minds and go outside of your little boxed in world.


 Let me give you an example of your tactics:


 Every since an elephants birth the old circuses used to put real heavy chains on the youths ankle. This after awhile teaches the youth that no matter what the chain wont let them go beyond a point. When that youth gets to the teens stage the Elephant doesn't even try to go beyond that chains reach. they now can simply tie that elephant up with a rather weak rope. Even though the elephants strength would snap that rope with ease it never attempts to break the rope because it has learned it is futile to do so from it's experience in the past. So for the rest of it's life it "knows" it isn't possible but yet if it tried just once it could be free very easily. This is your goal and these are the tactics we all see you and your ilk use on us. This is applied expertly by you in the form of sly insults and droll regurgitated "Facts" based on your weak IDEAL theories. We know what you are doing and Mr. Smith knows how to handle your kind. Deleted.

Offline jbignes5

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #149 on: December 08, 2015, 06:32:12 PM »


 Let me give you some context to this new kind of capacitor:


 http://web.mit.edu/erc/spotlights/ultracapacitor.html


 In their version they are using carbon nanotubes and the density can be equal to a battery without the downside that a battery has chemically.

 Has MR. Smith found a better way to make it? Hmmm.... Time will tell.

 I am afraid I kinda led Mr. Smith to this point with my suggestions about crystal batteries. But the way he is being treated was not my intention. How dare you call his intentions into some kind of plot to deceive when your own intentions are to shoot down everything that comes along and deceive others with your fallacies about capacitors not being equal to a batteries density of energy capacity. Is MIT wrong then? And why did you not know about the ultra caps and their discovery? Or did you know and intentionally mislead people by not mentioning that this technology is in fact valid?