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Author Topic: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?  (Read 36564 times)

Offline Pirate88179

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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
« Reply #45 on: November 07, 2015, 09:38:21 PM »
Hi Bill,
  When YouTube went to the Google Plus it just made life more difficult.  Some people got so frustrated with it they just faded away.  Speaking of that has anyone heard how Jeanna is doing?  I know that she went out in the wilderness a few years ago and built a small place.  Her channel is still up at YouTube but not much activity.

Yes, I have not upload much lately over there.

As far as Jeanna goes, the last I heard what what you have said.  She told me no grid, no internet where she was moving to out in the woods so, that was a long time ago and I have no idea how she is doing.  It would be great if she popped in from time to time to say hello.  I hope she is doing OK out there.

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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
« Reply #45 on: November 07, 2015, 09:38:21 PM »

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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
« Reply #46 on: November 08, 2015, 03:49:42 AM »
Stefan suggested that I take a look at Ben's (K4EZP) pulse motor called the "Thomas Motor".  I vaguely remember it but I am going to build one up today and look at it.  He uses a  ferrite toroid cored coil with a permanent magnet inside the toroid.  Ben did a series of videos on it but this is the one that shows how it works:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s7sM3csFHM
  As I read more it seems that TK you played around a lot with this ORBO type motor.  I guess this is another ancient history item that is just new to me.

I for one am very happy that you are posting here Lidmotor,and i always look forward to see what you have come up with next.

I have been thinking about what the best configuration of coil would be for a pulse motor,and i think it would be one where the run coil produces no EMF,but the trigger coil would have to-to fire the transistor. After watching that video you posted above,i think i have a design that will do just that. So im off to the workshop to try it out.

Looking forward to your findings on the above setup.

Anyway,here is my final video on the Zero force motor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsJIu4TELW4


Brad

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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
« Reply #47 on: November 08, 2015, 06:35:04 AM »
Here is my quick build of Ben's 'Thomas Motor'.  I was able to get the motor to run with the coil windings parallel to the rotor magnets.  The small neo inside the ferrite made it possible.  No magic but interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB5qzs-zGLo
 
Tinman I was sorry to see that your motor didn't improve with the iron cores.  The whole geometry of this weird type of motor just seems wrong.   

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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
« Reply #47 on: November 08, 2015, 06:35:04 AM »
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Offline tinman

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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
« Reply #48 on: November 08, 2015, 11:31:45 AM »
Here is my quick build of Ben's 'Thomas Motor'.  I was able to get the motor to run with the coil windings parallel to the rotor magnets.  The small neo inside the ferrite made it possible.  No magic but interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB5qzs-zGLo
 
Tinman I was sorry to see that your motor didn't improve with the iron cores.  The whole geometry of this weird type of motor just seems wrong.   

Yes,it was interesting to see the iron cores had a negative effect,but the motor design is not very good at all. I think it's a case of the JB camp running out of new idea's ?,so there just throwing together anything that is odd in design but will run-even if very inefficient.

Im thinking the old vacuum cleaner (hoover i think you guy's call them over there)motor(universal motor) would make a good strong pulse motor--will have to look into that one.

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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
« Reply #49 on: November 08, 2015, 03:23:48 PM »
Time to look at this version again from kEhYo:

Partial description;

"The stack of magnets behind the driving coil is in opposition to the rotor. When the driving transistor shuts off, the magnetic field from this stack pushes the rotor away from the TDC".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UlwdLXO3AI

"A Hall sensor turns on a MOSFET transistor on an approaching magnet to neutralize repelling force from the stack of magnets behind the driving coils that push the rotor at Top Dead Center when the power is off. In that moment the coil becomes a generator coil as the core (magnetite powder + iron powder + resin) switches polarity and returns much of the energy back to the battery".


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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
« Reply #50 on: November 08, 2015, 04:00:23 PM »
Here's a picture of JLN's 2Sgen:

Lidmotor's power coil is generating it's own independent 2Sgen kind of power that is not a direct result of rotor induction: This kind of magnet core coil will self loop and charge it's own power capacitor!

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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
« Reply #51 on: November 08, 2015, 04:33:56 PM »
Lidmotor has coupled three separate charging events in his new design: One, a flux alternator powering Maggie; Two, an internal 2Sgen type power coil event and three; A back spike collection from the rotor induced coil collapse. Last but not least, he employs the lateral "Zero Force" winding advantage. Lidmotor's "Power Hog" is blinding the camera! He'll need to camp out back if he self loops.   

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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
« Reply #52 on: November 08, 2015, 05:34:44 PM »
Here is my quick build of Ben's 'Thomas Motor'.  I was able to get the motor to run with the coil windings parallel to the rotor magnets.  The small neo inside the ferrite made it possible.  No magic but interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB5qzs-zGLo
 
Tinman I was sorry to see that your motor didn't improve with the iron cores.  The whole geometry of this weird type of motor just seems wrong.   


Lid - thanks for the link I fixed it. It looks like anyone in my google+ circles was able to reply to my comments but no one else... yes, bad google merger... still you've always been in my friend/following circles so yet another mystery with the google system.
Now, I would have changed this long ago, I have never received a PM from you either in my youtube or google+ or even just comment on one of my videos to give me a heads up... I've checked and re-checked.  Also, just so you know once you mute one of my comments, you mute them all - you must have also gone back to some of your other videos I've commented on and deleted the comments as I have checked.
I'm finished on this topic  -


I'm not sure we can be so dismissive of JB's build as neither you nor brad have actually replicated his build. To me what you have both done is kind of like if the first person who invented a paper airplane typed up his story in a book some kid got ahold of the book grabbed some paper he had laying around, folded it up, threw it off a cliff, it didn't fly and then shout to the town below it doesn't work it's all rubbish!


you both are very talented and each have builds that run under 1mA, I think other than the geometry you note is all wrong, there are several other factors that you yourself could point to that are causing the high amp draw.


Oh - here's a little nugget, Peter's build is also plastic with no core.
I still do not understand the animosity, it's so easy to walk away from any one here who is unbelievable.
I hold no ill will, I'm inspired by many of both your vids and Brad's vids.
Thanks for sharing

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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
« Reply #53 on: November 08, 2015, 05:58:48 PM »
Here's a video of the Heinrich Kunel patent replication:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNDQMMM7gJ4

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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
« Reply #54 on: November 08, 2015, 06:14:27 PM »
Here's another one of neatpete45's videos: Watch what happens when he draws power from the power coil with his ferrite core output coil rather then the magnet rotor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebAgWBKrqrM

Toward the end of neatpete45's video at 3:25, we see a variation of Gadgetmall's "Piggyback Output Coil" that Gadgetmall claimed went Overunity!
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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
« Reply #55 on: November 08, 2015, 06:48:25 PM »
Neatpete45's ferrite core output coil is generating power as a "Kunel" device from double duty use of the power pulse, not magnet rotor induction with the associated "Lenz Drag". Attaching ferrite core "Kunel Type" output coils to the sides of the "Zero Force" power coils should cheat "Lenz Drag" twice!

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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
« Reply #56 on: November 08, 2015, 08:32:20 PM »
Lidmotor shows the inductive "kickback" frying the Reed switch on his Thomas motor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-GzKZvvw4A

@Lidmotor,

Wrapping the core windings bifilar and using one wrap for output like kEhYo's GAP coils, would help relieve this "Reed switch kickback" overload. Try 28 gauge for masking power entwined with 32 gauge for output.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxrJoGZy1to

Quote from kEhYo:

"There are 6 N52 neodymium magnets on the rotor, the driving coils are bilfilar in series, 2 in series, 4 Ohms total resistance and about 15 mH inductance together".

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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
« Reply #57 on: November 09, 2015, 12:10:47 AM »
I wrote and asked kEhYo once about his coil wrap and his answer confused me, but judging from the GAP video it looks like the bifilars are perhaps Tesla series connected and in series with each other also, not separated!

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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
« Reply #58 on: November 09, 2015, 12:37:37 AM »
Fusionchip's AKA (Gadgetmall's) first Bedini replication and "Piggyback Output Coil" looped selfrunner:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LczzeeyfFoA

Compare Fusionchip's "Piggyback Coil" with neatpete45's "Ferrite Core Coil Induction" combination at 3:25 toward the end of his video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebAgWBKrqrM

This combination is "Lenz Free" because it does not involve rotor induction but "Ferrite Resonance"; The output coil is "nowhere near the rotor"!

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Re: JB Zero Force Motor - anyone building?
« Reply #59 on: November 09, 2015, 02:35:58 AM »
Imagine placing neatpete45's ferrite output coil directly behind his ferrite core bifilar Bedini power coil so the ferrite cores touch. This would then be identical to Fusionchip's "Piggyback coil" version, right? Now what would happen if you placed a second ferrite core output coil in the overhead position where neatpete45 placed the first? Would the addition of a second coil divide or multiply the power? Fusionchip uploaded a second video of two piggyback coils and proved they multiply the power! You could bundle those ferrite core output coils around the base of the power coil and hold them in place with a rubber band, and they would help reinforce one another's resonance!

I can tell you what would happen next; Milehigh and Tinselkoala would arrive and try to have the generator placed inside a bomb truck with help from the R.C.M.P.!

 

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