The video link is to my video showing where I am at build wise. With the attached image, please read the last statement that AB Hammer makes, my research shows I do not know blacksmithing. Mt 125 is not armoring, it is Bessler's drawing and a successful build will prove that Johann Bessler built working wheels.
  I have been heavily criticized for my work and one day hope to find out tinselkoala's identity as I do not support cyber bullying. He discredited work I did that has to do with this understanding of how Bessler's wheel worked.
 And as AB Hammer mentions about my naval service, I went to school for Propulsion Engineering. What he did in the Coast Guard remains a mystery.
  As for his comments that people do not ridicule me for having served in the Navy, he is referring to the constant discrimination that I have had to tolerate because of my service connected hearing loss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aCfloSpyMU

  There is one thing about this build that most would over look, if successful, it would be something that could be considered proof that Bessler was successful. I do have a youtube channel where I'll be posting my work. And since I am posting in a wood working forum, it does require me to improve on my skills even more.
  And on the humorous side of things, a successful build would probably make known the ridicule I tolerated in learning to understand Bessler's work.
 Even Wagner who ridiculed Bessler is known to those familiar with Bessler's work.  :-)
 I do have my own build that I am doing as well. It however might be become best known for it's arch supports. Cathedrals in Europe have problems because of the lack of lateral support. The design I am using might be something worth considering.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6p2S01II-6I2j46qVXnHXg/feed

  There is one sad aspect to this. Technically, pirate88179, ab hammer and tinselkoala should be given credit for this build.
 They told me to prove it. It is how they teach people. It has nothing to do with my working at it because their teaching methods require obedience to them.
 And tinselkoala, since you've never made known who you are publicly, you might only be a computer program. They do exist where they interact
with people and most people can't tell the difference. This is because they don't ask for any specific information. But you have no name and no face.
 And like ab hammer, both of you will target me because of my service connected disabilities. I think that's something people like you over looked, I'm motivated so I can keep people like you and him from ruining my life. There is a reason why I consider my hearing loss a disability and am working to change how the U.S. Veteran's Administration views hearing losses.
 And with ab hammer, I did offer to help him have his knees fixed and he said no. I let my landlord's property manager know about this and he told me that he has no meniscus in his knee. It's very painful for him and he has to work. He has a family to support. So if things work out for me, I'll see if I can't help him to have his knee(s) replaced and also some financial aid since he does have a new car payment. No reason to see his credit  hurt because he needs his knee(s) fixed, is there ?

  The video link is to my video showing where I am at build wise. With the attached image, please read the last statement that AB Hammer makes, my research shows I do not know blacksmithing. Mt 125 is not armoring, it is Bessler's drawing and a successful build will prove that Johann Bessler built working wheels.
  I have been heavily criticized for my work and one day hope to find out tinselkoala's identity as I do not support cyber bullying. He discredited work I did that has to do with this understanding of how Bessler's wheel worked.
 And as AB Hammer mentions about my naval service, I went to school for Propulsion Engineering. What he did in the Coast Guard remains a mystery.
  As for his comments that people do not ridicule me for having served in the Navy, he is referring to the constant discrimination that I have had to tolerate because of my service connected hearing loss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aCfloSpyMU

   AB Hammer,
  This post of your from besslerwheel.com and how smart someone needs to be to realize a Bessler wheel like Mt 125. I posted work at it myself.
This is where your post about bellows in here will show in both forums you have no interest in seeing a Bessler wheel working.
  And the thread where you said I am the ultimate fraud, everyone in that thread had something in common with you, they weren't willing to build something to show Bessler was successful. So Alan, it's not just you, besslerwheel.com has many members who don't want a working Bessler wheel. It's those green dots, the ones that say you're highly regarded, status does need to be protected, doesn't it. And there have been quite a few people who asked the moderator to eliminate voting for your friends.
 And there like here, few people. And in both forums, a small group of people control it. Of course, you're also in both forums as well.

   The 2 pictures shows some of what it takes to build something like this. Since I am using plastic as a water
  barrier, I do need to make sure it is strong enough. With the other picture, the movable part of the bellow
  is shown. I will need to remake those so they align properly with the where the "hinge" will be mounted.
   And when I finish this part, then I will need to make the trim pieces that will secure the plastic and it's 
 covering to the bellows. I do plan on this working which is why I am taking the time to do it right. And once
 the bellows are fully assembled, I will be able to test them. That's the part that I am looking forward to. I am
 hoping I'll be able to get a lot done this weekend.
  And the cut outs in the plywood the bellow assembly sitting on is my own build that I am doing It relies on
 conservation of momentum. It's something that if it works will be a slow roller at best. I have to make arch supports
 for that build. The link is to where I have been posting that build in a wood working forum.

http://www.woodworkingtalk.com/f13/motion-machine-110609/

  The parts shown in the picture are the new parts I made for the bellows. I have them trimmed and routed.
 The routing part allows for a seat for the retainer for the bellow materials. I have prepped the retainers for using #6 screws but may use 3/16 (5mm) dowels instead.
  I will do some destructive testing to see which allows for the strongest seal. And the wire in the picture is a guitar string. With guitar strings, their gauge is actually the diameter in .001 increments of an inch. I may need to use 2 guitar strings to create a proper seal that will hold up.
  I almost find it funny that if it wasn't for my medical hardship, I doubt I would have tolerated the harassment I had to in order to build this. Still, this could be my last build for that reason. As much as I like Bessler's work, the
experts don't get it.

edited toad; uploaded the wrong pic but will show all the parts I have so far that goes into the bellows, so far. I still need to make a few more.  :-)

p.s., the wood pieces with the holes drilled in them will each make 2 retainers for the materials I am using for the bellows. I'll need to separate the parts using my mini-table router. The wood is 1 1/2" wide and the retainers will be between 3/8th's and 7/16th's wide.

  There are 2 things about my showing my work, one is everyone knows what I am doing and 2, if it works, then everyone will know what it takes to build one if they want to try the same build.

Excellent.  Keep doing this and stop attacking folks and you will be fine.

I hope your design works.

Bill

 
   Bill,
  You don't. Read your Heron's Fountain thread.  I like what you say about me, everybody sees right through me. And if anyone reads what I said to Fatbird about you, this is it; Myself, I would recommend people take Bill's suggestion and try this.

  What am I missing Bill ? After all, you also accused me of trash talking, etc. and that's after I posted I recommend people follow your suggestion.
  I think that's attacking someone.

   FatBird,
  The picture you show is from a vidoe you posted. The things shown in the video are not possible.
What they are meant for is to encouracge discussions by people like your self who find them interesting.
 The simplest possible pm device is one that would be based on Heron's Fountain.
 There is a reason why it is called a fountain. In order for it to have this name means that 2,000 years ago,
it would have to have shot water into the air just as a fountain does today.
 What everyone seems to miss is that under pressure, there is no difference between the effects of watr and air except for corrosion.
 Myself, I would recommend people take Bill's suggestion and try this. If it works using water to create air pressure to pump water, then it should work with water presure creating air pressure to pump water. It really is the same thing between pneumatics and hydraulics. It's just that for performing work, hydraulics is more efficient.
 All I can say to you FatBird is to try it. You may be surprised by the outcome and what you might learn.
 But then, there are people more knowledgeable than myself. I mean really, what does it take to calcualte r^2Pi= surface area ? it is nothing new and when combined with h (height), then flow can be determined. it really is centuries old. But today, trying something is going against your friends.
 I am not sure why but ask your friends and they will tell you. Also, it could be Heron didn't have any friends just like Archimedes and his contemporary Pythoras.
 And no, don't ask me about the pythogorean theorem because I know nothing about heresy.
 I prefer to deal with facts, just sk my friwend 
 




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Why do you persist to try to derail folks that are actually doing real experiments here?  If you are not intelligent enough to follow along, i can understand that but, please stop with the trash talk.  We do not put up with that here....you get me?  If you want to contribute something constructive, that is fine...but trashing me and TK is NOT constructive.  Post YOUR fountain that you claim is OU.  Where is it?  Oh...you can't make it but it works right?  Everyone here sees right through you so...please give it up.

Bill

there is something admirable when anyone attempts to redefine previous  and current understanding.
if they are not hurting anyone or themselves and can find some enjoyment in the process, these are the people that deserve to be encouraged to continue with their efforts.

the studying invention motivated experimenter understands that if they make a breakthrough, it will be due to the result of their interpretation being from a different angle of design approach.
one should develop a filter for critical evaluations offered freely by outside influences, being able to filter the useful flow of knowledge they might actually be offering, or at least knowing that is how a critic prefers to be understood.

critics will always see things from their individual and sometimes shared points of view, some are based on practical research, others more based on opinion.
for example: after a caveman invented a wheel, a group of other cavepeople decided to focus on developing a lever to act as a braking system, so no one else would end up injured beyond repair like the original wheel designer was after a practical education in the effects of gravity moments after testing the new method of transportation using a hill.

there are some professional armchair critics that have never attempted to play on a field though, they can be found yelling at their tv screens mostly.
they could've scored that goal, they are usually sure of it.
they could've played a better role than some other actor they just watched on a tv show or at the movies, and are usually very good at trivia.
they race to be first in lines, skip the of idea racing ahead so they can offer to hold doors open for other people, and anyone who knows them, usually would not rely on them to want to change their tune.

there some good critics though too, they wont be found yelling at anyone to jump, instead they will try to be supportive, understanding that emotions can sometimes run high for a critic and for the less critical.
those critics know that there is much they themselves do not know, even if they can hit home runs more often than other teamplayers.
they know they could easily end up in a twisted wreck trying to push the limits of a funnycar at the time trials, so they never make such attempts at developing such a driving skill to be successful outside of baseball.
they are competitive though and want to win, and this motivation can be noticed in just about every occupational field.

sports is entertainment for most people, or a good excuse to get off the couch and go down the street to the park and throw a frisbee around or something.

most people do not have little labs set up in their garages and basements built to evaluate and or redefine theories about physics!
this is rare.
though if safety is always paramount, these are the teamplayers humanity can definitely appreciate for the useful results that raise the bar for the quality of life or making it last longer for everyone.

therefore, if you enjoy your research, please continue as you will seeing things from your own point of view, and understand that that ability might be considered a gift, even if you sometimes are seen and feel like a moth on a window screen, trying to get to a light source.

all the best