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Title: Donald L Smith Device
Post by: axel700 on October 22, 2015, 01:40:56 AM
Hi, I tried to build a Donald Smith Device like this one:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_xGfQp3zw3WE/TCjnvo9v8yI/AAAAAAAAAB4/10GjIG1gKY4/s1600/don3.jpg (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_xGfQp3zw3WE/TCjnvo9v8yI/AAAAAAAAAB4/10GjIG1gKY4/s1600/don3.jpg)

However, I can't make it to properly work. Could you please help me to figure out the problem? I would like to contact you through email as well, so if possible please share your emails.[/font][/color]
Title: Re: Donald L Smith Device
Post by: mscoffman on October 22, 2015, 05:37:48 PM
HI;

Could you state your age and technical background. This is a moderate power High Voltage! device
and I would like to see that you have the knowledge to handle it. Also I can help you to get it to
function but any overunity energy production would be your department. In general I can *not*
guarantee overunity energy production, that's between you and Don Smith :-).

:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: Donald L Smith Device
Post by: hope-hope on October 22, 2015, 06:57:47 PM

Hello everyone !


As stated before security caution have to be done before going so far in this high power device! i have a special idea about this device and it's published as free open source document : www.free-energy-info.com/Mohamed.pdf

i am developing the idea in this thread   http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19857-resonance-energy-device-explained-15.html , so feel free to join us there or just post here or even email me ! but the most important is this is an open project! anyone success in achieving high power using my idea have to post the detail about his method..

Regards  ;)

Title: Re: Donald L Smith Device
Post by: mscoffman on October 22, 2015, 09:21:10 PM
 
Thanks Hope_hope;
I knew I saw the schematic for this somewhere! I just did'nt want a newbie to put his circuit
online only to immediately be zapped by it's high output. This is a classic High Voltage
Tesla Coil with purpose designed RF transformer for final coil resonator. It may actually
work by attracting free electrons from the environment. It uses "radical" regagement of  E and I.
As in  E * I = W(atts)
I think Don Smith used a mobile 12V neon sign inverter/transformer equivalent to your
schematic circuit.
 
One would have to measure the output voltage and power to find an appropriate
(solar) HVDC inverter to power a recharger to recharge the 12V battery and close the loop
between the output and the battery. Many people have discussed how the big capacitors
seem to have something to do with overunity too. Unfortunately the big ultility line capacitors
of adaqute power rating may or may not have an adaqute ESR rating, depending on their
specifications, to handle the RF frequencies involved here.  So the circuit should definitely
function. But can it achieve the effiency required for overunity? That, the builders will
have to find out.
 
 :S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: Donald L Smith Device
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on October 22, 2015, 09:35:34 PM
Hi, I tried to build a Donald Smith Device like this one:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_xGfQp3zw3WE/TCjnvo9v8yI/AAAAAAAAAB4/10GjIG1gKY4/s1600/don3.jpg (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_xGfQp3zw3WE/TCjnvo9v8yI/AAAAAAAAAB4/10GjIG1gKY4/s1600/don3.jpg)

However, I can't make it to properly work. Could you please help me to figure out the problem? I would like to contact you through email as well, so if possible please share your emails.[/font][/color]
       Is there now, or was there, a wiring schematic that you worked from?  Especially for that particular device?   Having one to try and compare with your prototype device might help to understand what's wrong with it.

--Lee
Title: Re: Donald L Smith Device
Post by: hope-hope on October 23, 2015, 01:27:41 PM



Hello everyone !

i really have a bad connection here  :o so just a quick reply, the device of Donald smith is really very important since it's small in size, provide a good power output, not expensive , can be built anywhere in the world, produce ozone gas... in this last point it's better to take a look at one of Tesla patent about producing ozone so it will be clear there's a capacitive arrangement there  ;D, in my point of view the extended Tesla bifilar coil is the key for his device, i already invented another amazing coil called the mixed E-TBC or the mixed extended Tesla bifilar coil, this coil is able to produce voltage in one side and current in another side, more info in energetic forum where a lots of detail is there ...

the capacitor bank in Smith device has an enhancement role but any big capacitor can be charged if the resonance is achieved, this mean he used a special capacitor made exactly the same as the concept behind the E-TBC ! what does this mean ? this mean treating the capacitor as coil in one side so they will be charged very quickly .. ordinary chemical capacitor are made to avoid the inductance of foil so the internal connection inside them can be found in the middle but in Smith special made capacitor the connection will be found in the edge !!

just open any ordinary polarized capacitor and you will see where is the contact inside, the secret is related to the wrong concept of displacement current  what make any capacitor to be charged is the induced rotating electric field not the displacement current ! the same as the E-TBC where this field play a critical role, there's a simple experiment i did show this phenomena , so if the capacitor is treated as a coil it will be charged very soon !         
Title: Re: Donald L Smith Device
Post by: axel700 on November 05, 2015, 02:51:11 AM
Hi, i buld the following schematic (attachment).

I used:

-1 neon power supply CPI-10035, 10kV output at 35mA
-2 capacitors of .47uF at 16000V
-Primary coil  2.2uH (L1)
-Secondary coil, 2 of 12uH (L2)
-1 capacitor bank of 15kV at .2uf
-4 diodes to build a diode bridge

However, the circuit doesn't work. It is supposed to function when resonance in the circuit is achieved, so I believe that the values for both coils and capacitors doesn't match the neon power supply frequency, thus I would like to know  these values. Also, this Donald Smith device output delivers just enough power to turn on a 20mA LED.
Title: Re: Donald L Smith Device
Post by: Paul-R on November 05, 2015, 05:43:02 PM
so I believe that the values for both coils and capacitors doesn't match the neon power supply frequency
I don't think you can expect to get the degree of tuning required simply by inserting the right circuit values. You need variable components so that you can tune them manually to get prpoer resonant tuning.
Title: Re: Donald L Smith Device
Post by: hope-hope on November 07, 2015, 04:54:57 PM

Hello :)

i will just give my point of view ! the first thing we have to think about is the formation of standing waves inside Donald Smith device.. if these waves is related to the wire length or they will be just  formed automatically, OK this seem to be strange but before all please watch the full video about displacement current the new concept, here you are my video :

https://youtu.be/PyyTv2r1xlY 

the above concept prove that Donald smith used a special device and not an ordinary coil in parallel with a capacitor ! in smith device just making the secondary 4 time length more than the primary cause a perfect tuning without the need for using a very high frequency! this can be done even in 1 MHZ frequency, he used an E-TBC where the magnetism and electricity is related in electrostatic induction not electromagnetic induction ..     
Title: Re: Donald L Smith Device
Post by: FatBird on November 08, 2015, 09:30:37 PM
I spent a LOT Of Time, Money, & Effort trying to duplicate some of Don Smith's devices.
But sadly I could not get any of them to put out any Overunity whatsoever. 

                                                                                                                                .
Title: Re: Donald L Smith Device
Post by: hope-hope on November 08, 2015, 11:01:45 PM



Hi FatBird !

you are not the only one did that ! i spent thousand of hours thinking about this device .. when i said thousand of hours i mean it , one day i felt something was burn inside my brain....  ;D,  working with ordinary coils and capacitors to replicate his system is a lost of time..., the first thing must be eliminated is the lenz's law responsible for energy conservation, so you are still inside the closed system trying to get an OU energy device... this is impossible ( at least this is my opinion)

the extended Tesla Bifilar coil meet all the requirements needed to build such device but at first please read the energetic forum for more details about the encountered problems...i have problems with the resonance because the lack of material to do so ... this lead me to think about even more powerful device called the mixed E-TBC still under development but the idea is proven to be correct practically ..

 
Title: Re: Donald L Smith Device
Post by: Magluvin on November 09, 2015, 03:24:09 AM
Hi, i buld the following schematic (attachment).

I used:

-1 neon power supply CPI-10035, 10kV output at 35mA
-2 capacitors of .47uF at 16000V
-Primary coil  2.2uH (L1)
-Secondary coil, 2 of 12uH (L2)
-1 capacitor bank of 15kV at .2uf
-4 diodes to build a diode bridge

However, the circuit doesn't work. It is supposed to function when resonance in the circuit is achieved, so I believe that the values for both coils and capacitors doesn't match the neon power supply frequency, thus I would like to know  these values. Also, this Donald Smith device output delivers just enough power to turn on a 20mA LED.
It seems those 2 schematics are different in a few ways. Did you try both?

Mags
Title: Re: Donald L Smith Device
Post by: Magluvin on November 09, 2015, 03:31:53 AM
The 2 secondary coils config is something Ive wondered about.  Looking at Dons pictures of it, it seems hard to tell if the secondaries are wound opposite directions or wound in the same direction all the way across. even looking at the supposed originals of the circuit, there is a  possibility that the 2 halves of the secondary are oppositely wound.
This was a while back. But remember what I thought back then.

Mags
Title: Re: Donald L Smith Device
Post by: Void on November 09, 2015, 03:52:11 PM
However, the circuit doesn't work. It is supposed to function when resonance in the circuit is achieved, so I believe that the values for both coils and capacitors doesn't match the neon power supply frequency, thus I would like to know  these values. Also, this Donald Smith device output delivers just enough power to turn on a 20mA LED.

Hi axel700. I have spent a fair bit of time going over Don Smith's circuits and video presentations in the
past and reading through discussions of his circuits in forums, and no one has ever been able to reasonably
demonstrate a Don Smith circuit producing overunity that I have ever seen. A few people have claimed that
they have a Don Smith circuit working but they were not able to demonstrate anything at all. In the past several
years there have been a number of people who have spent a fair amount of time with Don Smith's theories
and circuits and could not produce overunity, or even see any unusual results of any kind for that matter.
It would appear that either Don Smith left out some very important details or he never actually had
an overunity circuit himself. When you ask people's advice for what you need to do to make a Don Smith circuit
work, you should understand that no one else has been able to make a Don Smith circuit work, or at least
no one has ever been willing to show their working circuit anyway, if they really have one ;)
Title: Re: Donald L Smith Device
Post by: Void on November 09, 2015, 04:14:16 PM
The 2 secondary coils config is something Ive wondered about.  Looking at Dons pictures of it, it seems hard to tell if the secondaries are wound opposite directions or wound in the same direction all the way across. even looking at the supposed originals of the circuit, there is a  possibility that the 2 halves of the secondary are oppositely wound.
This was a while back. But remember what I thought back then.
Mags

There were some pretty clear pictures of Don Smith's circuit posted a few years ago and it
seems clear to me that both secondary coils were wound in the same direction. Have a look
at the secondary winding start and end wires and the two center wires in the attached pictures,
and it should be clear that the two coils were wound in the same direction on Don's demonstration circuit.

I personally think people give much too much significance to this circuit considering Don Smith
never ever publicly demonstrated that this circuit could produce overunity. In one of Don Smith's conference
presentation videos, I recall Don Smith saying something like that he added the movable primary winding
(and he may have indicated the secondary capacitor as well) to see if he could tune it up better, but he said
something like that it didn't help with the performance. I think Don Smith did say that the circuit could produce
a lot of overunity in his tests, but the truth is Don Smith has made some claims here and there which seem to indicate
he really didn't know what he was talking about. I won't go into details as this has all been discussed in great
detail in the past in the forums, but Don did make some very questionable statements here and there. Some have suggested
that Don Smith may have become somewhat delusional in his later years, but I didn't not know him so I can't say if that were true or not.

Warning: Charging a large value capacitor to a high voltage can store enough energy in the capacitor to potentially kill a person.
People shouldn't mess around with such circuits unless you understand the dangers well and take all necessary precautions.
Title: Re: Donald L Smith Device
Post by: hope-hope on November 09, 2015, 05:14:12 PM

Hello everyone!

i think working is better than talking , i have been choosing the long way, it seem to be difficult but at least i could understanding what i am doing, the problem isn't related to CCW or CW winding but rather about what's going on inside this device... for sure he didn't gave all the details about his system! this is for sure, this is why i gave my work so people at least could understand from where the excess energy came from ??

i will add more details later.




Title: Re: Donald L Smith Device
Post by: Void on November 09, 2015, 06:09:10 PM
Hello everyone!
i think working is better than talking , i have been choosing the long way, it seem to be difficult but at least i could understanding what i am doing, the problem isn't related to CCW or CW winding but rather about what's going on inside this device... for sure he didn't gave all the details about his system! this is for sure, this is why i gave my work so people at least could understand from where the excess energy came from ??
i will add more details later.

Hi hope-hope. Myself and various other people over the years as well have actually put in many hours building and testing
variations of this and some other Don Smith circuits and could not see any overunity. This is definitely not just people talking.

If Don's circuits really produced overunity then he must have left out some very important details.
You said you have given details that explains where the excess energy is coming from. This implies that
you know how to make a Don Smith device produce overunity. Where can I see a video of your working
Don Smith device that is producing overunity? Surely to goodness you wouldn't claim that you understand
how Don Smith's device produces excess energy unless you had first proven the concept by building a working circuit?

These forums and youtube are full of people claiming to have working overunity electronic devices or claiming to know how
to produce overunity, but the vast majority actually don't have even a basic understanding of electronics or even know
how to properly make the most basic measurements. If you want to have any chance to convince anyone sane that you
know how to produce overunity and aren't just blowing hot air, in the very least you need to build and demonstrate a
working circuit. You have to understand that there is so much nonsense coming from these forums and from youtube that
any sane person just has to be very skeptical of any claims of overunity at this point. If you want to be taken at all seriously,
be prepared to demonstrate your concepts with working circuits, otherwise no one sane will be much interested. ;D
Title: Re: Donald L Smith Device
Post by: Magluvin on November 10, 2015, 05:19:46 AM
Thanks for the pic Void.  Never seen that one.  Always wondered.

Mags
Title: Re: Donald L Smith Device
Post by: hope-hope on November 10, 2015, 09:42:01 AM


Hello Void

Yes! i agree! a video demonstrate a working prototype is better, anyway i am just spreading my own ideas so maybe someone will find its way ... i am not looking for people to be interested as  this is the most easy thing to do!! 
Title: Re: Donald L Smith Device
Post by: magpwr on November 10, 2015, 04:35:37 PM
hi,

There is a replication of the Don Smith device which was posted few years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI5XWz8aZvo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI5XWz8aZvo)
Title: Re: Donald L Smith Device
Post by: Void on November 10, 2015, 06:14:50 PM
There is a replication of the Don Smith device which was posted few years ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI5XWz8aZvo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI5XWz8aZvo)

That is not a 'replication' of Don Smith's circuit as the circuit shown in that video by BlueSerge obviously
has a number of significant differences from Don Smith's circuit. You can see that components are connected
differently and BlueSerge's setup also appears to use as many or more turns on the primary than on the secondary (possibly step down).

Also, as anyone who has any experience at testing these type of circuits would be aware, it is a major mistake
to attempt to estimate the output power based on how bright you think a bulb is glowing, especially
when the bulb is being driven with a signal that contains all sorts of high voltage spikes from spark gaps.
That is very deceiving. The output power is probably a fair bit less than the input power, but measuring the
output power with any degree of accuracy on a setup like this that uses one or more sparkgaps is very difficult
to do. These are not at all easy circuits to do meaningful tests with.

I had communicated briefly with BlueSerge a few years ago shortly after he had posted his videos, and he told me that
he accidently touched a high voltage capacitor lead and got a very bad shock, and that he had stopped all his experiments
with that type of circuit because of the bad shock he got. The warning I gave previously here about high voltage capacitors
of relatively large capacitance values being dangerous is for a good reason. You have to really know what you are doing and be
super careful when working around capacitors charged to high voltages.

On another note, the rising 'trumpet' voltage waveforms shown on his scope in the video are common waveforms seen when
using a sparkgap circuit. It is no way implies anything unusual is going on.

Title: Re: Donald L Smith Device
Post by: GeoFusion on November 12, 2015, 09:40:40 PM
Hi there guyz ;)

A replication of Don Smith's Device.
 Used a schematic of Cloud (chinese) which has a video on youtube, will link it down in this post.


This is my attempt on replicating only the First half of the device with extraordinary results :).
 Must be tested and experimented on, Whom is ready to do this one , pls be safe , this one can kill,
those HV Discharging caps and Spark gap is no joke.

>>>              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-El9ObHCF0




This is Cloud's original video with working device showing a equiv. of 660 watt loading at the end.

>>>             https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfMtQYYkZto

Cheerz~
Title: Re: Donald L Smith Device
Post by: FatBird on November 13, 2015, 03:06:43 PM
Absolutely AMAZING that he can get so much action from just shorting out adjacent turns!
That Don Smith replication has to be putting out a LOT of juice to do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfMtQYYkZto (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfMtQYYkZto)

                                                                                                                                  .
Title: Re: Donald L Smith Device
Post by: FatBird on November 13, 2015, 08:10:35 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                          .
Title: Re: Donald L Smith Device
Post by: Void on November 13, 2015, 08:54:47 PM
Absolutely AMAZING that he can get so much action from just shorting out adjacent turns!
That Don Smith replication has to be putting out a LOT of juice to do that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfMtQYYkZto (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfMtQYYkZto)

No, that is normal as well for that type of circuit arrangement.
All you have to do is hook up an NST through a sparkgap arrangement to a secondary coil with not too many turns and
you will see that kind of arcing between windings. If you don't have too many turns on the secondary, then
there is a large voltage difference between each turn on the secondary coil, hence the arcing between turns.
All the best...

Title: Re: Donald L Smith Device
Post by: AlienGrey on October 25, 2018, 03:25:14 PM
The 2 secondary coils config is something Ive wondered about.  Looking at Dons pictures of it, it seems hard to tell if the secondaries are wound opposite directions or wound in the same direction all the way across. even looking at the supposed originals of the circuit, there is a  possibility that the 2 halves of the secondary are oppositely wound.
This was a while back. But remember what I thought back then.

Mags
Thats interesting Where did you see that? As Don shows in one of his videos a commercial device where he comments on how its made or altered
he has a long wound coil he counts 4 Turns then removes 2 0r 3 turns then counts another 12 turns and another gap with removed  or 3 turns and then
another 12 turns is counted end of coil modification, I see no way the one 12 turn coil is reversed in his device. However, if winding your own coil then anything goes as long as you keep the phase the correct orientation.  ;D ;D

One thing though the GDT shown by one builder is not suitable at all (it's a regulator, not a spark gap it won't be of any use here that's for sure if indeedy deedy the device actually works, experiment yourself don't just sit speculating.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Donald L Smith Device
Post by: AlienGrey on October 27, 2018, 03:52:31 PM
This is going back a good way but still!  There are a lot of deliberate mistakes in it and as is I can't see anything happening if made up!

What cap value are you charging up doing into the first coil Coil  0.47 at 160,000 WTF no way you're after a spike, not pure DC and whats a neon regulator doing in the circuit? unless the gas has been let out and the electrodes ore
adjustable get a real spark gap. Oh and get a scope and tune it with an EHT loop.
 And if i were you I would use some bleeders across the caps before you kill your self with possibly some high luminosity low current LEDs so you can see it's on and generating high voltage don't forget some reverse voltage diodes as well.