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Author Topic: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?  (Read 118857 times)

Offline lasersaber

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #120 on: December 06, 2015, 04:15:46 PM »

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Me:  <<< +Robert Murray-Smith What Lasersaber, Tinman, and you need to do is make credible measurements of the capacitance of your home-made supercapacitors.


Do you see any problems with the method I used in this clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqw8nwqyg4g[/size]


I cannot speak about Robert's or Tinman's capacitors because I have never tested them.  I have not yet come close to anything like 2000F in a credit card size.  Like I told Stefan in the comments on the watt hour test video about my homemade caps "I did the test but it was less than 1 watt hour if I remember correctly.".  I am also concerned that any measurements we give before going through a few hundred cycles could have a larger margin of error.


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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #121 on: December 06, 2015, 05:35:55 PM »
@MileHigh

Do you see any problems with the method I used in this clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqw8nwqyg4g[/size]


I cannot speak about Robert's or Tinman's capacitors because I have never tested them.  I have not yet come close to anything like 2000F in a credit card size.  Like I told Stefan in the comments on the watt hour test video about my homemade caps "I did the test but it was less than 1 watt hour if I remember correctly.".  I am also concerned that any measurements we give before going through a few hundred cycles could have a larger margin of error.


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I think agreeing on a standard measurement test would be good and Watt/Hour is pretty reasonable.  I like your little Watt Hour meter. There are a bunch of Arduino projects out there for these.  Problem is any test someone does is up to the honesty of the person performing the test. Maybe a super cap challenge with a prize (some bitcoin or something for the folks who like to stay anonymous).  Say 1000 cycles 2000F measurements 5mm * 85mm * 55mm and everyone sends them off to an independent person to test.

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #122 on: December 06, 2015, 05:39:54 PM »
Yes, I think that is a pretty good real-world test.  Just be careful with one thing, when you say "amp-hours" I am not sure where in the setup you are making that reference.  It would be prudent to state the associated voltage.  Of course your meter measured watt-hours also, so you are covered.   Note if the caps are 2600 farads then it's 433F@15V.

If I may ask a small favour of you, it would be to take your data and work it back to determine the value of an individual capacitor.  You have the start and end voltage, and the number of joules of energy expended, so using E = 1/2 CV-squared you can determine the capacitance.  The big question is this:  Will your measured capacitance be in line with the stated capacitance of the Maxwell supercapacitors?

You notice the remarkable difference in volume of your commercial supercapacitor at 2600 farads as compared to the RMS claim of 2000 farads in a credit-card-sized capacitor.  I am making the assumption that the RMS device is also comparable in voltage to the Maxwell supercapacitors, somewhere just shy of 3 volts.  Hence the volume comparison is valid.

Beyond that, what experimenters need is a viable way to measure the value of a single device not using an invertor and light bulb load and watt-hour meter, etc.  Not to detract from your perfectly valid test, but there needs to be a simpler test using standard stuff that most experimenters have on their bench.  The most obvious one is to connect a load resistor.  However, considering the relatively low voltage and very large capacitance, I am not sure if that is necessarily the best way.

I mentioned that some kind of test for the ESR would be a good thing to do, but I also forgot to mention another very basic parameter that needs to be discussed.  The percentage of voltage loss after 24 hours is another critical parameter.  Knowing the self-discharge rate is important depending on the application.

Finally, people have also mentioned the long term durability over multiple charge-discharge cycles which is a longer-term test that obviously is very interesting.

Anyway, I think it's great that people can make their own home-brew supercapacitors.  This stuff was unimaginable in the 1980s.  I leave it up to the builders to invent their own methods for testing their supercapacitors.  I have some ideas but I don't want to spoon feed people stuff.  Nor can I verify the viability of my ideas.  However, a supercapacitor is just a capacitor and it should be very feasible to come up with your own measurement protocol.  It would be great if you measured the capacitance in two different ways to see if they correlate.

MileHigh

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #123 on: December 06, 2015, 11:38:14 PM »
How about a musical interlude and at the same time we can give 93 a troll-a-gasm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD5engyVXe0

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #124 on: December 07, 2015, 12:15:02 AM »
Tin man Don't get wet about me son you know what that does to metal hahahahha

 

 

Stick to these rules and we have a deal ............ I will licence you and anyone else who agrees to these protocols or I will just keep coming here to laugh my socks off at you guys running around in circles ....

Do you like my 01.10 = 11 WELL SON IT DOES AS 1 +10 = 11 = 1+1 =2 .... Now to you that is bonkers hahahahah but in numerological mathematics its very important ,,,,,,,,,,, 

But lets reveal what that means !!!! An electron is 2.2 trillionths the size of its nuclei and .2 is 11 times smaller to the number of its 2 ................. Lets say the primary of the number is 0.1+0.1 = 0.2 and we x it by the formula of the 11, we get 0.2x11=2.2 .. So we now see the 11 is important and it had to come from some where or do you think its all by chance the 2.2 trillionths to the size of the nuclei is by chance ???? Now lets rise the electron 1 meter off the ground and its new earth horizon is 22 miles and now we see that the 10 has become important and the ten is metric nut the electron is imperial ...........

This means that the electron what is a construct of 2.2 trillion X Y particles is divided into 1.1 + 1.1 hahahhaha and this is 1+1+1+1=4 and represents the 4th dimension and is another numerological constant of the electron .... Now we have constructed the electron and it is now 1 metre above the ground with its earth horizon at 22 miles . What does that mean ? well it very important if we want to finally work out where the electrons position is at any given moment in time and space as I don't do uncertainty principles... So lets look again at we have found !

We have fond these numbers 1  10  11  2.2  4 =  1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 2 + 4 = 12 ....... hhahahaha now we have found the first 12 note chromatic octave of the electron and its numerological constant its imperial and metric relationship .  And from this I determine that the electron can occupy 2.2 trillion positions over 2.2 trillionths of one imperial second divided by infinity .  So what is infinity ? Lets now move away from the universe at 2.2 trillion miles and look back at the universe but we will need a very powerful eye to see the universe as it will appear to be no bigger than an electron hahahahahhaha

And if we were accelerating at the same speed as the so called inflation of the universe the universe would not look any different no matter how long we keep looking at it ........ So if we step out side of the universe where would we be ???? We would in fact arrive in the 5th dimension as there is no time or space there and all what we see as big here its all very small in the 5th dimension ...

Now we can begin to fully study the electron as we now have finally isolated it hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaah Now take up the wager sir stop the insults and lets rock this planet before we all fall off hahahhahahahaha or your all mouth and no TIN HAHHAHAHA LOL







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Now you don't understand it so you attack it ! But a simple proof confirms it and to that we and I do mean we the ones who know stand by it ............... Now the proof ....... First I challenge you with a wager £1 Gentleman's bet . But No matter what I say It will be you that has to run the test and pay up the money hahahhahah ....

And here you sit,typing away-->in stead of making billions on your wonder machine's.

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Now you don't understand it so you attack it ! But a simple proof confirms it and to that we and I do mean we the ones who know stand by it ............... Now the proof ....... First I challenge you with a wager £1 Gentleman's bet . But No matter what I say It will be you that has to run the test and pay up the money hahahhahah ....

Not likely.
I have spent enough money disproving poppycock devices.
Your the one with the bright idea's,and wild claim's-so you spend the money,and make one of your unicorn devices,and then come show us all how it works. :D

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Now which of the 9 do you contest ? Negative charged coil ? Magnetic vacuum ? Harmonic response of the 5th ? Unified field oscillator ? Electron propagator ? Green light resonator ???? Radiant ambient generator Is it an education you require ? hahhahahaha thats cheep for only a £1 hahhahahah

Negative charged coil= bollocks
Magnetic vacuum= Magnet in space ???
 Harmonic response of the 5th--sounds beethoven
Unified field oscillator-oh please ::)
Electron propagator=microwave oven?.
Green light resonator= drag race at the traffic lights ;D
Radiant ambient generator--> bedini pulse motor running at room temperature lol.

Educate us all-->build and show.

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What about my free energy megawatt generator hahahhahahahaha government funded technology hahahahhahahahahahah I rock the ATOM and master the art of free energy ! With me son the delivery is finite secure reality .... Tel you dumb stupid government what you have told me hahhahahahahah

Sure Ted ;)

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So you are in the land of the yellow brick road and the emerald city with the greater wizard ! And no doubt the wizard of OZ is your master hahhahahahahhahahahahhahahaha Is it not a better I dear to shut up and learn and develop a technology that can save thos planet from the dreaded heat death it is now facing or is it a better option to talk shit and throw stones at the answer only to run round in circles with a straw man and a gutless lion hahahhahahahahaha

Sure-it would be much better for all of us if you got of the computer, and went out and save the world :D

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But who is the wicked witch that stole a 5th of all your money ??????????? Come on son !!!! Do the right thing get back into your lab and finally masseur what it is that you have been looking for all these years ... .. hahahhaha Or is the tin man so wet he has rusted the only chance he has left to finally meet the wizard that is me hahahhahahahhahahahahhahaha

Oh dear haha,you have been eating the grass in stead of smoking it.

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First the anti ageing and cellular regeneration YOU WILL NEED IT than the lab tests ......... But there must be a firm agreement and no matter how much shit talk you throw at me the protocol must never be defeated or a evil Muslim ISS terrorists may have it .....

 ???

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I clearly state what ever the secrets are should be keep secret and we just sale the energy in advanced on the global futures markets as a global energy bond  deal sold 10 years in advance ............ OK SON !!!

First-i am no son of your's. If i was,i'd go into hiding.
You go get that stock market haha--knock em dead. ;)

The rest i cannot even be bothered with-enough time wasted.

Offline minnie

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #125 on: December 07, 2015, 12:41:30 AM »



  So much crap!!
   Give yourselves a proper treat, good 'phones essential.
 I'm not clever enough to do link but....
 YouTube  Fingal's cave Mendelssohn.
  93rd. could be one of the brightest here...."harmonics".

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #126 on: December 07, 2015, 01:13:55 AM »



  Space bubble baths and the free universe, Michio Kaku.....YouTube.
Found it! My connection is poor to say the least, I can get the 'Tube if
it happens to be my lucky day.
   Part of this country is under-water today, farm animals marooned or
washed away,very sad.

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #127 on: December 07, 2015, 01:55:48 AM »


  So much crap!!
   Give yourselves a proper treat, good 'phones essential.
 I'm not clever enough to do link but....
 YouTube  Fingal's cave Mendelssohn.
  93rd. could be one of the brightest here...."harmonics".

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sorry to hear about the recent flood going on over there.

all the best


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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #128 on: December 07, 2015, 03:44:10 AM »
 Wow looks like MH is still trolling the forum and now youtube. Hey buddy want to know why Mr. Smith deleted your posts?


 Also you mentioned errors all over the place but I have yet to see any credible evidence that there is anything of the sort going on here. Please understand this is a man who most likely is trying to work a deal with these companies. Why in gods green earth would he give you anything that you DEMAND. In the first place you have very little understanding of Super caps period. If you did you would know that the dielectric can be water based. It isn't a battery it is a very high density super cap that can be made very easily. Hence the reason he is light on information not only to keep secret but worth for a company to pay for it and also to encourage others to watch more of his videos which by the way Tell all of the information on how to make this super cap. Too bad you don't have the intellect to watch more about his path to discovery about this and learn for yourself how to make it. PSSST he tells all about it and the joke is on you really. You say this is a learning forum yet you lack the skill to even research about this and learn for yourself. What credibility you have MileHigh?. Your a joke.

 Before you reply think of this MH This was a cutionary post I will not be responding to you and I don't really care what you think about me. Got it? Good....

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #129 on: December 07, 2015, 05:16:34 AM »
Also you mentioned errors all over the place but I have yet to see any credible evidence that there is anything of the sort going on here.

See Tinmans post #114 on page 8.
http://overunity.com/16225/a-perspective-on-the-b-type-eesd-robert-murray-smith-any-issues/msg467533/#msg467533

What ? you don't trust him either.

Who would it take on this forum to tell you that there is an issue with RMS's claim ?

Kenny Wheeler ?
Joel ?
Atomix ?
Franco ?
Lawrence Tseung ?

Offline SoManyWires

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #130 on: December 07, 2015, 06:44:57 AM »
Wow looks like MH is still trolling the forum and now youtube. Hey buddy want to know why Mr. Smith deleted your posts?


 Also you mentioned errors all over the place but I have yet to see any credible evidence that there is anything of the sort going on here. Please understand this is a man who most likely is trying to work a deal with these companies. Why in gods green earth would he give you anything that you DEMAND. In the first place you have very little understanding of Super caps period. If you did you would know that the dielectric can be water based. It isn't a battery it is a very high density super cap that can be made very easily. Hence the reason he is light on information not only to keep secret but worth for a company to pay for it and also to encourage others to watch more of his videos which by the way Tell all of the information on how to make this super cap. Too bad you don't have the intellect to watch more about his path to discovery about this and learn for yourself how to make it. PSSST he tells all about it and the joke is on you really. You say this is a learning forum yet you lack the skill to even research about this and learn for yourself. What credibility you have MileHigh?. Your a joke.

 Before you reply think of this MH This was a cutionary post I will not be responding to you and I don't really care what you think about me. Got it? Good....

in all fairness, milehigh was correct to point out something all viewers are looking forward to verifying with the development and that being not too difficult manners of demonstrations showing the resulting capacity ratings and variances.
not knowing the results, everyone will be expected to wait a little longer for those.

milehigh is not a total bastard. and his attempt to find out more on the matter was moreless deleted.
perhaps somebody was just having a bad day and handled constructive criticism less as constructive.

sunny days ahead hopefully

Offline MileHigh

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #131 on: December 07, 2015, 12:34:13 PM »
Jbignes5:

You are clearly in denial and so misguided that you have to invent your own make-believe story instead of dealing with the facts.

MileHigh

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #132 on: December 07, 2015, 01:23:15 PM »
93, you are one of those very verbose whackadoo trolls.  When are you going to burn out already?  Your reams and reams of meaningless text get tedious and boring.  I am willing to bet you that 90% or more of the readers of this forum don't even bother reading what you post.  Electronic class clowns like you and Seychelles are a pain in the butt and get annoying after a while.  Like, you have nothing better to do with your life and your purpose here is to crank out reams and reams of meaningless text?  There has got to be something better for you to do.

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #133 on: December 07, 2015, 05:26:39 PM »



   Well Atom,that's told poor old MileHigh. I must admit I could see something
like this happening, he's certainly gone over the top with the Murray Smith thing.
 Atom you seem to have a bit of a Kelly streak in you going by your last few posts.
Unfortunately with the loss of MarkE,and both Koala and Poynt seeming to be losing
interest of late there's nothing much constructive to be had any more.
It's a great pity Wayne went dark,I'm just hoping he'll come up with the answer
regarding "Dark Energy",you never know!!!!

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #134 on: December 07, 2015, 06:16:20 PM »

   Well Atom,that's told poor old MileHigh. I must admit I could see something
like this happening, he's certainly gone over the top with the Murray Smith thing.
 Atom you seem to have a bit of a Kelly streak in you going by your last few posts.
Unfortunately with the loss of MarkE,and both Koala and Poynt seeming to be losing
interest of late there's nothing much constructive to be had any more.
It's a great pity Wayne went dark,I'm just hoping he'll come up with the answer
regarding "Dark Energy",you never know!!!!

Stop this silliness.  You said myself and Tinman were missing something important about this stuff, what is it?

Scientific integrity and making proper measurements and making correct statements is an important issue.  Even in this crazy place it's an important issue.  To deny it or be dismissive of it is ridiculous.  People should not act like spineless jellyfish and sycophants.

Meanwhile I get attacked for the hundredth time, but the truth is my behaviour is not worse than just about anybody else's behaviour.  The reason I get attacked is because I stand up for understanding basic elementary electronics and that upsets people.

Meanwhile I was disgustingly and viciously and relentlessly attacked and demeaned and degraded by Synchro1 for about six months and I did not see a single voice raised objecting to that behaviour, not one.  Before that I was disgustingly and viciously and relentlessly attacked and demeaned and degraded by Magluvin and Synchro1 for a full year and I did not see a single voice raised objecting to that behaviour, not one.  Anybody that accuses me of being such a terrible person while witnessing me being attacked for a year and a half and saying nothing is morally bankrupt.  It's a ridiculous double standard based on whether or not you promote a proper understanding of electronics, and that in itself is ridiculous.

I am not the issue here and people that try to make me the issue have to face what I am stating in this thread:  A "nice bloke" that appears to be on the leading edge of battery and capacitor research is presenting junk data, absolute junk, and apparently can't make a ridiculously simple measurement, or evades making simple measurements.  What I am saying is the truth and people that try to claim otherwise are sleepwalking and spineless.  You may as well be sheep being led of to slaughter if you can't think for yourself and always succumb to some abstract irrational peer group pressure that says that almost no matter what you see when someone does a failing experiment SHUT UP.  I give Tinman a lot of credit for not being afraid to speak the truth.  Many others see the huge problems with RMS and say nothing.

This material comes from the fist half of any Electronics 101 course.  If you can't see how wrong RMS is then you can't pass the first and second quizzes in your Electronics 101 course.  Power equals volts times amps.  Energy equals power times time.  If you can't grasp that and then recognize a total fail when somebody else tries to measure the energy in a battery then you are not in the right place.

So I have not "gone over the top."  It's just the usual fight and struggle to get the TRUTH out with the fake "you're a bad guy" attack for the hundredth time because people are supposed to SHUT UP when they see cases like this.  Meanwhile the real attackers and trolls are ignored.  I will not be a mindless drone ever.

The point has been made about RMS and people can decide for themselves what his knowledge level really is and what his motivations really are.  Technically, his battery clip is an unacceptable grotesque error that you would never make after your first four weeks in your Electronics 101 class because if you did your fellow students would think you were an idiot.  He has not presented any valid test data to back up his claims for his graphene supercapacitors.  These are facts.

MileHigh