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Offline NathanCoppedge

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Proven experiment has gone un-noticed by the media...
« on: November 14, 2015, 06:27:20 PM »
I have a diagram up on Wikipedia...

(Search for 'coppedge' under multimedia or check WikiMEDIA for perpetual motion-related images).

In any case, it is the same image listed below.

There is a successful experiment proving the operability of each independent modular unit shown in the diagram.

No additional gain or loss of altitude is necessary in the proposed machine.

I have proven that simple mechanics is capable of lifting the same weight that dropped to create vertical motion. The motion is slight, but I believe it is sufficient to constitute perpetual motion if anyone gets around to building the full model.

As for me, I have found it is at the limit of my construction ability.

A corporation, on the other hand, could easily build these things, and with peizo-electric plates on a large scale it might produce cheap, unlimited electricity.

At this point I basically waive my own rights to ownership. I'd like to receive royalties, but if royalties are what is stopping someone, then I would rather they go ahead and build it.

This device has been experimented with only since Nov 2013, and by a lazy philosopher at that.

So, it is a big opportunity.

We know a marble can lift a lever that is mostly in a higher position by activating a curve that slips down to a lower position.

So, in my belief, the small difference in altitude can be overcome (remember, the marble DID RISE TO BEGIN WITH, SO IT IS ONLY A MATTER OF A VERY SLIGHT PROPORTIONAL DIFFERENCE). And that is absolutely the only hurdle to making this perpetual motion machine.

Particularly if anyone thinks this device works, I would like to hear about your knowledge of the physics. I have a goal of finding equational proof for more than one of my designs. And, I hate to admit it, but I lack knowledge in conventional and contemporary physics, beyond a few of the basic Newtonian Laws.

What would be necessary to prove my device on paper?

Does anyone have any thoughts of encouragement or notations about functionality / dysfunctionality?

I have worked on perpetual motion since 2006, and believe this is one of my very best designs. No electricity, proven experiment, moves from rest, mostly solves proportionality.

If anyone is curious about the details, I would be glad to explain. For example, the counterweight is approximately equal to the marble on the opposite end (what I call the 'mobile weight'), plus the difference between the long end and short end of the lever. The rising motion comes out of the horizontal support provided for the marble, which moves mostly horizontally throughout the course of the device.

I also have an important post on twitter which explains the function of the experiment: https://twitter.com/nathancoppedge/status/663117054703194112 That might be clarifying.

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Re: Proven experiment has gone un-noticed by the media...
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2015, 01:15:08 AM »
It is NOT proven, as was pointed out on R-G.

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Re: Proven experiment has gone un-noticed by the media...
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2015, 03:22:11 AM »
It is NOT proven, as was pointed out on R-G.

If you really analyze everything that was written there, 99.9% or more refer just to the least likely of the three designs.

This, on the other hand, is the MOST likely design.

You have to take into account that the people at Revolution-Green are those who would not believe the bubble in a level, which if you ask me, is absurd and preposterous.

The Modular Trough Lever is not a case as subtle or indiscernible as the Escher Machine.

My step-father, who studied engineering, asserts that I have a natural eye for determining what is level and what is not.

I'm not just using more than one level, but my own natural objective intuition on the topic.

All things considered, that the marble gains altitude was proven before I even conducted the experiment. If you need another example, consider that in some cases, as is proven, dominoes can chain-react up a miniature staircase. This is not so different, although it involves leverage acting on an object that is supported, and takes the place of all of the dominoes.

The real question is whether it is possible to connect one module with the next without any further loss of altitude.

And, basically it is, because we know that, given very narrow differences, if the path is allowed to flow downwards at that point, as it is allowed to do (since it has already risen), then there is no difficulty in creating further motion of a higher-level object such as a lever, because the downwards slope of the track at that point can be used to move the marble such that it applies pressure to the lever.

What Dansie and others were determining had to do with the supposed downward-angularity of the track upon which the marble was moving.

But, you know, that if something moves more quickly in one direction on a slope than another, then that direction is the downwards slope. In this case, the only reason the marble moves up the slope is because of angled pressure from the lever. So, all the phenomena are explained, except the last detail as to whether one module can be connected with another.

I find it nearly conclusive that, since no additional altitude variation is necessary, then the device is at least 90% functional in comparison to traditional attempts. It has, so to speak, solved the problem of the Bhaskara Wheel (although in a horizontal rather than vertical arrangement), which in my view was the unspoken standard of success in perpetual motion.

They say, 'build it!' Well, I built an experiment and now I want more support from people that know physics equations.

It shouldn't be too hard for someone with a background in some basic physics to determine the following things:

1. Accounting for the weight of each end of a lever, when the lever passes through a slotted track on the long end, and the short end with a maximum of about 1/2 leverage has approximately equal mass, that the marble accounted for on the long end of the lever may be permitted to move upwards at a 1/2 degree angle, since its mass is reduced by support from the track underneath.

2. If the same marble is permitted thus to travel with no inputted energy other than mass-force (this is what I call the counterweighted leverage's influence), mostly horizontally by the force of the lever acting at about 5 - 6 degrees below level, then if the lever is stopped in certain positions at the top and bottom of its range of motion, then the marble may be permitted to travel up and down the same distance from rest, or even to gain altitude net, since it is not required to fall the whole distance to recover motion, as the lever returns upwards automatically.

Notice, this purported device does not have the weakness of the Bhaskara wheel, of needing to travel upwards and downwards great distances. This is a key advantage, and rarely if ever have others attempted to overcome it.

Remember, only 45 X 45 years have passed since the year 0. And part of that time was war, slavery, and a lack of hardware stores!

The availability of computers is actually a by-product of industrial processes that were easy to miniaturize. Some of that process was automatic, and involved the classical model of tool-building. However, where there are no examples of previous tools, such as in perpetual motion, research is done more slowly. We have to wait for the fundamental ideas to arrive. And, it is my belief that now they have.

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Re: Proven experiment has gone un-noticed by the media...
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2015, 03:22:11 AM »
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Re: Proven experiment has gone un-noticed by the media...
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2015, 03:45:01 AM »
"You have to take into account that the people at Revolution-Green are those who would not believe the bubble in a level, which if you ask me, is absurd and preposterous." false: I read all your posts om R-G and the replies. Simon said that the bubble is not reliable for what you are doing; I agree.
At any rate, your designs do not differ in nature from many others, some in the Museum of Unworkable devices, that failed.

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Re: Proven experiment has gone un-noticed by the media...
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2015, 03:48:01 AM »
I'm noticing this design and can't make heads or tails out of what is supposed to happen from the images posted. Any further info that doesn't require me searing the entire wikipedia for related images?

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Re: Proven experiment has gone un-noticed by the media...
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Re: Proven experiment has gone un-noticed by the media...
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2015, 03:51:09 AM »
Consider this thought experiment:

1. Why would the counterweight have to be twice as heavy to lift the object, if the second object is supported? You might say that the second object has more leverage. But, in fact, it is moving a smaller distance.

2. Nonetheless, the marble remains on top of the lever the entire time, therefore it has an advantage.

3. The next lever is not much different in height. Less than the difference between the lowest and highest point of the lever's motion.

4. So at this point, you wonder, if friction would stop it. Why would friction stop something that is being propelled by an imbalance?

5. So, you might wonder if it has an imbalance at all! But, it is clear that it does, because the simple principle of a supporting track means that the equilibrizing force must create an imbalance in symmetry.

6. So, you must think that it has a proportionality problem. But I have already suggested that the marble can move the next lever from a higher position, not only because it has momentum, but because that's what mass does when it is allowed a downwards slope.

7. So, apparently, it works! Not much change in altitude, means of moving horizontally, self-sufficient units acting efficiently, proportional advantage.

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Re: Proven experiment has gone un-noticed by the media...
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2015, 03:59:53 AM »
At any rate, your designs do not differ in nature from many others, some in the Museum of Unworkable devices, that failed.

In principle you may be partly right, but that's based on a lot of assumptions. Would you really say that the devices are designed to work in EXACTLY the same way? Because that's what is necessary to have the SAME ~~machine.

When it comes to how the devices are designed to work, I think you miss the mark. Do you mean Frank Tatay's device, or the sponge-buoy design? I hardly see the resemblance. I have rarely if ever seen a design outside of my own work that attempts to make use of levers to create horizontal motion, and that is the key difference.

There have been videos, such as the Best Perpetual Motion Machines of 2014 (by the Visual Education Project) which made use of similar principles, but these were perhaps obviously based on my own work, and their existence is a recent phenomenon.

Do you agree, or can you point me to a device from the Museum that makes use of leverage to move a ball-weight almost horizontally?

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Re: Proven experiment has gone un-noticed by the media...
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2015, 04:07:22 AM »
I haven't visited the 'museum' in years, so I may be out of date.
I suggest that you do an analysis of the forces etc. involved using vector analysis. Eventually it always comes down to energy in/out. I see no way for extra energy to enter this conservative system.

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Re: Proven experiment has gone un-noticed by the media...
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2015, 04:12:03 AM »
I'm noticing this design and can't make heads or tails out of what is supposed to happen from the images posted. Any further info that doesn't require me searing the entire wikipedia for related images?

Thank you for your interest. It is a 'simple' (for now in part theoretical) perpetual motion machine in which a weight on the opposite end of a lever lifts an approximately equal weight that is supported by a track (the track has a slot that passes through the middle, so the lever can move the weight while it is supported by the track). Since the track goes upwards, when the marble gets to the end of the track, it has the mass to lift the opposing weight from either position, due to the slight difference between the two weights.

The process in theory continues, because each unit is identical. The biggest problem is if there is some problem triggering the second lever in the series, but otherwise there is momentum, because the marble or ball weight is supported, reducing the opposing mass necessary to move it mostly horizontally. Vertical resistance is all that needs to be overcome, and for most purposes, it is overcome. The return journey (a very slight downwards motion) at the end of each lever is made possible by the capacity for the marble to lift the counterweight when it is unsupported. As soon as it is supported, it begins to move horizontally, and slightly upwards (only 0.5 degrees, NOT 45 degrees).

(When I said 90% I was not referring to energy, but my own estimate of how metaphysically likely it could be that it could be turned into a simple perpetual motion machine).

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Re: Proven experiment has gone un-noticed by the media...
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Re: Proven experiment has gone un-noticed by the media...
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2015, 12:49:23 AM »
I haven't visited the 'museum' in years, so I may be out of date.

Ah, albeit.

I suggest that you do an analysis of the forces etc. involved using vector analysis. Eventually it always comes down to energy in/out. I see no way for extra energy to enter this conservative system.

The principle is similar to domino acceleration, except without net loss of altitude. The (possibly theoretical) advantage comes through proportionality of length and mass. If two weights are equal in mass, but one is supported, then there is an extension of the length the supported weight can move to before it will stop. This creates an imbalance. And, if the weight is moving in-to-out instead of out-to-in, there is no doubt that the place it will move to will have enough leverage to lift the weight that lifted it, provided a 1:1 or 1:2 ratio. Now, we add another factor, that due to the 1 : 1-2 ratio in mass, the mobile weight or marble can be lifted vertically very slightly, since the support from the track reduces its effective mass, so long as it remains in contact with the track. And, another factor is that the effective range of the mobile marble can be limited to a range in which the angle of the lever has an effect on its motion.

The result? I predict perpetual motion!

 

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