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Author Topic: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?  (Read 36674 times)

Offline tinman

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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
« Reply #60 on: November 09, 2015, 06:38:41 AM »
Fusionchip's AKA (Gadgetmall's) first Bedini replication and "Piggyback Output Coil" looped selfrunner:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LczzeeyfFoA

Compare Fusionchip's "Piggyback Coil" with neatpete45's "Ferrite Core Coil Induction" combination at 3:25 toward the end of his video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebAgWBKrqrM

This combination is "Lenz Free" because it does not involve rotor induction but "Ferrite Resonance"; The output coil is "nowhere near the rotor"!

Great-they just discovered induction.

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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
« Reply #60 on: November 09, 2015, 06:38:41 AM »

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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
« Reply #61 on: November 09, 2015, 10:11:13 AM »
Great-they just discovered induction.

@Tinman,

Probably watched some "Skycollection" videos!

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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
« Reply #62 on: November 09, 2015, 10:33:35 AM »
@Tinman,

Probably watched some "Skycollection" videos!

I have watched many of skycollections video's,and while he builds nice neat machines,he never really dose any P/in P/out measurements.

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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
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Offline synchro1

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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
« Reply #63 on: November 09, 2015, 11:11:49 AM »
I have watched many of skycollections video's,and while he builds nice neat machines,he never really dose any P/in P/out measurements.

@Tinman,

Very good point! Jorge's a skilled tinkerer who appeals to our intuitive reasoning rather then a schooled academic. He's shown us how to build his coils in the hope that someone with the precision scientific measuring instruments will help. Zerofossil fuel degraded him and caused him to take down all his videos for a spell. I helped cajole them back.

The concept is clearly demonstrated by neatpete45; Jorge maintains he has "Lenz Free" output coils. He's not talking about the pickup coil in adjacency to the rotor, but the coils behind it that generate power through induction.

Skycollection stacks at least four coils one over the other. He times the run of the neo sphere from a set of super capacitors. The addition of multiple induction pickup coils does not diminish the run time on the neo sphere!   
« Last Edit: November 09, 2015, 02:57:36 PM by synchro1 »

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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
« Reply #64 on: November 09, 2015, 04:49:56 PM »
I am going to discuss the torque issue just for fun.

When people say, "My pulse motor has good torque" it's purely anecdotal and meaningless.  The other thing is that when your pulse motor is running at a stabilized top speed, the useful output torque is ZERO, which may come as a shock to some ardent pulse motor builders.

The challenge is this:  How can you come up with a way to measure your torque, and also more importantly, compare torque between different pulse motors on a level playing field?

The good news is that this can all be accomplished with a pickup coil and experimenting with different load resistors.

Imagine that you have a special torque measurement coil that is a bit larger in diameter than a typical rotor magnet but relatively short in length.  Let's call it the TM coil.  So the TM coil would resemble a small ring for your finger.

Here is a typical example:

Say your pulse motor is running at max speed at 3000 RPM.   Then you bring the TM coil and chosen load resistor close to the spinning rotor and then the speed stabilizes at 2700 RPM.  You measure the RMS voltage across the load resistor.

You have all of the information to measure how many watts are being dissipated in TM coil:  The RMS voltage across the load resistor, the TM coil resistance, and the load resistance.  Crunch the numbers and get the watts.

So, at 2700 RPM and "X" watts dissipated in the TM coil + load resistor, you crunch the numbers and you get the torque output for your motor.  Foot-pounds or Newton-Meters, it's your choice.  As you change the value of the load resistor the motor will change speed, and it's up to you to determine if the torque increases or decreases.  Is there a sweet spot for the torque?

Finally, you can then create a metric that is independent of the actual pulse motor build: torque per input watt.   Two experimenters can build two completely different pulse motors and compete in terms of torque per input watt.

Finally, the bonus round:

The TM coil is shaped like a ring for a very good reason.   Imagine the TM coil is wound around a small circular piece of wood in order to allow it to hold its shape, even when the Lenz force on it is quite strong.  The TM coil can pick up power from two sources, (1) the spinning rotor magnets, and (2) the pulses from the drive coil itself.

You don't want the TM coil to be picking up pulses from the drive coil itself, that will disturb your torque measurement.  So without the rotor spinning, you connect a signal generator to the drive circuitry for your drive coil and start pulsing the drive coil.  You scope the output of the TM coil (no load resistor) and angle it in such a way as to reduce the pickup of EMF from the drive coil to an absolute minimum.  Now when the rotor spins the TM coil will presumably be only be getting EMF induction from the spinning rotor magnets.

So, the challenge for all you pulse motor builders:

(1) Measure the torque output from your pulse motor and find the sweet spot
(2) Calculate your torque per input watt and compare that will your peers in a friendly competition

Get your creative juices flowing and start making some real measurements of the torque instead of making meaningless anecdotal statements about the torque output of your pulse motors.

MileHigh

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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
« Reply #65 on: November 09, 2015, 10:17:29 PM »
I gotta buy one of these:

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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
« Reply #66 on: November 09, 2015, 10:51:04 PM »
@Tinman,

Would there be any likelihood that you could build and test "Skycollection's" induction coil alternator to determine with certainty if the bifilar output coils actually multiply power or not?

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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
« Reply #67 on: November 09, 2015, 11:45:53 PM »
The basic truth is simple ! Pressure of some kind needs to accumulate ! A delay negative or positive grows pressure and the energy for the gain is always from the spin of an electron which is at 5.5 million mph ! The energy of this is emitted from its event horizon and its continuity is its unified quantum state of entanglement with all other electrons in the universe !

Just play about with no formula for a energy gain is like looking for a needle in a galaxy ! The square of the charge is related to the square of the charged proton spinning in the nuclei closest to the free electron field. The charge of the protons is what keeps the quantum state of the free electrons active ! When making your so called Lenz coil you need to make sure its overall event horizon is a scaled up equation of the electrons you intend to feed off but to do that the harmonic of the feed out put electrons must be set up so it can migrate as a 5th note of the scale of the electron field! This will require that the gauge of the coil is off the correct threshold for this event to occur !   

The only other option is to set up a negative charge in the coil and feed from the electrons in the ambient ! Many people make these generators work by chance ! But there is no real standard for it beyond the one I have now ! given. 

See how the chart provided follows the chart that mile high has given ! All reactions are harmonic response and if you don't start to learn that you will forever be in the dark. I can levitate that Lenz coil and make it power a car a home anything you want ! 

So now you have the correct speed for the vector of the free electron in your coil and its a imperial number as all imperial numbers are harmonic ! If you keep on with this idea that what you read from some so called academic who has no idea of the quantum state for an electron you got no chance ! Any refusal to except these simple rules will result in events that will always have the wrong formulas to scale up the effect !

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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
« Reply #68 on: November 09, 2015, 11:48:42 PM »
@Tinman,

Would there be any likelihood that you could build and test "Skycollection's" induction coil alternator to determine with certainty if the bifilar output coils actually multiply power or not?

You will have to point me in the direction off these induction coils,and what alternator setup you are refering to.

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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
« Reply #69 on: November 09, 2015, 11:50:35 PM »
MOT secondaries make for great air core coils.
Much better than the Zero force motor setup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flU687Vg0iM

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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
« Reply #70 on: November 10, 2015, 12:27:59 AM »
I DONT DRINK OR TAKE DRUGS ... THIS WILL HELP !

The earth has a 360 hz harmonic thats because all its mass is in that key note frequency ! LOOK VERY CLOSE AT THIS !!!! Build to these laws !!!! ANY PROBLEMS COME IN TO MY ONLINE OFFICE AND YOU GET THE FULL UNIFIDE FIELD HARMONIC ARANGEMENT ...... But it comes with a simple NDA joint ownership an a equal vote as to what is to be done with it ! ? ! FOR REAL MR TIN MAN ! WHAT EVER AN ALIEN UFO CAN DO WE CAN NOW DO !!!! FACT !!!! COME AND GET IT ASAP !!!

Stop messing around ! This is really important ! Look at your Lenz coil and ask is it in phase with the geometry of the earth the moon the gravity field of this earth and with all its mass and charge ? If not than if you get one working it wont sustain for more than a few days ....... fact !!!!

Resistance is futile ........ fact !!!!!! now lets go give them pesky little aliens a run for there money hahahah lol

 

First you need to reduce the size of your pictures.

2nd-im guessing you have a machine working based around these principles you put forth ?-->one that you can show of course ;)

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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
« Reply #71 on: November 10, 2015, 12:30:32 AM »
You will have to point me in the direction off these induction coils,and what alternator setup you are refering to.

@Tinman,

Here's a video of "Skycollection's" multifilar alternator in oscillation. The two transistor oscillator circuit is very simple, and he supplies a detailed schematic in the video. A D.C. amp gauge and a switch for one of the LED banks would indicate either a drop in input or no difference when an LED bank were shut off:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qjMRuOSXBo

Here's a video on how to wrap the bifilar pancake coil:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvc-axQTaHM

Here's a question asked by "Lidmotor" from "Skycollection's" multifilar youtube video:

"I don't understand.  How are the six coils connected and how are the LEDs connected to the coils?  The basic complimentary two transistor circuit I am familiar with but the big pancake coil is the mystery.  It is very interesting but we need more information.  Thanks".

Zerofossil fuel asked the same question. The answer is: The coils are not connected. They generate power through induction!

Neatpete45's ferrite core output coil is not connected to his Bedini power coil either, but still generates plenty of power even though it's nowhere near the magnet rotor.

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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
« Reply #72 on: November 10, 2015, 12:31:37 AM »
I DONT DRINK OR TAKE DRUGS ... THIS WILL HELP !

The earth has a 360 hz harmonic thats because all its mass is in that key note frequency ! LOOK VERY CLOSE AT THIS !!!! Build to these laws !!!! ANY PROBLEMS COME IN TO MY ONLINE OFFICE AND YOU GET THE FULL UNIFIDE FIELD HARMONIC ARANGEMENT ...... But it comes with a simple NDA joint ownership an a equal vote as to what is to be done with it ! ? ! FOR REAL MR TIN MAN ! WHAT EVER AN ALIEN UFO CAN DO WE CAN NOW DO !!!! FACT !!!! COME AND GET IT ASAP !!!

Stop messing around ! This is really important ! Look at your Lenz coil and ask is it in phase with the geometry of the earth the moon the gravity field of this earth and with all its mass and charge ? If not than if you get one working it wont sustain for more than a few days ....... fact !!!!

Resistance is futile ........ fact !!!!!! now lets go give them pesky little aliens a run for there money hahahah lol

 

The problem isnt building a self running or OU device.
The problems comes when presenting that device ::)

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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
« Reply #73 on: November 10, 2015, 01:23:06 AM »
You will have to point me in the direction off these induction coils,and what alternator setup you are refering to.

@Tinman,

Here's a video of "Skycollection's" multifilar alternator in oscillation. The two transistor oscillator circuit is very simple, and he supplies a detailed schematic in the video. A D.C. amp gauge and a switch for one or more LED banks would indicate either a drop in input or no difference when one or more LED's were shut off:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qjMRuOSXBo

Here's a video on how to wrap the bifilar pancake coil:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvc-axQTaHM

Here's a question asked by "Lidmotor" from "Skycollection's" multifilar youtube video:

"I don't understand.  How are the six coils connected and how are the LEDs connected to the coils?  The basic complimentary two transistor circuit I am familiar with but the big pancake coil is the mystery.  It is very interesting but we need more information.  Thanks".

Zerofossil fuel asked the same question. The answer is: The six bifilar coils are not connected to one another. They generate power in each other through induction from the single primary!

Neatpete45's ferrite core output coil is not connected to his Bedini power coil either, but still generates plenty of power even though it's nowhere near the magnet rotor.

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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
« Reply #74 on: November 10, 2015, 01:44:17 AM »
Yes is correct.....only one group of the MULTIFILAR PANCAKE COIL is connected to the circuit, the other five groups of pancake coils they are "pickup coils", the group of pancake conneted to the circuit "induces" the voltage to the other groups, is just "inductive coupling effect" in my experiment i connect five leds and i can get light for ten minutes....!
This is an interesting experiment, my multifilar pancake coil is "a transformer" i used in other experiment, ferrite core in the centre of the coil and down and top of the pancake coil and i can get more intensity of the light, i have some videos with information of how to wrap the pancake coils.

 

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