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Author Topic: Ed Gray's Circuit, am I in this alone?  (Read 25368 times)

Offline fcpeace17

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Ed Gray's Circuit, am I in this alone?
« on: October 17, 2006, 07:04:08 PM »
Am I the one that is going to study this solely?

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Re: Ed Gray's Circuit, am I in this alone?
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2006, 06:04:18 PM »
Include me on this topic : what do you guys need to know ? I think it is better for an easy chatting other than thinking alone.

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Re: Ed Gray's Circuit, am I in this alone?
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2006, 06:08:48 PM »
group-think can be good, just not in the 1984 sense. I have read Peter Lindemanns Secrets to Cold Electricity, I have also watched his 3 hour version which he presented the same information at a lecture at a hotel. I understand there are theories of how he died and if it was foul play. I have heard the relationship that his Circuit has to Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter. From my understanding of Tesla's experiments, he felt powerful shockwaves from his device and it could be turned back into usable energy by meeting with copper? Now how if he was to make such a large transmitter, wouldnt everything metal absorb energy therefore making many things electrically unstable to the touch. ZAP.
Also, on other posts i have heard them say Gray's circuit is close to that of Moray's, I have not studied Moray, so i may need some insight... If there truly is a connection then i would be more than happy to look into his creation. If i am understanding Gray's circuit and Tesla's circuit correctly, if i have a high voltage with the ability to pulse the on off switch at very high frequencies could i reproduce the white streamers that are cold to the touch, while the electrons stay in the system? of course i would not use high voltage when entering into the experiment becasue i would care to live, but as time goes on.
Does Edwin Gray's circuit produce ozone, because i have heard talk of possible ionization, and if i am correct, lightening is a form of ionization. I was under the impression that ionization gave off ozone. Gray said air is very important in his circuit, is this due to having to ionize the air? From what i understand both Tesla's and Gray's ideas were based around lightening, so did both give off ozone, were both ionizing air molecules? I want to get to the bottom of this circuit. Evan

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Offline fcpeace17

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Re: Ed Gray's Circuit, am I in this alone?
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2006, 09:22:43 PM »
Am I the one that is going to study this solely?

Lol, no.

I have studied Gray's stuff till blue in the face, what is it you wanted to know or wanted comments on?

I can give you the full theory on it, but I'd rather have you give something first. :)
Does gray's circuit give off ozone?

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Re: Ed Gray's Circuit, am I in this alone?
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2006, 10:28:00 PM »
Thanks for this info man,
Well if you have more, please share it with us. Pleassse ;)

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Re: Ed Gray's Circuit, am I in this alone?
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2006, 03:42:39 AM »
Can you explain to me how he put  the flat and cone shaped spiral coils in the center of his 'primary'? Did these spiral cone coils have a core around them? Also, did i also hear that when the radiant energy passed over each gap inbetween spirals of the spiral coil it gained energy? It seems like copper would vaporize if used for these high voltage leaps. So i am under the impression that Tesla wasnt interested in picking up the radiant energy in a close system (he tried to rid of the copper that would turn it back into normal stepped up dc) unlike gray who wanted to do a local system. How did Tesla not think that with all this energy radiating out it would be picked up by everything metal therefore causing an electrical potential in all metals, which would cause many people to be electrocuted and the like?Evan

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Re: Ed Gray's Circuit, am I in this alone?
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2006, 04:14:29 PM »
group-think can be good, just not in the 1984 sense. I have read Peter Lindemanns Secrets to Cold Electricity, I have also watched his 3 hour version which he presented the same information at a lecture at a hotel. I understand there are theories of how he died and if it was foul play. I have heard the relationship that his Circuit has to Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter. From my understanding of Tesla's experiments, he felt powerful shockwaves from his device and it could be turned back into usable energy by meeting with copper? Now how if he was to make such a large transmitter, wouldnt everything metal absorb energy therefore making many things electrically unstable to the touch. ZAP.
Also, on other posts i have heard them say Gray's circuit is close to that of Moray's, I have not studied Moray, so i may need some insight... If there truly is a connection then i would be more than happy to look into his creation. If i am understanding Gray's circuit and Tesla's circuit correctly, if i have a high voltage with the ability to pulse the on off switch at very high frequencies could i reproduce the white streamers that are cold to the touch, while the electrons stay in the system? of course i would not use high voltage when entering into the experiment becasue i would care to live, but as time goes on.
Does Edwin Gray's circuit produce ozone, because i have heard talk of possible ionization, and if i am correct, lightening is a form of ionization. I was under the impression that ionization gave off ozone. Gray said air is very important in his circuit, is this due to having to ionize the air? From what i understand both Tesla's and Gray's ideas were based around lightening, so did both give off ozone, were both ionizing air molecules? I want to get to the bottom of this circuit. Evan
1984 is a nice book (minipax, minitrue, miniluv, miniplenty) :-X. I think Tao is right that Gray & Tesla circuit basically is the same, the differrence is Tesla used coils as secondary coil and Gray used copper tube as "secondary coil". About the HV pulse, this is based from my experiments, there is no streamers come out if there is only HV used (no powerful spark / arc gap). I think there is something in Gray's design of arc gap that he does not disclose in his patents that can make this streamer effect. The patents do not contain any explanation about current and length of the spark / arc gap. And about the ozone, yes it produces a lot of them, this is confirmed by Gray's electrical engineer Richard Hackenberger. You can find his report by googling "Hackenberger Report". The air is important for making spark / arc, and turned to be ozone. To Tao : nice theory, but I think we all have to see the "streamers" effect first before we can test whether it is perpendicular / spiral shape. Is there any theory about arc ?

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Re: Ed Gray's Circuit, am I in this alone?
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2006, 05:32:31 PM »
I thought i remember them saying about the spark gap there were two magnets on either side which allowed gray to send, choosingly, a positive or negative charge through the output. would the output be the same as the spark gap? so, are you saying grays secondary is 12 in the picture? the "grid around 12 which comes from the spark gap, i was under the impression this somehow also picked up the charge. also exactly is a leyden jar? Evan
ps. "he discovered carbon electrodes on nitrogen medium were the best on avoiding electron flow. " is this true about tesla, i read it in the steve marks forum? if so how did he use them to his advantage? Were the magnets tesla used across the spark gap of like polarity, how did this repel the electrons from coming out and only allow the aether? Evan II (edit)

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Re: Ed Gray's Circuit, am I in this alone?
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2006, 02:22:34 PM »
I thought i remember them saying about the spark gap there were two magnets on either side which allowed gray to send, choosingly, a positive or negative charge through the output. would the output be the same as the spark gap? so, are you saying grays secondary is 12 in the picture? the "grid around 12 which comes from the spark gap, i was under the impression this somehow also picked up the charge. also exactly is a leyden jar? Evan
I never hear anything about Gray using magnets in the spark gap, as far as I know the magnets only used in the motor. In the patent 12 is "primary coil", 34a & 34b are "secondary coil", and space between 12 and 32 is the spark gap.

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Re: Ed Gray's Circuit, am I in this alone?
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Re: Ed Gray's Circuit, am I in this alone?
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2006, 09:04:16 PM »
sorry, it was tesla with the magnetically quenched spark gap, why did he do this? what allows grey not to have to do this? is it because as soon as ed allowed radiant energy to be seen he would turn it into usable electrical energy unlike tesla? Evan

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Re: Ed Gray's Circuit, am I in this alone?
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2006, 02:38:42 PM »
sorry, it was tesla with the magnetically quenched spark gap, why did he do this?
Tesla didn't have our current electronics, he had to improvise. Tesla used an electromagnet with metal tips going near the spark gap and he would turn on the magnet just as the spark appeared to QUENCH it IN THE GAP. In addition Tesla used hot air from candles and rotating spark gaps to accomplish these same things.....
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what allows grey not to have to do this?
Gray used a thyratron and other new electrical means, plus Gray tied the positive of the HV cap and the positive of the 12V battery, this and the thyratron allowed for him not needing the quenched spark gaps and such...
Hey, this comparison between Tesla's magnetic quenched gap and Gray's thyratron trigerred gap made a good idea. For those "poor man experimenter" of Gray's circuit can use a magnetic quenched gap for stopping the arc, this is based on Lorentz force that act on the arc. It just needs a proper trigger circuit to start the arc, but I think this will be much cheaper than using thyratron tube.

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Re: Ed Gray's Circuit, am I in this alone?
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2006, 04:06:24 PM »
sorry, it was tesla with the magnetically quenched spark gap, why did he do this?

Tesla didn't have our current electronics, he had to improvise. Tesla used an electromagnet with metal tips going near the spark gap and he would turn on the magnet just as the spark appeared to QUENCH it IN THE GAP. In addition Tesla used hot air from candles and rotating spark gaps to accomplish these same things.....


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what allows grey not to have to do this?

Gray used a thyratron and other new electrical means, plus Gray tied the positive of the HV cap and the positive of the 12V battery, this and the thyratron allowed for him not needing the quenched spark gaps and such...


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is it because as soon as ed allowed radiant energy to be seen he would turn it into usable electrical energy unlike tesla? Evan

Well, Tesla certainly used the radiant energy differently then Gray did. One thing is in common though, those both used this radiant energy in INDUCTIVE loads.

Gray used the inductive coils on his motor, but he also had a simple inductive transformer which lead to resistive loads like the light bulbs he placed in water.

This is also what Tesla did, he used inductive transformers to then feed resistive and other loads.
@ Tao
when you say "Quench it in the Gap" what does that mean, waht is the purose of quenching the gap? does "splitting the positive" have to do with how he would tie the positive of the HV cap and the positive of the 12 V battery, if so why did he do this? i know how an inductive coil works but how does an inductive transformer work?
@Wicaksono
is the magneticly quenched gap as accurate, or does it need finer tuning? Evan

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Re: Ed Gray's Circuit, am I in this alone?
« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2006, 10:10:19 AM »
@Wicaksono
is the magneticly quenched gap as accurate, or does it need finer tuning? Evan

Compared to thyratron (electronic) Gray's method, it is not so accurate. There are many factors involved such as air (temperature, pressure, humidity, ...), and arc instability that make difficult to set a tuned single frequency / pulse period. This makes fine tunings & a lot of experiments are needed.

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Re: Ed Gray's Circuit, am I in this alone?
« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2006, 02:06:54 PM »
so do you think there is a way to build what tesla was using, from a tesla coil modification? would an implimentation of a thyratron in a tesla coil do this? I woner what "blowing" the spark out has to do with producing the effect.. hmmm. the reason i ask about the tesla coil is because i am in the middle of building one with IEEE and i could do a mod. after we build it if it is at all possible. Is the electro-radiant event only present with High Voltage? Evan

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Re: Ed Gray's Circuit, am I in this alone?
« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2006, 02:08:42 PM »
@Wicaksono
is the magneticly quenched gap as accurate, or does it need finer tuning? Evan

Compared to thyratron (electronic) Gray's method, it is not so accurate. There are many factors involved such as air (temperature, pressure, humidity, ...), and arc instability that make difficult to set a tuned single frequency / pulse period. This makes fine tunings & a lot of experiments are needed.
by this do you mean the thyratron is moore accurate or less? sorry  :P Evan

 

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