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Offline CLaNZeR

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Re: Magnet Motor Idea... need feedback
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2006, 12:14:48 PM »
Thats the one 2 tiger!!

Slow site for downloading but sweet idea

Many thanks

Sean.

Here is the link:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,880.0.html


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Re: Magnet Motor Idea... need feedback
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2006, 12:55:59 PM »
Hi,

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Do not forget to choose the Direction: Russian-English translation

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Re: Magnet Motor Idea... need feedback
« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2006, 07:57:05 PM »
Creedo
As an old drag racer (1970's) I like the idea of a reciprocating piston engine. I have done some background work on the idea (see attach.). I will upload photos and drawings to my page at http://theowlnest.com/kickbypage.html
Peter

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Re: Magnet Motor Idea... need feedback
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2006, 02:09:14 PM »
So... a camshaft and piston approach to a self powerd magnet motor is a logical one after all?

...and here I was starting to think I would get laughed at... hehe :D

Nope, I think people are getting a bit obsessed with rotors...there's more than 1 way to skin a cat. Personally, I think that this approach would be easier to build.

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Re: Magnet Motor Idea... need feedback
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2006, 04:24:45 PM »
Hi all
Is anyone else actually building a reciprocating piston magnet engine? So far, I have a magnetic piston, a floating wristpin connecting rod, a very unique cylinder and a few electronic parts. It would be great to build this in conjunction and consultation with someone in this group.
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Re: Magnet Motor Idea... need feedback
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2006, 05:41:28 PM »
Creedo
As an old drag racer (1970's) I like the idea of a reciprocating piston engine. I have done some background work on the idea (see attach.). I will upload photos and drawings to my page at http://theowlnest.com/kickbypage.html
Peter

Hi Peter,

When I saw your picture on the reciprocating piston engine I remembered an interesting trick to make your electromagnet stronger but still using the same current as before. I saw this trick in an old patent where a permanent magnet placed above an electromagnet is kicked up to a distance of 5/8" (1.58cm) when 300mA DC current is switched onto the em coil. Then another permanent magnet is placed UNDER the em coil and for the same 300mA current into the same coil the upper permanent magnet is kicked up as high as 1 1/2" (3.81cm). 

I do not know if you are aware of this addition of a permanent magnet flux to that of an electromagnet in such a setup you have in your picture so I thought I mention this to you. It costs only the price of an extra magnet in a particular design.
The patent is US3670189 from 1972 and you can see it here:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3670189.pdf  and you need to use Acrobat Reader.
I attached Figs. 10 and 11 below and I edited in red arrow line the two distances involved.

I have just seen your post on looking for common tinkering on the reciprocating piston magnet engine. Unfortunately I have been involved in other "tinkerings" so I cannot join you in this project. By the way I cannot see yet your idea with this machine; do you expect possible overunity from it and if so how? If you feel like talking about it I could understand and maybe comment.

Regards
Gyula

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Re: Magnet Motor Idea... need feedback
« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2006, 06:05:29 PM »
Gyula
Thanks for your interest. I tried this addition to my other wheel and found that there was a definate increase in repulsion force but this was offset by repulsion when the piston returns to the coil. The RPM actually increased when I reversed the PM creating attraction.
My first goal is to build the reciprocating engine and then consider overunity.
Peter

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Re: Magnet Motor Idea... need feedback
« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2006, 06:42:11 PM »
Hi Peter,

Yes, I think it is possible and the inventor back in the 1970's used ceramic magnets with less strengths than nowadays Neo magnets have. Perhaps with longer solenoid coils for the electromagnets the distance could be increased, hence the repulsion at the return phase could be less.

rgds
Gyula

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Re: Magnet Motor Idea... need feedback
« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2006, 07:10:37 PM »
I guess a few others have tinkered with this concept as well
http://www.matchrockets.com/ether/recipmotor.html


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Re: Magnet Motor Idea... need feedback
« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2006, 08:18:08 PM »
Hi all
I have uploaded photos of parts to http://theowlnest.com/piston.html . The unique cylinder is 4 brass rods spaced around the circumference of the piston. The piston is a graphite tube with a 1/2" neo magnet inside. and the connecting rod is connected by a full-floating wrist pin. I will use a Hall effect IC and transistor to time the spark (activate the coil).
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Re: Magnet Motor Idea... need feedback
« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2006, 08:23:12 PM »
I guess a few others have tinkered with this concept as well
http://www.matchrockets.com/ether/recipmotor.html


Jaszed
Thanks for the cool link.Interesting.
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« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2006, 04:07:28 AM »
Hi all
I have uploaded photos of parts to http://theowlnest.com/piston.html . The unique cylinder is 4 brass rods spaced around the circumference of the piston. The piston is a graphite tube with a 1/2" neo magnet inside. and the connecting rod is connected by a full-floating wrist pin. I will use a Hall effect IC and transistor to time the spark (activate the coil).
Tropes

Well it's no screamin' hell but it was fun building. I have uploaded a short video to http://theowlnest.com/piston.html . My power source is a cadmium-nickle 9.6 v. rechargeable and a 6v. sealed lead connected in series for about 15 v.. Now if anyone has some idea of how I can achieve overunity, I am open to suggestions.
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Re: Magnet Motor Idea... need feedback
« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2006, 06:29:06 PM »
hey tropes,

looks neat! at least runs huh!  what are using to time the spark? how long will it run on the 9.6v battery?  do you have any way to tell how much torque your motor has? i guess you need to do some tests to figure out your horsepower, so we can see shat kind of efficiences you have to start with.  there are always ways to increas efficiency.

keep us posted. it would be nice to have a little longer video.

lol
sam

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Re: Magnet Motor Idea... need feedback
« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2006, 07:01:42 PM »
NIIICE!! Love the video!! Now what you may want to concider is building a few more of these, offset their timings, and connect them all to a common driveshaft with a single flywheel. And you may concider having the piston pulled with magnets on the other side of the stroke. Basicly pulling on the down and up-stroke of the piston.

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Re: Magnet Motor Idea... need feedback
« Reply #29 on: November 02, 2006, 08:02:27 PM »
hey tropes,

looks neat! at least runs huh!  what are using to time the spark? how long will it run on the 9.6v battery?  do you have any way to tell how much torque your motor has? i guess you need to do some tests to figure out your horsepower, so we can see shat kind of efficiences you have to start with.  there are always ways to increas efficiency.

keep us posted. it would be nice to have a little longer video.

lol
sam
I had to change sites to upload a longer video. It is at http://www.eebeh.com/piston.html Check it out as well as the simple wiring diagram.
Tropes