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Offline earthbound0729

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Bedini Energizer Coil Question
« on: October 29, 2015, 03:18:55 AM »
Hello All,
Earthbound here.
I am new to this forum but have been reading a lot of data on the Bedini Energizer and the 8 filar coil arrangement, plus seeing tons of videos. I am in the process of gathering materials to build my coils.
My question is this. In building my other coils (say 5 others) that encircle the wheel rotor, are other trigger coils really needed in each one, or can these coils be wound strictly with the mains only to collect the radiant energy from the field collapse?
My thought is the one trigger coil would be plenty to keep the wheel spinning through the pole reversals that are taking place as each magnet passes by it. I realize that each coil has a ferrous core and the magnets will be attracted to them to some degree, but my supposition is the single coil will be able to over come that attraction, as wound per the Bedini instructions.
Any insight would be appreciated for this newbie.

TY, earthbound

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Bedini Energizer Coil Question
« on: October 29, 2015, 03:18:55 AM »

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Re: Bedini Energizer Coil Question
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2015, 07:43:39 PM »
Hello All,
Earthbound here.
I am new to this forum but have been reading a lot of data on the Bedini Energizer and the 8 filar coil arrangement, plus seeing tons of videos. I am in the process of gathering materials to build my coils.
My question is this. In building my other coils (say 5 others) that encircle the wheel rotor, are other trigger coils really needed in each one, or can these coils be wound strictly with the mains only to collect the radiant energy from the field collapse?
My thought is the one trigger coil would be plenty to keep the wheel spinning through the pole reversals that are taking place as each magnet passes by it. I realize that each coil has a ferrous core and the magnets will be attracted to them to some degree, but my supposition is the single coil will be able to over come that attraction, as wound per the Bedini instructions.
Any insight would be appreciated for this newbie.

TY, earthbound


Simple answer is, you only need one trigger winding. This one trigger winding can trigger all the transistors at once. Try to put your energy collecting/rectifying diode right on the wire of the coil and then a big low impedance wire/cable to the charge batteries.
Cheers, Patrick

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Re: Bedini Energizer Coil Question
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2015, 05:37:50 PM »
Hello Patrick and thank you for this reply.

So for a point of clarification:
1. In adding the other slave coils for collecting purposes only, and being sure they are absolutely lined up angularly to coincide with the magnets all hitting the same point of alignment with each core as they pass-do I actually need any outside supplied voltage for these new slave coils? In the photo below I do see that the drive battery will energize these slave coils as depicted, but if I am only collecting collapsing field energy what is the point of that constant supplied energy?

This is a picture I have seen that seems to at least clarify the picture somewhat.
https://visionblue.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/schaltkreis-multi-coil.jpg

This picture above does not show an inline capacitor for temporary storage nor any way to prevent the battery from leaking energy back to the slave coil, at least as far as I can see. Neither can I discern the protective Neon lamps in this circuit.
Thanks for aiding the noob here.

earthbound.

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Re: Bedini Energizer Coil Question
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2015, 05:37:50 PM »
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Offline minoly

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Re: Bedini Energizer Coil Question
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2015, 01:17:10 AM »
Hello Patrick and thank you for this reply.

So for a point of clarification:
1. In adding the other slave coils for collecting purposes only, and being sure they are absolutely lined up angularly to coincide with the magnets all hitting the same point of alignment with each core as they pass-do I actually need any outside supplied voltage for these new slave coils? In the photo below I do see that the drive battery will energize these slave coils as depicted, but if I am only collecting collapsing field energy what is the point of that constant supplied energy?

This is a picture I have seen that seems to at least clarify the picture somewhat.
https://visionblue.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/schaltkreis-multi-coil.jpg

This picture above does not show an inline capacitor for temporary storage nor any way to prevent the battery from leaking energy back to the slave coil, at least as far as I can see. Neither can I discern the protective Neon lamps in this circuit.
Thanks for aiding the noob here.

earthbound.


hey there earthbound,
that picture does show the energy going to the charge battery all the way on the right side. the battery on the left is the "run/primary" battery that the energizer will run off of. Also, look at the trigger coil and how it is connected to each of the slave coils via a resistor this is why you only need one trigger wire/coil.
hope this helps...

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Re: Bedini Energizer Coil Question
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2015, 03:22:08 PM »
Thank you Patrick for pointing out the clarification for me.
earthbound

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Offline earthbound0729

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Re: Bedini Energizer Coil Question
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2015, 05:02:01 AM »
Another question I have been reading about concerns the batteries. My initial readings included data from years ago which showed everyone using batteries as the way to go with these Bedini Energizers. Since then, it seems it has been discovered that because of the radiant spikes occuring over and over in battery system only, some type of unusual damage occurs to the batteries.
So if that is the case:
1. Could one use a capacitor system only?
2. Or use the capacitors in front of the batteries as some newer systems show to help prevent that radiant damage?

TY,
earthbound

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Re: Bedini Energizer Coil Question
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2015, 05:24:58 PM »
The voltage spikes are pretty hefty. You would need a cap with a rating of neaqr 1000v. Good lead acid batteries can be very tolerant. Have you seen this:
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk
Try chapter 2 and others.


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Offline earthbound0729

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Re: Bedini Energizer Coil Question
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2015, 08:50:00 PM »
Hi Paul-R,

Yes, I had actually downloaded the whole PDF, but there is so much info in there that not everything stuck. So it is definitely a good idea to go back over this data periodically, especially for newbies like me.

Thanks,
earthbound

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Re: Bedini Energizer Coil Question
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2015, 11:37:24 PM »
Paul-R

I have scavenged an 1800 v- 370ma,  .65 uf Resonance capacitor from an older microwave, which should be able to handle those massive energy spikes.
One thing I've noticed is there are no signs of polarity on the tabs of this capacitor. Any reason why?

TY,
earthbound

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Re: Bedini Energizer Coil Question
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2015, 05:21:31 PM »
I think it is because they are in an AC circuit and are not electrolytic caps.

They usually have a shorting resistor situated just under the top plate. It is possible to drill out this resistor but it is a lot of work, bearing in mind that the cap may be oil filled.

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Re: Bedini Energizer Coil Question
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2015, 06:13:23 PM »
Like with audio crossover electrolytic capacitors you can make an AC electrolytic
capacitor by placing two equal electrolytic capacitors back-to-back with opposite
polarity. Oil filled AC capacitors are another possibility. We have been through
enough LENR to know that it may very well be that special processes happen in
water based acid/lead batteries (and not lithium batteries for example) when
presented with high voltage pulses.

Since hydrocarbons repress LENR you would not expect to see LENR based OU
conditions happening in oil-filled capacitors. Electrolytic capacitors are simply
too funky to be used as an experimental metric component. (LENR conditions
may be what is making them act funky.)

Check out using an "antenna" of "dead" sulfated acid/lead batteries as a sensor.
These could very well work by coordinating HV pulses applied to an acid/lead
battery in conjunction with other external processes. 


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Re: Bedini Energizer Coil Question
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2015, 04:58:16 PM »
Thank you both Paul-R and mscoffman, for pointing out these important differences on certain capacitors. I have been writing notes on multiple concepts about different primary things involved in learning about concepts surrounding OU, including coils and their design, differences with capacitors, radiant energy, magnetism, back emf, circuit types. So many different things to incorporate into one's repertoire of new knowledge. I appreciate all of you all's knowledge and expertise, both theoretical and experimental.

So back to the capacitor question:

In order to maximize the use of this design with dc capacitors then, since this is a dc circuit [as most of the designs I have seen, and we'll go on that assumption for now, otherwise a bridge rectifier would have to be used] it seems that:

1. There needs to be a high voltage electrolytic capacitor to intercept the radiant energy spikes right off the bat coming from the Main coils, then
2. A lower voltage electrolytic capacitor(s) [acting as a storage bank] that can be filled by these spikes from that high voltage via some sort of a switching circuit [mechanical, Arduino, 555, comparator, etc], and can be used to provide excess energy back into the circuit or
3. Used to charge a battery of the correct voltage level
4. Or routed to an inverter, etc
5. Or ?

Do these conclusions seem accurate, although facile?

Also, from what I have read other than electrolytic capacitor type, the right capacitor needs to be used at the right point in this setup. The concept of low-ESR vs high-ESR seems to come into play. Add to that the value for Farad also. I have seen some values of uF being as high 200000 and maybe 80-100 volts, and then some being very low fractional uF with very high voltage, then moderate value uF and low voltage anywhere from 2.5 to 50 volts, and it seems everything in between.  I've also read of Super and Ultra capacitors, and also photo flash capacitors.
So all of this can be very confusing in trying to work through the logic in the analysis and understanding of how to implement intelligent design here, especially for those of us not skilled in the art. I just want to thank you all who are proficient and schooled. People like me need your help a lot. I know coming to the forums takes time out of your lives when you could be doing other things.
earthbound

 

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