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Title: Substitute the neon bulb in the Bedini SSG
Post by: antimony on November 21, 2015, 02:17:40 PM
Hi, guys.  :)
I am collecting the necessary parts or components for a Bedini SSG battery charger.
I am almost done with collecting the parts. I just lack the neon bulb.
 
I have tried to find someone that offers them, but i can´t seem to find one anywhere, but i read on the wikipedia site that neon bulbs that they are used in the on-off switches in extension cords.

If i salvage the bulb, could that maybe work, or can i use a substitute bulb?

Also, while im already posting this thread i would like to ask if someone have any tips regarding to winding the bifilar coils?

I would really appreciate some feedback on this project, becouse im sure many members here have already made this one.
Title: Re: Substitute the neon bulb in the Bedini SSG
Post by: mscoffman on November 21, 2015, 05:37:40 PM
Try:   http://www.jameco.com

{click on search for: neon bulb}

These Ne2 neon bulbs are quite common as there are no good
substitutes for their ability to fire at 90Volts with zero conductivity
before reaching the breakdown voltage. Neon Bulbs were used in
the relaxation oscillator in the time-base of early oscilloscopes, so
they are quite an old component actually. There is also a green
argon bulb with a different breakdown voltage.

Yes, you can find neon bulbs in very inexpensive night-lites too, but in series
with a standard 47K ohm 1/4 watt resistor for 120VAC which will need to be
deleted. Make sure you are dealing with a glass neon bulb and not a LED
these days. And No, substituting a LED will not help a Bedini machines.
 
Title: Re: Substitute the neon bulb in the Bedini SSG
Post by: TinselKoala on November 21, 2015, 08:38:09 PM
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/A1A/A1A-ND/4176016

http://www.ebay.com/itm/100-pcs-Miniature-Red-Neon-Lamps-5mm-Round-NE-2-H-High-Brightness-/351251907633?hash=item51c83ec431:g:pwwAAOxyWiRSMIbs

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Box-of-10-NE-2-Neon-Glow-Lamp-Bulb-Hudson-1-17W-NOS-/131521141581?hash=item1e9f455b4d:g:tRYAAOSwNSxU64pO

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NE-2-NEON-NE2-NEONS-BULB-Sencore-B-K-exact-replacement-LOT-OF-5-/121531628802?hash=item1c4bd97d02:m:mm9w9ly5RHO8l6bFEQbYGCA

http://www.surplussales.com/bulbs-incan-panel/BulbsNeon.html

http://www.newark.com/multicomp/a1a-ne-2-10pk/lamp-neon-t-2-0-6ma/dp/61M2935

http://www.mouser.com/Search/Refine.aspx?Keyword=ne2+neon

http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1657692.pdf


The internet is your friend... 
Title: Re: Substitute the neon bulb in the Bedini SSG
Post by: antimony on November 21, 2015, 10:06:35 PM
I took apart one of our extension cords today,  and i found that it contained a small glass Ne2 bulb. 

And from what i gathered from your post was that it is ok to use in the SSG circuit?
English is not my native language so please forgive me if your post said the absolute opposite of what i understood.  :)

Have you any experience with this circuit?
Title: Re: Substitute the neon bulb in the Bedini SSG
Post by: tinman on November 22, 2015, 02:38:42 AM
I took apart one of our extension cords today,  and i found that it contained a small glass Ne2 bulb. 

And from what i gathered from your post was that it is ok to use in the SSG circuit?
English is not my native language so please forgive me if your post said the absolute opposite of what i understood.  :)

Have you any experience with this circuit?

The neon bulb is only there to protect the transistor from over voltage if the charge battery is disconnected.  Also note that the SSG pulse motor is very slow to recondition and charge a bad battery. You would be better off leaving the base/emitter diode and flywheel out,and use it as a solid state unit--> unless of course you like spinny things and have a great deal of time to wait for your battery to charge.

Please remember-regardless of what you may have heard or read-->this is not a free energy machine.
Title: Re: Substitute the neon bulb in the Bedini SSG
Post by: antimony on November 23, 2015, 10:29:22 AM
I understand the SSG is not a free energy machine, but that´s ok. I see it as a highly efficient motor, if done right i guess.
What i am mostly interested in is to rejuvinating batteries, and of course learn to make motors, and i thought that the SSG would be a good first build project. :)

I havent checked out the solid-state SSG circuit, but i will definently check it out. :)

I will check the links out, and get one. Do i need to get some special Ne2 bulb?
The one i have is very small, and i guess there are not just only one kind of Ne2 bulbs?

Thanks for the help. :)

Title: Re: Substitute the neon bulb in the Bedini SSG
Post by: tinman on November 23, 2015, 10:49:17 AM
I understand the SSG is not a free energy machine, but that´s ok. I see it as a highly efficient motor, if done right i guess.
What i am mostly interested in is to rejuvinating batteries, and of course learn to make motors, and i thought that the SSG would be a good first build project. :)

I havent checked out the solid-state SSG circuit, but i will definently check it out. :)

I will check the links out, and get one. Do i need to get some special Ne2 bulb?
The one i have is very small, and i guess there are not just only one kind of Ne2 bulbs?

Thanks for the help. :)

One of the 5mm 110 volt neon's will do.
Just remove the base emitter diode from the ssg pulse motor circuit,and it will go into self oscillation when you spin the rotor up. Once started,you can stop the rotor,and it will keep oscillating.

The SSG pulse motor is a great way to get started into pulse systems/pulse motors.


Brad
Title: Re: Substitute the neon bulb in the Bedini SSG
Post by: antimony on November 23, 2015, 11:43:36 AM
One of the 5mm 110 volt neon's will do.
Just remove the base emitter diode from the ssg pulse motor circuit,and it will go into self oscillation when you spin the rotor up. Once started,you can stop the rotor,and it will keep oscillating.

The SSG pulse motor is a great way to get started into pulse systems/pulse motors.


Brad

Yes, that´s what i also thought. It is a pretty simple circuit.
Is there some way to make it perform with overunity, or why is it considered to be in the free energy machine category?

I will look for that kind of neon bulb and see if i can find it. :)

I live in Sweden, and we have 240V out the wall here, so the bulb i have may be sufficient, or that doesn´t matter maybe? 

I bought these, hope they are ok. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/40-x-Orange-Light-Neon-Bulb-Indicator-Lamp-5x10mm-AC-100V-220V-w-Resistor-/291267155493?hash=item43d0e01625:g:hBwAAOSwo0JWII6o
Title: Re: Substitute the neon bulb in the Bedini SSG
Post by: tinman on November 23, 2015, 02:19:39 PM
Yes, that´s what i also thought. It is a pretty simple circuit.


I will look for that kind of neon bulb and see if i can find it. :)

I live in Sweden, and we have 240V out the wall here, so the bulb i have may be sufficient, or that doesn´t matter maybe? 

I bought these, hope they are ok. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/40-x-Orange-Light-Neon-Bulb-Indicator-Lamp-5x10mm-AC-100V-220V-w-Resistor-/291267155493?hash=item43d0e01625:g:hBwAAOSwo0JWII6o

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Is there some way to make it perform with overunity, or why is it considered to be in the free energy machine category?

No,there is no way to make it create energy-which would be required in order for it to be an overunity machine. It is in the free energy category only because of lies told by those who wish to profit from books and video's about the machine. The only machine that would be considered to be an overunity device is a machine that uses an energy source that can deliver a continuous force that acts upon the device in a way as to create motion of mass,and where as that motion of mass dose not deplete the source of the force that creates that motion of mass. Once this is achieved,then energy could be drawn from the moving mass.

Just remove the resistor,and all should be well.


Brad