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Offline hoppfield

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Re: Bessler's Mt 125
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2015, 04:50:41 AM »
there is something admirable when anyone attempts to redefine previous  and current understanding.
if they are not hurting anyone or themselves and can find some enjoyment in the process, these are the people that deserve to be encouraged to continue with their efforts.

the studying invention motivated experimenter understands that if they make a breakthrough, it will be due to the result of their interpretation being from a different angle of design approach.
one should develop a filter for critical evaluations offered freely by outside influences, being able to filter the useful flow of knowledge they might actually be offering, or at least knowing that is how a critic prefers to be understood.

critics will always see things from their individual and sometimes shared points of view, some are based on practical research, others more based on opinion.
for example: after a caveman invented a wheel, a group of other cavepeople decided to focus on developing a lever to act as a braking system, so no one else would end up injured beyond repair like the original wheel designer was after a practical education in the effects of gravity moments after testing the new method of transportation using a hill.

there are some professional armchair critics that have never attempted to play on a field though, they can be found yelling at their tv screens mostly.
they could've scored that goal, they are usually sure of it.
they could've played a better role than some other actor they just watched on a tv show or at the movies, and are usually very good at trivia.
they race to be first in lines, skip the of idea racing ahead so they can offer to hold doors open for other people, and anyone who knows them, usually would not rely on them to want to change their tune.

there some good critics though too, they wont be found yelling at anyone to jump, instead they will try to be supportive, understanding that emotions can sometimes run high for a critic and for the less critical.
those critics know that there is much they themselves do not know, even if they can hit home runs more often than other teamplayers.
they know they could easily end up in a twisted wreck trying to push the limits of a funnycar at the time trials, so they never make such attempts at developing such a driving skill to be successful outside of baseball.
they are competitive though and want to win, and this motivation can be noticed in just about every occupational field.

sports is entertainment for most people, or a good excuse to get off the couch and go down the street to the park and throw a frisbee around or something.

most people do not have little labs set up in their garages and basements built to evaluate and or redefine theories about physics!
this is rare.
though if safety is always paramount, these are the teamplayers humanity can definitely appreciate for the useful results that raise the bar for the quality of life or making it last longer for everyone.

therefore, if you enjoy your research, please continue as you will seeing things from your own point of view, and understand that that ability might be considered a gift, even if you sometimes are seen and feel like a moth on a window screen, trying to get to a light source.

all the best

  Nothing personal, but you would be amazed at how much Bessler knew. The guy was smart. And in today's terms ?
 He'd still be smart. I think this is something a lot of people over look. After all, William Shakespeare is one of the more
 famous playwrights and he lived in the 1400's. With Bessler, he had an advantage, they were called Newton and Leibniz.

p.s., Leibniz watched a Bessler wheel for a couple of hours. From a scientific perspective, Newton might have been
          the only better reference.

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Re: Bessler's Mt 125
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2015, 04:50:41 AM »

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« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2015, 08:23:21 AM »
  Bill,
 I'm not going to post any more work in here. You and AB Hammer can have the forum.

edited to add; Bill, I think it's funny that neither of you could say you were only talking
                    trash because perpetual motion is not possible. Anyone who would check out
                    any of my previous threads would see I was pursuing perpetual motion.
                     Other people in here posted they thought it was funny. It could be my thinking
                   perpetual motion was funny and not the trash talking I had to tolerate.
                       In a way, that is funny But in AB Hammer's Air Bubble Machine thread, if he would've been willing
                    to discuss that in more detail, we probably could have realized Mt 125 at that time even though we
                    might not have realized that it was Bessler's wheel at that time.
                       If you check his thread, I suggested using collapsing weights which is about what a bellow is. And yes,
                    we probably could have made working perpetual motions at that time, gotten some patents and made some
                    money. His own thread would show I tried working with him as business partners and co-inventors.
                     And that's why I'm building Mt 125 today. No one can claim I'm stealing their invention or anything else. And if
                    someone wants to talk trash and waste more of my time kind of like what you're doing now, it takes a lot to build
                    something like this. Making bellows that don't leak requires me to design them myself. But I don't think but a few
                    people have been committed to doing involved builds of this type.
« Last Edit: October 31, 2015, 02:53:09 PM by hoppfield »

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Re: Bessler's Mt 125
« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2015, 04:17:30 PM »
  There is one sad aspect to this. Technically, pirate88179, ab hammer and tinselkoala should be given credit for this build.
 They told me to prove it. It is how they teach people. It has nothing to do with my working at it because their teaching methods require obedience to them.
 And tinselkoala, since you've never made known who you are publicly, you might only be a computer program. They do exist where they interact
with people and most people can't tell the difference. This is because they don't ask for any specific information. But you have no name and no face.
 And like ab hammer, both of you will target me because of my service connected disabilities. I think that's something people like you over looked, I'm motivated so I can keep people like you and him from ruining my life. There is a reason why I consider my hearing loss a disability and am working to change how the U.S. Veteran's Administration views hearing losses.
 And with ab hammer, I did offer to help him have his knees fixed and he said no. I let my landlord's property manager know about this and he told me that he has no meniscus in his knee. It's very painful for him and he has to work. He has a family to support. So if things work out for me, I'll see if I can't help him to have his knee(s) replaced and also some financial aid since he does have a new car payment. No reason to see his credit  hurt because he needs his knee(s) fixed, is there ?

Lindgaard

 I don't want or need any help from you. I am fully covered by the VA for I am a disabled Veteran.

Now as for your attempt at MT125. I hope you have a lot of fun with your build. Don't hold your breath on it running for it holds the same problem and over 99% of wheels built. What a good builder should be looking into is that less than 1% of possibilities, but there are still lessons to learn in the 99% of designs. 

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« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2015, 07:08:48 PM »
Lindgaard

 I don't want or need any help from you. I am fully covered by the VA for I am a disabled Veteran.

Now as for your attempt at MT125. I hope you have a lot of fun with your build. Don't hold your breath on it running for it holds the same problem and over 99% of wheels built. What a good builder should be looking into is that less than 1% of possibilities, but there are still lessons to learn in the 99% of designs.

   Alan,
  I don't consider you a builder. As for what I am working on, I will mention your posts discrediting Bessler's drawings. I am tired of it.
 Kind of why I posted the Background Radiation Conversion Concept. If pirate88179 and tinselkoala can't prove it wrong, then I will be able
 to show where the 3 of you don't consider the science behind something.
 By the way, how many times have I told you that one of Bessler's drawing was his proof ? I think besslerwheel.com is a good example of
 why he had proof among his drawings. Too many people in that forum would patent it as their invention.
  With me, I am disappointed I haven't been allowed to discuss the engineering behind what Bessler knew.

edited to add; ab hammer, if this works, I'll be able to call you my Wagner. After all, then it would be considered that you passed up an opportunity to make money. I'm not like you. I could use improved financial circumstances.

edited to add; ab hammer, the attached image is the payment I receive for my service connected disability.
                   I doubt you are a disabled veteran because you have posted that a rating of 30% is required before
                  the V.A. will allow a veteran to receive disability payments. And since I have been kept from having
                  a family because of my service connected hearing loss, am tired of people with normal hearing or who
                  have had support for a hearing loss thinking they know everything.   Kind of why there is a word called
                  discrimination in our vocabulary.   :D  It didn't come about by accident.

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« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2015, 01:34:36 AM »
Hay Lindgarrd

To put to rest some more of your BS about what I am supposed to not be. Here is proof of that I am a disabled Veteran but I had to erase the numbers and bar off for security reason.

Note below my picture. VA healthcare enrollee, SERVICE CONNECTED

Now leave this alone for it does not belong in this forum!



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Offline hoppfield

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« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2015, 03:40:38 AM »
Hay Lindgarrd

To put to rest some more of your BS about what I am supposed to not be. Here is proof of that I am a disabled Veteran but I had to erase the numbers and bar off for security reason.

Note below my picture. VA healthcare enrollee, SERVICE CONNECTED

Now leave this alone for it does not belong in this forum!




  That's not my problem. I'm building. And it is a violation of forum rules to say I am building a perpetual motion device and believe it will work. That's strange because in a wood working forum, no harassment. None.
  And if you remember, I am building so I will not have to tolerate discrimination. And even though you don't think I can be successful, I am building and you are not.

edited to add; you showed me yours so I am showing you mine. if you notice, mine has
                    a bigger American flag on it. As for what belongs in this forum, harassing someone who builds
                    seems to go against the purpose of this forum. I'd have to wonder why that's considered
                    a violation of forum rules, you know, doing an open build.

                 And ab hammer,  You have pictures and videos of something. As you say, you do not share   information. Can't work with someone who is a private builder. You know that is my policy.

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« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2015, 06:22:17 AM »
Hey Alan, Remember me ?
I discussed stuff with you rationally back in the day on the discovery sites
(Pete H on American Chopper etc)

I love your work with armor and your other creations.
While I might not agree with you on gravity devices,
I think we are on the same page with this individual.

Obviously, don't sweat it.
He is not smart enough to figure out where any of us are.
He has made that very clear in ALL of his postings.

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« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2015, 02:29:16 PM »
Hey Alan, Remember me ?
I discussed stuff with you rationally back in the day on the discovery sites
(Pete H on American Chopper etc)

I love your work with armor and your other creations.
While I might not agree with you on gravity devices,
I think we are on the same page with this individual.

Obviously, don't sweat it.
He is not smart enough to figure out where any of us are.
He has made that very clear in ALL of his postings.

   Phi,
    AB Hammer lives in Homer, La.  That's not the issue.
   Since Mt 125 is a Bessler wheel, it's Bessler's. ab hammer does not think I have the
  right to exclude him from my build. It's pretty much that simple.
   And as he has said many times, he is a private builder and does not share information.
  And I'll check, you think perpetual motion is not possible and therefore has no potential value.
 ab hammer would disagree with you about that..

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« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2015, 03:01:04 PM »
Hey Alan, Remember me ?
I discussed stuff with you rationally back in the day on the discovery sites
(Pete H on American Chopper etc)

I love your work with armor and your other creations.
While I might not agree with you on gravity devices,
I think we are on the same page with this individual.

Obviously, don't sweat it.
He is not smart enough to figure out where any of us are.
He has made that very clear in ALL of his postings.

Greetings again PIH123

Yes it is good to have productive conversation even if we may no agree. I kinda miss the American Chopper show. When I get over these operations that are still to come. I have a 1955 Triumph that I will be building on for my first full bike build. As for wheels I have one under reconstruction for a shifting timing problem. I released it and it made a full round and faster the second round and after the third round the shiftier tried to shift to soon and cause it no to make the forth round. The new alterations will be done before Christmas and I may be showing the video.

Lindgaard does know I live in Homer LA for we use to have good conversation until he got a bit out of self control. As for his card being different? Lindgaard has the old card. Those who where 50% or greater disability where change first to the new card. The flag size statement was lame. LOL

Alan


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« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2015, 08:32:35 PM »
over unity type forums are one of the only forums where fighting breaks out between complete strangers ....it doesnt make sense to me  ???

no one should have to resort to proving who they are or if they are a veteran , thats personal info and doesnt belong.

theres some top talent on this site . a few days ago I saw pics of scale model engines = jaw dropping
there electronics guys who know their stuff.

Ive never met Bessler , safe to say no one has . If some one wants to build a bessler wheel , its of benefit to us ALL , simply because someone some where is building  ...... the rest of us dont have to.

my hat goes off to everyone whos building some thing no matter what it is . its in people to create some thing.


hearding cats is pointless , I say let everyone go in what ever direction


Bessler ?    I simply dont know ......


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« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2015, 05:33:39 PM »
over unity type forums are one of the only forums where fighting breaks out between complete strangers ....it doesnt make sense to me  ???

no one should have to resort to proving who they are or if they are a veteran , thats personal info and doesnt belong.

theres some top talent on this site . a few days ago I saw pics of scale model engines = jaw dropping
there electronics guys who know their stuff.

Ive never met Bessler , safe to say no one has . If some one wants to build a bessler wheel , its of benefit to us ALL , simply because someone some where is building  ...... the rest of us dont have to.

my hat goes off to everyone whos building some thing no matter what it is . its in people to create some thing.


hearding cats is pointless , I say let everyone go in what ever direction


Bessler ?    I simply dont know ......

   Massive,
  Some people believe that a working perpetual motion invention is worth millions of dollars. While I don't share this belief there are those that want to be first in line. If you consider Sutter's Mill in California, he discovered gold in California. A Gold Rush was on. With perpetual motion, that mentality is at the fore front of what some people are about. And if it's not worth the millions people say, they still want the credit.
 And if you look at my last post in Mt 125 Build links, I have 3 different builds that I am doing. I haven't seen anyone else show a build in progress. I think a part of the reason I am building is so my education won't be wasted.

                                                                                       Jim

edited to add; massive,
 pirate88179, ab hammer and myself have all talked on the phone before, about 9 years ago. and in those 9 years, I haven't seen either one post an open perpetual motion machine build that I am aware of. And today when I checked my mailbox, a wood working magazine was in it. It seems about any time I think Jesus hates me, one shows up in my mailbox.
 And I guess if more people understood the mechanics or engineering behind Bessler's work, they might think about the different builds they could do and what woods/finishes as well. It would be a unique form of wood working but then Bessler was a wood worker himself.   :D

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« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2015, 07:20:09 PM »
   @All,
  I'll explain some of the math behind 2 of my builds. This will be based on a 20" radius.
  The weight moving from bottom center (BDC or 180 degrees) to top center (TDC or 0) degrees) will
 travel a distance if 62.84".
  If the weight moving down becomes over balanced at the 3 o'clock (90 degrees after top dead center or ATDC)
 and is over balanced by 2", it travels 31.42" + 34.562 = 65.982.
  And because a weight rotating 90 degrees essentially requires the energy it generated to be moved back into it's starting position, there is no gain. So it wouldn't work. And what is being over looked is if the weight becomes over balanced above the level of the axle.
  If it's retraction does not start until the weight is level with the axle, then the drop above the level of the axel should be extra or free energy.
  I'm not sure how much anyone likes math or science but the drop vs. the curvature of a weight's path will affect
 f = a(d*t). And in a simple design, this should accurately project the velocity of rotation of a perpetual motion machine. And if the rate of entropy is known, then it might be known before building if there is much of a chance of a design working.  But from what I have seen, math such as this is usually ignored.

edited to add; and since I do build, math does help me to consider the mechanics that I use. Even releasing a weight held in place by a tab requires energy to be expended. And if done poorly, a lot of energy could be wasted.
And this is where with the 2 similar looking builds, on one of themI have redesigned the way the weights are retracted to use the least amount of energy possible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyGU_UY-Z9w

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« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2015, 12:42:25 AM »
I dont know actual dates of Bessler , does he predate watch making etc

Bessler name would not be remembered if he didnt do something

we live in the most corrupt time in history , will history record the mountain of names of crooks in operation today ?

so was Bessler a crook ?    .........all because of a wooden wheel ?    I dont think so , there must be something to it


you want to attempt to recreate something , have a crack at it .... if you can prove he was a scam artist even then your doing something no one has even bothered to do.
 if you can prove theres some genuine physics behind it , your doing something .
either way your gonna find out firsthand

best of luck

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« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2015, 01:30:58 AM »
I dont know actual dates of Bessler , does he predate watch making etc

Bessler name would not be remembered if he didnt do something

we live in the most corrupt time in history , will history record the mountain of names of crooks in operation today ?

so was Bessler a crook ?    .........all because of a wooden wheel ?    I dont think so , there must be something to it


you want to attempt to recreate something , have a crack at it .... if you can prove he was a scam artist even then your doing something no one has even bothered to do.
 if you can prove theres some genuine physics behind it , your doing something .
either way your gonna find out firsthand

best of luck

   massive,
  In besslerwheel.com, there was a fight. A well respected member whose log on is jim_mich started a thread saying ban Jim. AB Hammer joined him. There was actually a fight whether or not I should have been allowed to post in the forum.
 AB Hammer and jim_mich won. Why people supported me was because I was building. I would try to explain some of what Bessler showed in his drawings with actual builds. Those who supported me did so because they wanted to learn more about Bessler's drawings. At besslerwheel.com, they are routinely discredited.
 With me, it is a 2 part equation. One part of it, I am bringing Bessler's work to life. The 2nd part is that I am letting people know that there is much to be learned from his drawings.
 Too many people think of perpetual motion as magic when it's engineering. As for the value in Bessler's work or perpetual motion, it's not a winning lottery ticket.
 And with Mt 125, Heron's Fountain could help to understand flow rates which is quite important. A lot of people think there is nothing to moving water through a pipe but even then, there is a science to that. Kind of why Bessler's work hasn't been realized.

                                                                                      Jim

p.s., I am very biased towards Bessler  :-D

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« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2015, 02:10:06 AM »
   massive,
  In besslerwheel.com, there was a fight. A well respected member whose log on is jim_mich started a thread saying ban Jim. AB Hammer joined him. There was actually a fight whether or not I should have been allowed to post in the forum.
 AB Hammer and jim_mich won. Why people supported me was because I was building. I would try to explain some of what Bessler showed in his drawings with actual builds. Those who supported me did so because they wanted to learn more about Bessler's drawings. At besslerwheel.com, they are routinely discredited.
 With me, it is a 2 part equation. One part of it, I am bringing Bessler's work to life. The 2nd part is that I am letting people know that there is much to be learned from his drawings.
 Too many people think of perpetual motion as magic when it's engineering. As for the value in Bessler's work or perpetual motion, it's not a winning lottery ticket.
 And with Mt 125, Heron's Fountain could help to understand flow rates which is quite important. A lot of people think there is nothing to moving water through a pipe but even then, there is a science to that. Kind of why Bessler's work hasn't been realized.

                                                                                      Jim

p.s., I am very biased towards Bessler  :-D

massive

 James Lindgaard tends to be very one sided. The reason jim_mich  did such is the Jim/James Lindgaard has already been banned several time before. Each time causing trouble. So you have to ask. How many time does someone have to be banned to stay banned? The real question when it deals with James Lindgaard.

 

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