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Mechanical free energy devices => mechanic => Topic started by: fcpeace17 on October 17, 2006, 07:04:08 PM
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Am I the one that is going to study this solely?
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Include me on this topic : what do you guys need to know ? I think it is better for an easy chatting other than thinking alone.
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group-think can be good, just not in the 1984 sense. I have read Peter Lindemanns Secrets to Cold Electricity, I have also watched his 3 hour version which he presented the same information at a lecture at a hotel. I understand there are theories of how he died and if it was foul play. I have heard the relationship that his Circuit has to Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter. From my understanding of Tesla's experiments, he felt powerful shockwaves from his device and it could be turned back into usable energy by meeting with copper? Now how if he was to make such a large transmitter, wouldnt everything metal absorb energy therefore making many things electrically unstable to the touch. ZAP.
Also, on other posts i have heard them say Gray's circuit is close to that of Moray's, I have not studied Moray, so i may need some insight... If there truly is a connection then i would be more than happy to look into his creation. If i am understanding Gray's circuit and Tesla's circuit correctly, if i have a high voltage with the ability to pulse the on off switch at very high frequencies could i reproduce the white streamers that are cold to the touch, while the electrons stay in the system? of course i would not use high voltage when entering into the experiment becasue i would care to live, but as time goes on.
Does Edwin Gray's circuit produce ozone, because i have heard talk of possible ionization, and if i am correct, lightening is a form of ionization. I was under the impression that ionization gave off ozone. Gray said air is very important in his circuit, is this due to having to ionize the air? From what i understand both Tesla's and Gray's ideas were based around lightening, so did both give off ozone, were both ionizing air molecules? I want to get to the bottom of this circuit. Evan
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Am I the one that is going to study this solely?
Lol, no.
I have studied Gray's stuff till blue in the face, what is it you wanted to know or wanted comments on?
I can give you the full theory on it, but I'd rather have you give something first. :)
Does gray's circuit give off ozone?
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Thanks for this info man,
Well if you have more, please share it with us. Pleassse ;)
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Can you explain to me how he put the flat and cone shaped spiral coils in the center of his 'primary'? Did these spiral cone coils have a core around them? Also, did i also hear that when the radiant energy passed over each gap inbetween spirals of the spiral coil it gained energy? It seems like copper would vaporize if used for these high voltage leaps. So i am under the impression that Tesla wasnt interested in picking up the radiant energy in a close system (he tried to rid of the copper that would turn it back into normal stepped up dc) unlike gray who wanted to do a local system. How did Tesla not think that with all this energy radiating out it would be picked up by everything metal therefore causing an electrical potential in all metals, which would cause many people to be electrocuted and the like?Evan
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group-think can be good, just not in the 1984 sense. I have read Peter Lindemanns Secrets to Cold Electricity, I have also watched his 3 hour version which he presented the same information at a lecture at a hotel. I understand there are theories of how he died and if it was foul play. I have heard the relationship that his Circuit has to Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter. From my understanding of Tesla's experiments, he felt powerful shockwaves from his device and it could be turned back into usable energy by meeting with copper? Now how if he was to make such a large transmitter, wouldnt everything metal absorb energy therefore making many things electrically unstable to the touch. ZAP.
Also, on other posts i have heard them say Gray's circuit is close to that of Moray's, I have not studied Moray, so i may need some insight... If there truly is a connection then i would be more than happy to look into his creation. If i am understanding Gray's circuit and Tesla's circuit correctly, if i have a high voltage with the ability to pulse the on off switch at very high frequencies could i reproduce the white streamers that are cold to the touch, while the electrons stay in the system? of course i would not use high voltage when entering into the experiment becasue i would care to live, but as time goes on.
Does Edwin Gray's circuit produce ozone, because i have heard talk of possible ionization, and if i am correct, lightening is a form of ionization. I was under the impression that ionization gave off ozone. Gray said air is very important in his circuit, is this due to having to ionize the air? From what i understand both Tesla's and Gray's ideas were based around lightening, so did both give off ozone, were both ionizing air molecules? I want to get to the bottom of this circuit. Evan
1984 is a nice book (minipax, minitrue, miniluv, miniplenty) :-X. I think Tao is right that Gray & Tesla circuit basically is the same, the differrence is Tesla used coils as secondary coil and Gray used copper tube as "secondary coil". About the HV pulse, this is based from my experiments, there is no streamers come out if there is only HV used (no powerful spark / arc gap). I think there is something in Gray's design of arc gap that he does not disclose in his patents that can make this streamer effect. The patents do not contain any explanation about current and length of the spark / arc gap. And about the ozone, yes it produces a lot of them, this is confirmed by Gray's electrical engineer Richard Hackenberger. You can find his report by googling "Hackenberger Report". The air is important for making spark / arc, and turned to be ozone. To Tao : nice theory, but I think we all have to see the "streamers" effect first before we can test whether it is perpendicular / spiral shape. Is there any theory about arc ?
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I thought i remember them saying about the spark gap there were two magnets on either side which allowed gray to send, choosingly, a positive or negative charge through the output. would the output be the same as the spark gap? so, are you saying grays secondary is 12 in the picture? the "grid around 12 which comes from the spark gap, i was under the impression this somehow also picked up the charge. also exactly is a leyden jar? Evan
ps. "he discovered carbon electrodes on nitrogen medium were the best on avoiding electron flow. " is this true about tesla, i read it in the steve marks forum? if so how did he use them to his advantage? Were the magnets tesla used across the spark gap of like polarity, how did this repel the electrons from coming out and only allow the aether? Evan II (edit)
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I thought i remember them saying about the spark gap there were two magnets on either side which allowed gray to send, choosingly, a positive or negative charge through the output. would the output be the same as the spark gap? so, are you saying grays secondary is 12 in the picture? the "grid around 12 which comes from the spark gap, i was under the impression this somehow also picked up the charge. also exactly is a leyden jar? Evan
I never hear anything about Gray using magnets in the spark gap, as far as I know the magnets only used in the motor. In the patent 12 is "primary coil", 34a & 34b are "secondary coil", and space between 12 and 32 is the spark gap.
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sorry, it was tesla with the magnetically quenched spark gap, why did he do this? what allows grey not to have to do this? is it because as soon as ed allowed radiant energy to be seen he would turn it into usable electrical energy unlike tesla? Evan
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sorry, it was tesla with the magnetically quenched spark gap, why did he do this?
Tesla didn't have our current electronics, he had to improvise. Tesla used an electromagnet with metal tips going near the spark gap and he would turn on the magnet just as the spark appeared to QUENCH it IN THE GAP. In addition Tesla used hot air from candles and rotating spark gaps to accomplish these same things.....
what allows grey not to have to do this?
Gray used a thyratron and other new electrical means, plus Gray tied the positive of the HV cap and the positive of the 12V battery, this and the thyratron allowed for him not needing the quenched spark gaps and such...
Hey, this comparison between Tesla's magnetic quenched gap and Gray's thyratron trigerred gap made a good idea. For those "poor man experimenter" of Gray's circuit can use a magnetic quenched gap for stopping the arc, this is based on Lorentz force that act on the arc. It just needs a proper trigger circuit to start the arc, but I think this will be much cheaper than using thyratron tube.
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sorry, it was tesla with the magnetically quenched spark gap, why did he do this?
Tesla didn't have our current electronics, he had to improvise. Tesla used an electromagnet with metal tips going near the spark gap and he would turn on the magnet just as the spark appeared to QUENCH it IN THE GAP. In addition Tesla used hot air from candles and rotating spark gaps to accomplish these same things.....
what allows grey not to have to do this?
Gray used a thyratron and other new electrical means, plus Gray tied the positive of the HV cap and the positive of the 12V battery, this and the thyratron allowed for him not needing the quenched spark gaps and such...
is it because as soon as ed allowed radiant energy to be seen he would turn it into usable electrical energy unlike tesla? Evan
Well, Tesla certainly used the radiant energy differently then Gray did. One thing is in common though, those both used this radiant energy in INDUCTIVE loads.
Gray used the inductive coils on his motor, but he also had a simple inductive transformer which lead to resistive loads like the light bulbs he placed in water.
This is also what Tesla did, he used inductive transformers to then feed resistive and other loads.
@ Tao
when you say "Quench it in the Gap" what does that mean, waht is the purose of quenching the gap? does "splitting the positive" have to do with how he would tie the positive of the HV cap and the positive of the 12 V battery, if so why did he do this? i know how an inductive coil works but how does an inductive transformer work?
@Wicaksono
is the magneticly quenched gap as accurate, or does it need finer tuning? Evan
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@Wicaksono
is the magneticly quenched gap as accurate, or does it need finer tuning? Evan
Compared to thyratron (electronic) Gray's method, it is not so accurate. There are many factors involved such as air (temperature, pressure, humidity, ...), and arc instability that make difficult to set a tuned single frequency / pulse period. This makes fine tunings & a lot of experiments are needed.
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so do you think there is a way to build what tesla was using, from a tesla coil modification? would an implimentation of a thyratron in a tesla coil do this? I woner what "blowing" the spark out has to do with producing the effect.. hmmm. the reason i ask about the tesla coil is because i am in the middle of building one with IEEE and i could do a mod. after we build it if it is at all possible. Is the electro-radiant event only present with High Voltage? Evan
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@Wicaksono
is the magneticly quenched gap as accurate, or does it need finer tuning? Evan
Compared to thyratron (electronic) Gray's method, it is not so accurate. There are many factors involved such as air (temperature, pressure, humidity, ...), and arc instability that make difficult to set a tuned single frequency / pulse period. This makes fine tunings & a lot of experiments are needed.
by this do you mean the thyratron is moore accurate or less? sorry :P Evan
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"Tesla used an electromagnet with metal tips going near the spark gap and he would turn on the magnet just as the spark appeared to QUENCH it IN THE GAP."
Well this is next to impossible, because you can never time the electro magnet correct, because of the randomness of the spark. Plus the steel is not fast enough magnetizable by far. Too high frequency for normal steel. So the electro magnet was ?full on? all the time. Nowadays it can probably be replaced by neodymium magnets.
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"Tesla used an electromagnet with metal tips going near the spark gap and he would turn on the magnet just as the spark appeared to QUENCH it IN THE GAP."
Well this is next to impossible, because you can never time the electro magnet correct, because of the randomness of the spark. Plus the steel is not fast enough magnetizable by far. Too high frequency for normal steel. So the electro magnet was ?full on? all the time. Nowadays it can probably be replaced by neodymium magnets.
So, the magnets WERE on the whole time?
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I don't see another way... Pulsing the electro magnets on the exact precise moment as the spark almost crossed the gap just is not doable with slow steel. Steel simply is not instantly fully magnetized, and a spark speed of ultra mega short duration and frequency just can?t be reached with steel (probably non other material as well) And I don't think that materials like metglass were used ^_^ hell, using laminates was a luxury back then. And because they only had hard steel magnets in those day's they had to use electro magnets to create strong magnetic fields. So maybe today neodymium magnets can do the trick. Don't know what field strength is required though. Keep also in mind that the "tips" of the magnets, close to the spark gap need to be insulated with something like mica, which has good insulating properties and is greatly heat resistant. And can be shaped. If not used, the spark might jump to the magnet.. If not used, the spark might jump to the magnet.
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currently i am working on building a tesla coil and i was wondering if when it was up and running, if the circuit could somehow be used in part of the gray schmatic... mabey im wrong and the only thing they have in common is the quenched spark gap and high voltage.Evan
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I mean no offense but i don't think the gray device is do-able, I think it works and you could drive a car on next to no energy-- but the arc gap would screw up every wire-less network,cell phones and radio stations for miles.That's probably why they shut him down, in this day and age of infomation that kind of RF interference would not be tolerated, unless you could shield it for zero interference.
just a thought
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would an RF ground do away with this problem... while also doing away with the electro-radiant event itself? that = bad.
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Hi folks,
I am new to this forum and thought that " I " was the only one who cared about Ed Gray's motor. I purchased Peter L's latest edition of the Cold Electricity book and the last 4 pages contain, according to John Bedini, the exact circuit that Ed showed to John along with drawings of the " CSET " switching element tube. I am currently sourcing the components and believe this motor, possibly along with some of Bedini's technology, is the way to go for very high efficiency if not OU. Also, Bedini and Bearden's book, latest edition, Free energy Generation, circuits and schematics, probably contains everything we all need to make this work. Read the books, experiment, and post what you learn. This is how we beat the " misinformationists " who have taken over so many forums. It's less than 80 dollars for both books, anyone not willing to part with the money is not serious about energy or the possibility of OU. Let's get to work.
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Is there anyone making this spark tube specified in the patent? OR... Is there any one selling these tubes made to the the patent specs? OR.... Are there any existing tubes made for other purposes which can be used in place of the tube patented by Gray in his circuit?
Appearantly, the tube in this circuit is where it happens. The remainder is all typical stuff, transformers, diodes, batteries. I just don't feel like getting into glass blowing. Any help out there?
-sNick
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vne31,
You talked of John Bedini and the EV Gray Motor, did you ever ask John about some of your questions? or concerns on this EV Gray Motor? If you feel that john has some information you may need, by all means get with him. If you don't have a way to get with him I will do what I can to ask him, I know him. There are a few people that I know that are involved with this EV Gray Motor, I really don't know of anyone who has one built at this time, but I know some people that have a lot of theory covered on the EV Gray Motor at this time.
Has anyone here done any constructing of the motor yet, or is everyone in the thought stage?
I am not up on it as there are other interesting things going on with motors, I just came on this link see what was going on. I am sure you have a lot of good minds working on this project.
Regards
Trump
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Bedini and Bearden's book, latest edition, Free energy Generation, circuits and schematics, probably contains everything we all need to make this work.
If their book contained everything needed to get overunity, then *THEY* would already have overunity.
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i think the secret is in the circuit, not the motor, it is the circuit that is making this happen the motor is just application to run a load on. Does anyone remember how quick it was that in Peter L.'s book, gray and tesla pulsed their circuits? Evan
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Hello,
I hope I find someone here interested in Ed Gray's power source.
I think all the information needed to replicate Ed Gray's power source is in:
1. Peter Lindemann book: the free energy secrets of cold electricity
2. http://merlib.org/files/pgfed/D1.pdf for info on the tube.
3. http://www.pureenergysystems.com/os/EdGrayMotor/PM_PEM_MG/plans/proto1GM/index.html#Circuit%20Subsection%203C
for a working prototype. This gives almost all components details.
My problem in understanding the prototype is in the "Circuit Subsection 3B" part.
You can see there capacitor #1 and a diode in parallel. You can see those two element in the previous part "Working Drawing #3A". BUT In #3B there is a diode (drawn horizontally) which is not in the Peter Lindemann circuit. I don't know why that diode is there and most important where the left extreme of that diode is connected to.
Anyone can help me with this?
Thanks.
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Hi, just found this site and would like to contribute to the cause. I've been trying for the last few years to get this thing built off and on an would like to get it done. I'll look threw the forums and post again once I know what you guys have done so far.
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would an RF ground do away with this problem... while also doing away with the electro-radiant event itself? that = bad.
EV Gray Effect is very much manifested in the Bedini Patents disclosed in the public by way of their new book ....just one needs to tinker on them like how John says.
it is all about Shutteling of Energy and Fractionation concept.
Belive me Stanley Meyer WFC patent is co-related to the EV Gary Electro-Radiant Energy Infusion in very clever way!!!!!
Meyer used Water to inpart the excess infusion Energy in a manner that apparently defys The Electrochemistry of the process involved.
He causes RADIANT ENERGY (Universal Energy as he call it)to evoke form the very bulk of the H2O Molecule by way of Fractionation of the H2O molecular Dipolarity. (Please do'nt ask me for any more clue on this I'm in the process of designing my own Patent to incorporate such Amplification effect to come up with another contraption.)
for all those who keep the faith in the research keep up the good work, the dawn of this revolutanary Energy Technology is not far.
cheers
Navneet.
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hey guys sorry to barge in
after numerous calculations and synthesys>>> i think i found us a way to get real free energy
>> stay tuned
i will be needing as much feedback as possible from you
lets do it together
i guess that this is the purpose of this forum anyway
i stand on grounds that >> many of our predecessors have opened ways but they all got stuck in their single lined research thus were unable to see the bigger picture
please feel free to join in
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3029.new.html#new
any contextual input will be welcomed
thanks in advance
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Hello.
All Gray-technology video on this page:
http://www.matri-x.ru/video.shtml
and patents:
http://www.matri-x.ru/energy.shtml
Best regards, FastRuner.
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I mean no offense but i don't think the gray device is do-able, I think it works and you could drive a car on next to no energy-- but the arc gap would screw up every wire-less network,cell phones and radio stations for miles.That's probably why they shut him down, in this day and age of infomation that kind of RF interference would not be tolerated, unless you could shield it for zero interference.
just a thought
Hi there buddy,
good observation. Gray himself stated that the circuits in the car would not work as previously designed. They would have to conform to the "Radiant" electricty. This phenemena has also been noted with the Tesla Switch, by Ron Brandt whose car used to interfere with other passing cars and close proximity small power installations. Perhaps that is why he conferred with John Bedini and Eike Mueller to redesign the system. (only My opinion on that one)
As these phenomena work on the well know dielectric principle (re Eric Dollard and Steinmetz book), it becomes self evident that what we are dealing with in regards to "Electricity", is a one sided propagation of Physics. Therefore, as the dielectric notion of emf, as proposed by Steinmetz, and, investigated by Eric Dollard, is at a 45 degree (?) phase difference, there has to be a rationalisation of the local effect of concurrent emf forces. Considering that the dielectric effect appears to be more "capacitive" in nature than induction, it would therefore lead to a hypothesis that when we used "Regular" power from the grid, we are indeed only using part of the process. As an integral part of the possible homogenous "Electricity" mix is missing. So when someone comes along and starts up their Capacitive Dielectric energy, something has to give. Copper Magnets!!
regards
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Am I the one that is going to study this solely?
No. You are not the first. I shall look up some links later. In the meantime google Mark MacKay. He more than any one person has researched the Gray motor. I think that there is a good series of explanations on the Energetic forum. Also, there is a very good description of the motors and hypotheses in a pdf file. I have a copy somewhere on my computer and will upload it later.
It will be clear from his research, that the originator of the technology - Marvin cole - was the man. Gray himself was a dud as far as electronics was concerned. Gray was the Flim Flam man.
This does not mean the Gray Motor did not work. It is just that Marvin Cole disappeared before the project was completed. No one else knew what he was up to. Since this time, many people have extrapolated the notion of the magical Gray motor into some sort of "Holy Grail" for the explanation of Radiant Energy.
I'll be in touch, just in case you crack the code, so to speak!
Regards